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    Post  LMFS Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:19 am

    Isos wrote:And you reload them in the air maybe ?

    War in Syria is not an arcade videogame, probably you will spend hours and hours of flight to detect some movement and many times it will be nothing. These guys are not willing to be killed and are very aware they are under surveillance, so they will be extremely cautious.

    Now there isn't that many targets out there.

    Of course, that is what we say. The war had a hot phase where the VKS could really be used effectively but now is largely frozen and you need much more presence of lower capacity assets. You need means that allow for low budget constant monitoring and to produce constant attrition on the terrorists until they are defeated.

    miketheterrible wrote:Relying on them is stupid. Using them isn't though and they make for easy recon and a quick strike when needed. But in the end, it isn't smart to rely on them.

    It is not about decommissioning the Su-34 because you have the Orion, but using 45 t supersonic tactical bombers with 8 t payload to hunt for the odd bearded goatfucker in the desert is absurd. Those are designed to beat the shit out of NATO proper, not for COIN.

    GarryB wrote:The fact of the matter is that these drones don't replace anything... because of the altitude they operate you could load them up with guided 20kg bombs that home in on laser target marking beams... the drone itself can mark its own targets... the point is that instead of dropping 250kg or 500kg bombs a drone is eyes in the sky all the tiime so it will likely see rather more targets and often being able to hit those targets fast is critical, but sometimes it isn't.

    A 5kg or 10kg or 20kg bomb could be carried for use if needed urgently but if not urgent then other platforms could be called in to engage.

    For instance a drone detects a huge group of ISIS approaching a Russian or Syrian base... well keep watching them with the drone, warn the base and launch attack helicopters and Su-25s with lots of rocket pods, and get the local artillery ready to hammer them and watch the results with the drone that spotted it in the first place.

    Conversely the drone might spot an enemy mortar or rocket launcher being set up... drop a small bomb on them and kill the crew and set off the ammo truck and send troops to recover the weapon so they can't use it again.

    Exactly, they are a new tool, much better adapted to the task at hand. Russia can keep operating them forever without wasting the resource of valuable tactical bombers, for ridiculously low money and covering the theater permanently.

    As to the weapons, they could use also those new laser guided rockets. Highly scattered light infantry needs precision rather than big warheads.

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    Post  Hole Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:46 pm

    In Syria russia jets carried 2 or 4 bombs most of the time. A drone like Orion is more cost effective. They can locate targets for artillery and guide shells and keep their own ammunition until a important target pops up.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:02 am

    As to the weapons, they could use also those new laser guided rockets. Highly scattered light infantry needs precision rather than big warheads.

    Large numbers of enemy infantry spread out on open country is a grad target... precision weapons are for individual targets but a large force of hundreds of enemy troops would mean hundreds for more expensive guided small weapons.

    Grad. And of course landmines... Very Happy

    And rocket attack from helicopters and Su-25s to coat the area lightly in shrapnel...

    Then the drone can watch the escape paths and you can shell those with artillery and cannon fire...

    In Syria russia jets carried 2 or 4 bombs most of the time. A drone like Orion is more cost effective. They can locate targets for artillery and guide shells and keep their own ammunition until a important target pops up.

    But they are already using drones and satellites and people on the ground... the jets like Su-24s and Su-34s and Su-30s will attack a target that has been carefully selected and identified... like an HQ or ammo dump or whatever.

    Other drones will operate within range of gun artillery and will look for enemy forces like enemy positions or light trucks with weapons on the back.

    Obviously such attacks are limited by the range of the artillery which is about 20-25km for the 152mm rounds at the moment.

    Having drones with 5kg and 10kg and 20kg and even 50kg bombs means they might only be able to hit 4-5 targets, but they can be much deeper in enemy territory and thus higher up the food chain and possibly also less aware of the danger they are in.

    A few Koalition vehicles with 70km range guided rounds will be interesting, but those 180km range rounds even more so... as it will mean the drones don't need to carry as much dead weight but still get the job done of finding targets and having them destroyed quickly.

    These new drones means more comprehensive and longer duration observation of the enemy and more likely to get the sneaky ones that have evaded their bombs so far because of the delay in calling up a bomber.
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