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    Post  kvs Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:56 pm

    Arrow wrote:https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/12/trident-nuclear-warhead-numbers-set-to-increase-for-first-time-since-cold-war?__twitter_impression=true

    Start extended now UK increases strategic arsenal.

    The UK will never be able to keep up. America has made exiting from important arms treaties (ABM, INF) fashionable. If UK-tards push
    too hard they will be swamped with superior Russian ICBMs and warheads.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:13 am

    With new breeder reactors coming online I rather suspect producing nuclear weapons grade material should be quite trivial and relatively cheap... in fact they could probably sell some to the Chinese if China sees the UK producing nuclear missiles and wants to boost its own capacity to defend itself.

    Funny thing that the UK can't afford new tanks or fighter planes but they want nukes... suggests they are going to take a more hands off approach to the world with less interventions with the US because they simply wont have the conventional military capacity to do very much.

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    Post  LMFS Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:45 pm

    They are simply soiling their pants about the current and growing Russian conventional capabilities and think more nukes are going to help them preserve their privileges. Apart from their world beating hypocrisy of waiting for the ratifying of START to announce this, and doing it while blabbering about Iran's nuclear threat, it is very doubtful that such measures are going to prevent them from being put in their place in the medium term. More nukes will just be of use if they are ready to be annihilated as a country, I would say.

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    Post  Sujoy Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:36 pm

    GarryB wrote:With new breeder reactors coming online I rather suspect producing nuclear weapons grade material should be quite trivial and relatively cheap... in fact they could probably sell some to the Chinese if China sees the UK producing nuclear missiles and wants to boost its own capacity to defend itself.

    Funny thing that the UK can't afford new tanks or fighter planes but they want nukes... suggests they are going to take a more hands off approach to the world with less interventions with the US because they simply wont have the conventional military capacity to do very much.
    UK to increase nuclear stockpile from 180 to no more than 260 warheads. The implication is larger stockpile is to have capacity so that Trident can be counter to both Russian short-range systems for use on European battlefield as well as longer-range missiles that threaten homelands. Details in the Twitter thread below.

    https://twitter.com/LawDavF/status/1371837330378661893?s=20
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    Post  kvs Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:09 pm

    Sujoy wrote:
    GarryB wrote:With new breeder reactors coming online I rather suspect producing nuclear weapons grade material should be quite trivial and relatively cheap... in fact they could probably sell some to the Chinese if China sees the UK producing nuclear missiles and wants to boost its own capacity to defend itself.

    Funny thing that the UK can't afford new tanks or fighter planes but they want nukes... suggests they are going to take a more hands off approach to the world with less interventions with the US because they simply wont have the conventional military capacity to do very much.
    UK to increase nuclear stockpile from 180 to no more than 260 warheads. The implication is larger stockpile is to have capacity so that Trident can be counter to both Russian short-range systems for use on European battlefield as well as longer-range missiles that threaten homelands. Details in the Twitter thread below.

    https://twitter.com/LawDavF/status/1371837330378661893?s=20

    The UK is actively sabotaging START. Whether it understands this or not.

    A collection of chutzpah monkeys who think that reality bends to their will.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:51 am

    Hahahahahahaha... brilliant.... those Brits are morons... worse they are dangerous morons...

    If they think adding extra tridents so they can use them as tactical nuclear missiles to support the Baltic states or Poland or the Ukraine all ganging up to take Kaliningrad or some such nonsense do they not realise that the Russians tracking those trident subs seeing a trident missile launch will think WWIII just kicked off and reply in kind against the UK and US and the rest of HATO.

    The US are the same... they think the Russians have developed so low yield nuke weapons that the west thinks the Russians think they can get away with using in a conventional war without escalating to a nuke war... so the US want low yield nukes on their SLBMs so they can use them early on too... the problem is that the entire basis of the entire scenario is bullshit... some arsehole made it all up.... there is no evidence at all that the Russians are making low yield nuclear weapons they can use in a conventional conflict... that is rubbish.... but when highly likely is good enough to impose sanctions and start new weapon programmes... wonder where we are headed....

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    Post  LMFS Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:08 am

    That is what the "escalate to de-escalate" BS, "Gerasimov doctrine" crap and similar Western retardation says. But of course, it is all an intelligence insulting cover up for the nuclear blackmailing the West is planning to implement in case they lose (hint: they have already lost it) the conventional armaments race and someone decides it is time to put an end to their global dictatorship. The world is either theirs or it won't be, that is how their "brains" work.

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    Post  lyle6 Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:18 am

    Perfidious Albion strikes again. This time trying to hitch a carnival ride they clearly aren't tall enough, so they scramble for platform shoes, only its made up of hand grenades. These fuckers really are going to risk WW3 just because they can't afford an effective arsenal of conventional warhead delivery systems to saber rattle with aren't they? Listen up dickheads, I don't care if you have have to sell the NHS or whore the queen out but at least have the decency of not ending the world while you're out there having a pissing contest with the Russians, eh?

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:54 am


    Relax folks

    START got 5 year extension after which new negotiations will be required which will be the moment when those French and British nukes should be introduced to new deal or the whole thing is a wash and Russia can start cranking up some fresh nukes in peace

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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Mar 18, 2021 6:01 am

    It will take them decades to increase nuke arsenal (Brits).
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    Post  LMFS Fri Mar 19, 2021 12:20 am

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    Post  lancelot Fri Mar 19, 2021 12:55 am

    GarryB wrote:With new breeder reactors coming online I rather suspect producing nuclear weapons grade material should be quite trivial and relatively cheap... in fact they could probably sell some to the Chinese if China sees the UK producing nuclear missiles and wants to boost its own capacity to defend itself.

    Funny thing that the UK can't afford new tanks or fighter planes but they want nukes... suggests they are going to take a more hands off approach to the world with less interventions with the US because they simply wont have the conventional military capacity to do very much.

    China should be able to make the enriched uranium and plutonium themselves.

    They have a lot of enrichment capacity, more than Uncle Sham which imports enriched uranium from Russia.

    China also has recently put into operation a small test breeder reactor (20 MWe) made with Russian help.
    At the same time they are building not one, but two CFR-600 breeder reactors (600 MWe).
    https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/China-starts-building-second-CFR-600-fast-reactor
    https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/NN-China-begins-building-pilot-fast-reactor-2912174.html
    https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Chinese-fast-reactor-begins-high-power-operation

    China is also making huge plutonium separation facilities. Supposedly to make MOX fuel to burn in their reactors.
    How easy those facilities would be converted to making plutonium for nuclear weapons is anyone's guess.

    As for the UK many years back they had to upgrade their Trident missile warheads which were near expiration date. Back then France proposed to the UK that they have a joint nuclear weapons program. The British refused the French offer because they claimed Uncle Sham's Trident was much superior to the French SLBM available then which was the M4. The French shared that they were developing the M5 but the British scoffed at them. Now in 2021 the French have a version of the M51 which does everything the M5 was supposed to do and more. The French have a deterrent fully independent from the USA, they have their own uranium separation facilities, their own plutonium separation facilities everything. UK will purchase everything from Uncle Sham at vastly inflated prices. Now they pile on their stupid decision and want to increase their warheads. Stupid waste of money.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:57 am

    China should be able to make the enriched uranium and plutonium themselves.

    They have a lot of enrichment capacity, more than Uncle Sham which imports enriched uranium from Russia.

    Of course China is perfectly capable of dealing with the problems of increasing its nuclear weapon capacity, but producing weapons grade material is not normally quick nor cheap so when the UK declares that it is boosting its weapon numbers then being able to respond quickly would be useful... Russia has excellent nuclear technology and can assist China by producing nuclear weapons material efficiently and relatively cheaply so they don't have to waste a lot of money doing the same.

    China could certainly solve the problem herself but they might find it quicker and easier to buy some material ready to go and just make their own at a relatively low rate so the purchased material boosts their stocks and their production rates allows them to maintain and gradually grow their stocks in a sustainable and affordable way.

    As for the UK many years back they had to upgrade their Trident missile warheads which were near expiration date.

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