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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:11 am

    Agree 100%... the powerful in Russia couldn't be billionaires and that is why they destroyed the system... they were powerful in their own country but that didn't translate to being powerful or rich when on holiday.

    The way they then butchered up the assets in all the former Soviet states making people like Bill Browder rich by stealing the pensions of factory workers when they asset stripped anything that worked and then sold it on for billions of dollars... and the workers got fired... of course the equipment and factories were obsolete and useless they said... it is amazing how many billions of dollars you can make selling of scrap metal... it must have been damn high quality scrap metal...

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    Post  kvs on Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:50 am

    GarryB wrote:Agree 100%... the powerful in Russia couldn't be billionaires and that is why they destroyed the system... they were powerful in their own country but that didn't translate to being powerful or rich when on holiday.

    The way they then butchered up the assets in all the former Soviet states making people like Bill Browder rich by stealing the pensions of factory workers when they asset stripped anything that worked and then sold it on for billions of dollars... and the workers got fired... of course the equipment and factories were obsolete and useless they said... it is amazing how many billions of dollars you can make selling of scrap metal... it must have been damn high quality scrap metal...

    Capitalism of the western variety is a scam. I recall all the bleating about grey Soviet facades as if all the apartment blocks were bleak and depressing and
    needed to be torn down. After the transition to the brave new world of oligarch parasites this "bad" Soviet housing became prime real estate. There was
    even a recent stink in Moscow because the crappy Khrushovka apartments were being retired in spite of full compensation for the tenants (better flats
    in new buildings, etc.). There is a reason the liberast stooges of the west in Russia rabidly deny that the 1990s were a horror for Russians. The true
    face of capitalism was exposed.

    Another example of the cheap propaganda spewed at Russia and Russians (and everyone else) was the supposed "obsolete" steel industry in Russia. This was
    yet another scam to privatize it for a pittance so some parasites could make more billions. It turns out that this industry was not so useless and today
    is one of the important contributors to Russia's economy. Not all of the Yeltsin comprador schemes to give away the Russian economy to the magic
    oligarch parasites worked out. Thanks to Primakov and Putin. It is some sort of miracle that Yeltsin didn't succeed. It is easier to destroy than to
    create.

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    Post  Hole on Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:46 am

    The oligarchs in the west wanted some chaos but in the end Jelzin was to successful. There was to much chaos and the western companies were afraid of buying russian companies. That´s why the west loved Putin in the beginning. As soon as they realised that he didn´t implement order for them but for the russian people he was called a autocrat/dictator.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jul 12, 2020 7:29 am

    I remember in the 90s one of the biggest western fears was actually Japan... before WWII Japan had an excellent aero industry with some very capable planes let down mainly for lack of engine power... the western fear was that the big powerful Japanese companies might take advantage of the power vacuum in Russia and use their design skills together with Japans excellence in electronics and become a real aerospace power using Soviet rockets and aircraft design and metalurgy and skills with Japanese tooling and electronics and design.

    But they forgot Japan is a good little sheep like the UK and Germany and to a lessor extent France and it will do as it is told and hate Russia too.

    Imagine Americas position if the EU actually made friends with Russia and combined economic and military potential... they were worried about Japan doing it...

    Shows how fragile the American hold on power really is... it is not about Nukes or Abrams tanks... without their gang.... HATO... they are not so tough...
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    Post  calripson on Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:36 am

    GarryB wrote:I remember in the 90s one of the biggest western fears was actually Japan... before WWII Japan had an excellent aero industry with some very capable planes let down mainly for lack of engine power... the western fear was that the big powerful Japanese companies might take advantage of the power vacuum in Russia and use their design skills together with Japans excellence in electronics and become a real aerospace power using Soviet rockets and aircraft design and metalurgy and skills with Japanese tooling and electronics and design.

    But they forgot Japan is a good little sheep like the UK and Germany and to a lessor extent France and it will do as it is told and hate Russia too.

    Imagine Americas position if the EU actually made friends with Russia and combined economic and military potential... they were worried about Japan doing it...

    Shows how fragile the American hold on power really is... it is not about Nukes or Abrams tanks... without their gang.... HATO... they are not so tough...

    Global power rests in the world financial system - centered in London by the way - not in "America". America is simply the vessel used.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:09 pm

    I don't think europe is going to continue to use London as a financial centre... things might be about to take a serious change... and decentralisation is often a good thing anyway.

    I am not so sure the US is the vessel... when commands come from the US everyone in HATO seems to jump... even when they say jump off this cliff...

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