Ergo, what would be interesting to find out is why did Russia carry out a A-SAT test now? Maybe a new missile is being tested, keeping FOBS in mind perhaps.
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Ergo, what would be interesting to find out is why did Russia carry out a A-SAT test now? Maybe a new missile is being tested, keeping FOBS in mind perhaps.
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It was dumb and dangerous.
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Earlier in the day, the Russian Defence Ministry said that Russia has successfully conducted a test on 15 November, hitting an inoperative Russian satellite, Tselina-D.
Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu confirmed that Russia had successfully tested an anti-satellite system.
“We have really successfully tested a promising system. It has hit an old satellite precisely,” Shoigu said, answering journalists' questions during a working trip to the troops of the Western Military District in the Voronezh region.
The fragments of the old satellite, which formed during the testing of the anti-satellite system, do not pose any threat to space activities, Sergei Shoigu added.
Earlier in the day, the Russian Ministry of Defence said that the United States has been well aware that the fragments of the downed satellite pose no threat to the ISS or other space assets, given the test's timing and orbital parameters.
The fragments have been immediately added to the main catalogue of the Russian space control system and will be tracked until they cease to exist, the ministry added.
https://sputniknews.com/20211116/russias-defence-minister-confirms-russia-succesfully-tested-anti-satellite-system-1090775040.html
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dino00 wrote:Probably just the final test of Nudol.
It was dumb and dangerous.
No. NATzO is run by retards who need primitive signaling. I recall all the marveling at a similar test conducted by China about a decade ago.
As if Russia had no such ability.
The reaction from Washington proves that this test was right on target.
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Possible. That aside, S-500 and probably S-550 both have A-SAT capability. So maybe one of the missile from these missile complex was test fired.dino00 wrote:Probably just the final test of Nudol.
Like I said before, Russia probably tested an A-SAT keeping enemy FOBS or space plane like X-37 in mind.
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It also means if any US test goes wrong and debris does become a problem then they can say they had to do it because the Russians/Chinese/Iranians/North Koreans are doing it and the US can't be behind in technology.
What they ignore is that Russia was happy to sign agreements banning weapons in space and the US refused and are working on their own systems.
The fact that they are working on their own systems means at some stage they are going to have to test them so by going apeshit over Russian tests they can then explain their own actions by saying they did it first... which of course they didn't... the US has been pollution earth orbit for quite some time. same with the atmosphere and water...
Part of being able to use anti satellite weapons is also to make sure the target you destroy does not damage critical satellites of your own and the added number of objects will be tracked to give warnings to satellite that can be moved to avoid interactions in orbit.
Would be interesting to see if they could launch something that cleaned up some of the debris or reduced the fragments further to make them less dangerous...
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What I've found on the Tselina satellites indicates that the target altitude was likely quite a bit higher. The satellite's orbit would have decayed some since it ceased to function, but if TASS ( https://tass.com/science/1362325 ) is correct, not that much and the intercept happened somewhere around 450-460km in altitude. The Russians may be right in that they prepared the intercept so that the ISS and satellites aren't threatened. But that debris could be up there for many years, rendering potential orbits unusable for further development - economic or military. These kinds of tests do have an impact.
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I realize I have been talking about the technical aspect of this test, however there probably is also a political message embedded. Maybe Kremlin is sending out a message to the U.S that A-SAT is a serious matter and the U.S should re consider its decision to pull out from treaties that ban such tests.GarryB wrote:What they ignore is that Russia was happy to sign agreements banning weapons in space and the US refused and are working on their own systems.
How will Russia clean up the debris?GarryB wrote:Would be interesting to see if they could launch something that cleaned up some of the debris or reduced the fragments further to make them less dangerous...
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The Russians track an enormous number of objects in orbit from the size of a bus down to paint chip size... this just creates some more.
Part of the issue is ignorance.
If you have something in orbit and you put a bomb on board and set off that bomb and explode it into a million pieces those pieces are not going to scatter over thousands of square kilometres destroying everything in their path.
Assuming a spherical explosion the stuff blown up and blown down wont stay up or down because it is moving at the same horizontal speed it was moving before so it will all return to its original orbital position roughly because that is the orbital height of something moving that fast.
Things blown forwards in the orbit or backwards in the orbit will be sped up or slowed down which means they will settle in a slightly higher and slightly lower orbital location so in terms of collision risk the final mass will be spread out at bit but the area of safety around an object in orbit where other things can safely be placed on different orbits wont change a whole lot.
It is like going to a rubbish dump and throwing a glass bottle onto a pile... if it breaks then the area of danger of broken glass is bigger than the area the original bottle occupied but either way you don't go walking in bare feet there in either case.
Americans are whiny bitches and will not want agreements or limitations on their ability to exploit new technologies... when they have or think they have the advantage like murder bot drone or access or control of space.
How will Russia clean up the debris?
They are developing a nuclear powered space tug which could be useful for operating in orbit collecting up no longer functioning satellites and space junk... the valuable stuff it could capture and deliver to say their space station for being returned to earth, but debris and junk could also be collected and used as propulsion material or just fired back into the atmosphere to burn up on reentry.
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over time. The lower end of LEO has enough "atmospheric" drag that things deorbit over time.
The yanquis want to weaponize LEO and I expect them to try to use some "environmentalism" fig leaf. They will bleat about
the need to keep LEO clean. The same old shtick as we see in the Arctic. The evil of the west is always wrapped in the
pretense of good.
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Hole wrote:The orbit of the american satellite was lowered because the ASAT system used can´t hit anything that flies higher.
The US tested their ship-based ASAT direct-attack on satellite that failed, was stuck in LEO, and whose tanks were still full of hydrazine. They justified the shoot-down as an "environmental protection" act (to stop this "poisonous cargo" from landing on the heads of newborn babies & innocent school children...) , and the corrupt MSM boosted this claim, cuz the Murkans are so good and honest and clean and couldn't possibly be fucking lying about their true insidious motives...
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The U.S is now developing a new space weapon in the guise of saving humanity. They are planning to change the course of an asteroid. In this way they will get to hit their adversary with a weapon 100x more powerful than a thermonuclear bomb and then pretend it was just a natural disaster. So no one can blame the U.S for the attack.GarryB wrote:Americans are whiny bitches and will not want agreements or limitations on their ability to exploit new technologies... when they have or think they have the advantage like murder bot drone or access or control of space.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFHce6TXVTQ
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Sujoy wrote:The U.S is now developing a new space weapon in the guise of saving humanity. They are planning to change the course of an asteroid. In this way they will get to hit their adversary with a weapon 100x more powerful than a thermonuclear bomb and then pretend it was just a natural disaster. So no one can blame the U.S for the attack.GarryB wrote:Americans are whiny bitches and will not want agreements or limitations on their ability to exploit new technologies... when they have or think they have the advantage like murder bot drone or access or control of space.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFHce6TXVTQ
The Russian developments in nuclear spacecraft would afford them a great advantage in this field, it would be foolish of the pindos to try such a thing.
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Without knowing the exact mass or balance of the object they are using as a weapon it could just as easily come in late and land on Europe instead...
Look at the wildly variable speculations about where satellites that are going to reenter and indeed where Mir would reenter... the closest they could get in terms of accuracy was "somewhere in the south west pacific ocean"...
With such a level of inaccuracy the object could just as easily land in the arctic ocean and flood norway and iceland, or land on India or Asia or Europe for that matter.
I believe Musk described AI as summoning a demon... I would say that accurately describes trying to control the weather or space impacts.
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But if the US does not want to ban such things then we are going to have to learn to deal with the consequences of both these sorts of things being tested, but also being used for real...
The tracking capacity of Russia is excellent, so their ability to track the residue is not really in question and many Russian satellites had eliptical orbits so close approaches to the atmosphere and of course the variable nature of the extent of the atmosphere means material will degrade and be destroyed in reentry... but nothing will be perfectly cleaned up until they start taking the issue of space clutter seriously...
There are some very large objects that were parked in very high orbits like nuclear reactors that will need to be dealt with at some stage and quite a bit of material is in one piece which makes it much easier to deal with... cover it in explosive charges or take it to pieces in place and then accelerate those pieces in a very steep dive towards earth will burn up most materials easily enough but some materials might need to be launched somewhere else, or returned to earth for destruction or reprocessing.
Some reactor cores could probably be reprocessed and reused and materials recovered, but then anything not stable they could launch towards the sun for instance...
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MOSCOW, April 7 - RIA Novosti. Russia continues to work on the creation of anti-satellite warfare systems - the MiG-31D fighter-interceptor with an anti-satellite missile and an aircraft with a combat laser based on the Il-76, follows from the publication of the Military Thought magazine published by the Ministry of Defense .
"Examples of Russian anti-satellite warfare systems being created on a relocated and mobile base are: the Kontakt anti-space defense complex based on the MiG-31 heavy fighter-interceptor; the A60 Sokol-Echelon combat laser system based on the Il-76 transport aircraft; combat laser system "Peresvet", - specified in the material.
The last time officially on the ongoing work on the creation of an air-based anti-satellite missile system was in the open press in 2009. Then the Commander-in-Chief of the Air Force announced that "the system is being revived" to solve the tasks of anti-satellite defense. In 2018, photographs of a carrier aircraft based on the MiG-31 with an unknown black missile under the fuselage, taken by a spotter in the Moscow region , circulated on the Internet. The projectile in several specialized publications was regarded as a model of anti-satellite ammunition.
According to open sources, the development of a new aircraft-based complex designed to destroy low-orbit spacecraft is based on the existing extensive scientific and technical reserve and newly developed technologies. Work on a similar system based on the MiG-31D carrier aircraft and the 79M6 Kontakt missile was carried out in Soviet times since 1984.
The A-60 laser weapon carrier aircraft based on the Il-76MD transport aircraft also began to be created in the USSR , the A-60 flying laboratory made its first flight in 1981. According to open sources, the plane was supposed to carry a megawatt combat laser on board to destroy low-flying satellites.
In 2016, Yuri Borisov, then Deputy Minister of Defense of Russia , said that the development of the A-60 complex was moving forward. The last time the project of the so-called laser aircraft was officially mentioned was in 2020 - then TNTK im. Berieva issued a patent for the developed carrier aircraft of the combat laser system. This includes information about a computer model of an aircraft based on the military transport Il-76MD-90A.
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Mobility.What's the point of the il-76 ?
In the current form the laser is there to jam or disable all sorts of optical recon systems - in space, in the air, on the ground and at sea.
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