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    MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News #2

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    Post  LMFS Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:49 pm

    Serial MiG-35S fighters delivered to the troops

    According to the newspaper "Krasnaya Zvezda", the planes were delivered ahead of schedule

    MOSCOW, March 12. /TASS/. Multi-purpose MiG-35S fighters were delivered to the troops as part of the state defense order. Such data are provided by the Russian defense Ministry on Friday in the newspaper "Red star".

    "MiG-35S have been delivered to the troops," the infographic says.

    According to the newspaper, the planes were delivered ahead of schedule.

    The contract for the supply of six MiG-35S until 2023 was signed by Russian Deputy defense Minister Alexey Krivoruchko and head of the United aircraft Corporation Yuri Slyusar on August 22, 2018 at the Army-2018 forum in Kubinka, Moscow region.

    The MiG-35 is the latest multirole fighter of the 4++ generation, which is a further development of the MiG-29K/KUB and MiG-29M/M2 aircraft. The beginning of flight tests and the international presentation of the machine took place in January 2017, in December of the same year, its factory tests were completed. The fighter is designed to operate in areas of high-intensity armed conflicts in conditions of a saturated and layered enemy air defense system.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/10890365

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    Post  Isos Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:39 pm

    Only 6 in 3 years ? That's very low.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:51 pm

    Isos wrote:Only 6 in 3 years ? That's very low.

    They don't plan on actually using them, they are just keeping the brand alive
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    Post  franco Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:13 pm

    Read they are planning on buying enough to replace the aging Mig-29's on the Knights aerobatic flying team.
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    Post  Scorpius Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:34 pm

    Isos wrote:Only 6 in 3 years ? That's very low.
    These aircraft are still at the stage of state tests. And there are already about a dozen of them in Russia. The main purchases are still to come, a quote from 2017 from the Commander of the Russian Aerospace Forces, Viktor Bondarev: "At the end of the state tests, the Russian Aerospace Forces plan to purchase the first batch of MiG-35s in the amount of 30 vehicles. In total, about 170 aircraft will be purchased to completely replace the VKS light combat aircraft fleet"

    Add to this a couple of hundred Mig-29s from foreign operators, which will definitely require replacement for the MiG-35. So in the next 15-20 years, we can expect deliveries of 200-250 MiG-35s under various contracts.

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    Post  Kiko Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:44 pm

    "There are more opportunities": how the replenishment of troops with MiG-35S fighters will strengthen the defense capability of Russia
    13 March 2021, 08:01Irina Taran, Elizaveta Komarova

    The newest multifunctional MiG-35S fighters were delivered to the Russian troops as part of the state defense order. This is reported by the newspaper of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation "Krasnaya Zvezda". The MiG-35 is a 4 ++ generation fighter, an upgraded version of the MiG-29. The designers have increased its combat effectiveness, versatility and operational characteristics. At the same time, the cost of a flight hour of the MiG-35 aircraft has been reduced 2.5 times compared to the operating costs of its predecessor. The newest fighter is capable of striking high-precision weapons against ground and surface targets without entering the air defense zone day and night, in any weather conditions. According to experts, the most important quality of the MiG-35 is its versatility, which expands the range of possible applications for the Russian fighter.

    New multifunctional fighters MiG-35S were delivered to the Russian troops as part of the state defense order. This is reported in the infographics published in the newspaper of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation "Krasnaya Zvezda".

    Recall that the presentation of the car took place in January 2017 in the presence of Russian President Vladimir Putin. In July of the same year, the aircraft was presented at the International Aviation and Space Salon in Zhukovsky (MAKS), and a month later, in August 2017, at the Army forum.

    The contract for the supply of six MiG-35s until 2023 was signed by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and the MiG company at the Army-2018 forum in Kubinka near Moscow. According to the agreement, the military department will receive aircraft in single and double (combat training) modifications "S" and "UB".

    As the general director of the Russian aircraft-building corporation "MiG" Ilya Tarasenko said in an interview with RIA Novosti, it is planned that the newest MiG-35 will replace the MiG-29 fighters, which the Russian Ministry of Defense received back in the late 1980s and early 1990s.

    "Based on new generation technologies"

    The MiG-35 is the newest 4 ++ generation multipurpose fighter, an upgraded version of the MiG-29 light front-line aircraft. According to the designers, the new vehicle has an increased fuel and combat load capacity, which has significantly increased its efficiency and versatility.

    Significant differences between the MiG-35 and other aircraft of the MiG-29 family are increased combat survivability, the possibility of using promising aircraft weapons of Russian and foreign production, as well as the integration of fifth-generation information and sighting systems into the avionics.

    According to the manufacturer, the main tasks set for the MiG-35 are to gain air supremacy in confrontation with fourth and fifth generation fighters, intercept air attack weapons, deliver precision weapons strikes against ground and surface targets without entering the air defense zone day and night. , in all weather conditions.

    In addition, the MiG-35 fighter is capable of conducting aerial reconnaissance using optoelectronic and radio equipment. It can also be part of an aviation group, in particular, to implement the functions of its air command post.

    "The aircraft is capable of performing complex missions in a continuously changing operational and tactical situation over the battlefield, which is one of the main requirements for fifth-generation aviation systems," the Russian Defense Ministry notes.

    According to the developers, the upgraded version of the MiG-29 has significantly improved operational characteristics: the reliability of the aircraft, its engine and avionics has been significantly increased. In addition, the developers have increased the service life of the fighter and the engine overhaul life.

    At the same time, the cost of a flight hour of the MiG-35 has decreased 2.5 times compared to the MiG-29.

    According to the developers, the onboard radio-electronic equipment of the MiG-35 was created “on the basis of new generation technologies”. We are talking about a multifunctional radar with an active phased antenna array, as well as an optical location station with infrared, television and laser sighting equipment.

    “The MiG-35 is equipped with the latest airborne defense system, which includes electronic reconnaissance, radio countermeasures, optoelectronic systems for detecting attacking missiles and laser irradiation, automatic launching of false targets in the radar and infrared ranges. This system makes it possible to effectively ensure the survivability of the aircraft under the conditions of the intensive influence of the enemy's air defense, ”the Russian defense ministry said in a statement.

    According to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the modern airborne radar on the MiG-35 gives the pilot the ability to "detect and track from ten to 30 air targets at a distance of up to 160 km, while simultaneously engaging up to six air and four ground targets".

    The maximum take-off weight of the fighter is 24.5 tons, the maximum speed is 2100 km / h, and the service ceiling (stable flight in a horizontal position) is 16 km.

    "Approaching the fifth generation"

    As the executive director of the Aviaport agency, Oleg Panteleev, said in a commentary to RT, the most important property of the MiG-35 is "the possibility of its widespread combat use".

    “Having received this aircraft, the Russian Aerospace Forces can not only solve the tasks typical of the MiG-29 to destroy air targets, but also attack ground and surface targets through the use of high-precision guided weapons without entering the air defense zone. And this significantly expands the range of possible options for using the MiG-35, ”he said.

    In addition, all types of guided and unguided missiles are available for the newest fighter, Panteleev noted.

    “Including long-range anti-ship and anti-radar missiles capable of hitting targets at a distance of more than 200 km. This is partly facilitated by the use of a new generation multifunctional radar station, which has received an increased range, due to which it is possible to detect and identify, as well as track a larger number of targets at a greater distance, ”the expert explained.

    Popov also noted that the update of the MiG-35 affected the power plant and engines with a modular design, which are now distinguished by increased reliability.

    “While retaining its recognizable appearance, the aircraft has indeed acquired new capabilities of the 4 ++ generation, in a number of parameters it is approaching the fifth generation. And all this against the background, which is important, the reduced cost of operation, which is achieved by increasing the reliability and resource of the unit, "- explained the analyst.

    In turn, Honored Pilot of the Russian Federation, Major General Vladimir Popov, in an interview with RT, said that the newest fighter has more suspension points for weapons than the MiG-29.

    “In addition, in addition to air-to-air missiles, the MiG-35 now has adjustable bombs ,” Popov said.

    Composite materials are widely used in the design of the airframe and wings of the MiG-35, the expert added.

    “There was no such diversity in the MiG-29. The new fighter was made using carbon and fiberglass. Due to this, the aircraft has become lighter than its predecessor and can now take more fuel on board or additional weapons. In this sense, the combat potential of the MiG-35 significantly exceeds the capabilities of a number of other light fighters, ”the expert said.

    In addition, the MiG-35 has improved maneuverability, Popov said.

    “If the plane is lighter, then it has more possibilities. At the same time, it can also implement a number of those tasks that heavy fighters perform, ”the analyst emphasized.

    Assessing the export chances of the domestic multi-role fighter, Popov said that India would most likely become one of the most likely buyers of Russian aircraft. Earlier, the MiG-35 was announced as part of a tender for the supply of more than 100 aircraft to the Indian Ministry of Defense.

    “India already has a lot of Russian equipment. They don't need to change ground infrastructure. For the MiG-35, both tankers and other equipment, including radar, adapted to Russian standards, are suitable. It is more profitable and easier for the Indian side to continue using Russian fighters than to acquire equipment from other countries and completely change the infrastructure, which will entail additional costs, ”the expert explained.

    In addition, as Denis Manturov , head of the Russian Ministry of Industry and Trade, said in February last year , the Russian MiG-35 multipurpose fighters "are superior to many competitors in terms of flight performance and combat properties." Manturov also called Russia "the best supplier of modern combat aircraft for India".

    Panteleev, in turn, added that the Indian side "is considering Russia's proposal quite attentively."

    “The Russian development of the MiG-35 is better in terms of price-quality ratio than foreign fighters. In addition, Russia is ready to transfer some technologies to India. Here the Russian Federation demonstrates great openness in terms of the implementation of cooperation projects and the possibility of aircraft unification. In general, the MiG-29, the progenitor of the MiG-35, is well known to the Indian military. For this reason, the purchase of the latest Russian fighters would be a good decision for New Delhi, ”the analyst concluded.

    https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/841848-mig-35-rossiya-minoborony-samolyot

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    Post  franco Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:04 pm

    Russia has another generation 4 ++ fighter

    On the eve it became known that the first MiG-35S are ready for state tests. However, why did Russia need another 4 ++ generation fighter, and will it not become a competitor for the Su-35?

    The new aircraft is a further development of the MiG-29 light front-line fighter. At one time, the latter was deservedly considered the best in its class.

    It should be noted that the MiG-35S managed to keep the "lightness" of its predecessor and weighs only 17.5 tons. At the same time, in terms of speed, he added significantly: 1400 km / h at the ground and 2400 km / h at a maximum altitude of 17.5 km.

    The aircraft received modern avionics, on-board electronic warfare equipment, a phased array and ten "suspensions" for the widest range of weapons. Add super-maneuverability to this and get the world's best multi-role fighter for all types of missions.

    As for the competition with the Su-35, it is out of the question. "Drying" is necessary for escorting our long-range bombers, strikes into the strategic depth of enemy positions, as well as breaking through a heavily fortified air defense zone. In turn, the task of the "MIGs" will be to capture and maintain control of the sky over the battlefield, air support on the front line and strikes at targets in the near rear.

    However, this does not mean that our aircraft will not become a competitor for foreign winged aircraft. The export potential of the MiG-35S is enormous, and the price is only $ 45 million. For comparison, the F-16 in a similar configuration, the F / A-18 Super Hornet, Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale will cost the buyer $ 68, 75, 120 and 130 million, respectively.

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    Post  littlerabbit Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:40 pm

    I really hope we will get 2 or 3 squadrons of these, when the time comes. Wink

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:17 pm

    littlerabbit wrote:I really hope we will get 2 or 3 squadrons of these, when the time comes. Wink

    We are now set with 29s for quite a while but if 35 gets some traction with some bigger customers it will be much easier pitch to replace our 29s with 35s down the road (way down the road)

    Next item on the aircraft menu for us are trainers/bombers, rumor has it T-7 Red Hawk is in play on that

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    Post  GarryB Mon Mar 29, 2021 3:17 am

    Well the Russians are probably learning that an air fleet of all Flankers will be more expensive in fuel and operational costs... they avoided the bullet of an all stealth fighter upgrade, but having all large fighters also makes things more expensive than they need to be especially in concentrated areas where you have a lot of airfields relatively close together so enormous flight range becomes redundant.

    I am sure when the US stops production of the F-35 and has F-15s in production they are going to think the operational costs of the F-15s are tiny compared with the operational costs of the F-35 so they might not notice... but the Russians finding the MiG-35 costs 2.5 times less to operate than the MiG-29 will probably make them realise that having a few of them on their books makes a lot of sense.

    This is more so because the MiG-35 can be single or twin seat aircraft... you can swap them from one configuration to the other if you want to it seems.

    That makes it rather flexible and useful.

    I would think once the MiG-35 is fully mature that Egypt and perhaps even Algeria will consider the upgrade to the better type.

    A bit more BS from the US over Indias purchase of Su-30s and S-400s should lead to them thinking perhaps the MRCA project should have gone with a split purchase of MiG-29Ms and Rafales, and that now a new purchase of say 300 fighters with perhaps 50 MiG-35s and 250 MiG-29M2s to replace their existing MiG-29s and their MiG-21s and MiG-27s and Jaguars.

    Both the MiG-29M and MiG-35 are fully multirole aircraft and can effectively replace strike aircraft like the 27 and Jaguar, while as a light fighter the MiG-29M is smaller than a Flankers but is a capable and potent little aircraft... especially with full thrust vectoring engines.

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    Post  mnztr Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:46 am

    PapaDragon wrote:

    We are now set with 29s for quite a while but if 35 gets some traction with some bigger customers it will be much easier pitch to replace our 29s with 35s down the road (way down the road)

    Next item on the aircraft menu for us are trainers/bombers, rumor has it T-7 Red Hawk is in play on that


    Looks like the USAF will buy an american verison of the T7/Gripen as a fighter. I question how this can be better then the pure fighter Gripen, but I guess we will have to see.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:46 pm

    mnztr wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:

    We are now set with 29s for quite a while but if 35 gets some traction with some bigger customers it will be much easier pitch to replace our 29s with 35s down the road (way down the road)

    Next item on the aircraft menu for us are trainers/bombers, rumor has it T-7 Red Hawk is in play on that


    Looks like the USAF will buy an american verison of the T7/Gripen as a fighter. I question how this can be better then the pure fighter Gripen, but I guess we will  have to see.

    The American version of Gripen will be better simply on the fact that Uncle Sham will not sanction himself, meaning their will be a steady supply of parts and spares without external interference...other nations *cough, Brazil, cough* will not be so lucky, and they'll have to find out the hard way.
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    Post  mnztr Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:14 pm

    2.5 X reduced so does that mean the operating cost is 20% of the Mig-29 classic? That is staggering. I assume a large part of that is engine life, followed by airframe life and then fuel efficiency?
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    Post  mnztr Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:52 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    mnztr wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:

    We are now set with 29s for quite a while but if 35 gets some traction with some bigger customers it will be much easier pitch to replace our 29s with 35s down the road (way down the road)

    Next item on the aircraft menu for us are trainers/bombers, rumor has it T-7 Red Hawk is in play on that


    Looks like the USAF will buy an american verison of the T7/Gripen as a fighter. I question how this can be better then the pure fighter Gripen, but I guess we will  have to see.

    The American version of Gripen will be better simply on the fact that Uncle Sham will not sanction himself, meaning their will be a steady supply of parts and spares without external interference...other nations *cough, Brazil, cough* will not be so lucky, and they'll have to find out the hard way.


    Yes but it will be based on the T7 so much less capability
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    Post  LMFS Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:35 pm

    mnztr wrote:2.5 X reduced so does that mean the operating cost is 20% of the Mig-29 classic? That is staggering. I assume a large part of that is engine life, followed by airframe life and then  fuel efficiency?

    I guess that is some sales pitch derived from the fact that the RD-33MK has a 2.5 times longer operational life. I don't think the statement can be taken at face value, if only because the fuel consumption of the plane should be essentially the same as in the older models, plus more complex avionics mean more aspects to be considered during maintenance and potential failure sources.
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    Post  mnztr Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:08 pm

    I suspect you can count on 10-15% fuel reduction from updates and FADEC. Also I suspect the airframe life is extended significantly so the amortization of that cost is a much longer term.
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    Post  LMFS Tue Mar 30, 2021 2:34 am

    What about increased weight, wing area and way bigger procurement costs? We can make up numbers if we want but I don't see the point. Regarding MLU of the airframes, how many hours per year are these planes flying and therefore how many years are won that way?

    CPF are complex enough for us starting to accept funny numbers at face value...
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    Post  mnztr Tue Mar 30, 2021 3:41 am

    Airframe life has been increased 4x so by accounting sleight of hand, even if the plane is 2x more expensive, its cost per hour drops by 50%. Add to that massively increase engine life and much less maint, and you have big savings. ..per hour.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:09 am

    They are talking about the MiG-29 which was an aircraft designed for war.

    The old systems and parts were not inspected or checked... they had a lifetime that was obviously conservative and once they had done their allotted time or distance they were replaced.... it meant the people doing the maintenance just had to be able to count... they didn't have to interpret xrays of engine blades to look for micro cracks.

    It was time consuming and expensive in parts because many parts could be used much longer but were discarded based on hours of use rather than actual condition based on inspection and testing.

    Anyone trying to keep an old computer going will know as they get older reliability becomes a problem and old parts can become more expensive than new parts... try going to a local shop and try to buy a video tape recorder machine... a VCR.

    Using modular modern avionics the reliability and performance and ability to upgrade should be massively improved and rather cheaper and faster too.

    I would expect a cost of perhaps 4-5 thousand dollars per hour operational costs to operate, which would make it rather more affordable than most western alternatives.


    BTW airframe life and engine life do not really effect hours of maintenance per flight hour... in fact on older aircraft with much cheaper but much less robust engines that had to be changed more often were also rather cheap to operate too.

    The airframe life and engine hours for a MiG-21 were not that great but one of the reasons many air forces hung on to them was because they were so cheap to operate and maintain...
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    Post  mnztr Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:55 am

    It all comes  down to total cost per flight hour, abd yes that is computed over the life of the plane so airframe cost and engine overhaul costs are part of the equation. Yes most airframes can have service extended. Sometimes with deep inspections, and sometimes with some parts replacements.

    I wonder how many Tejas a mig 35 can take on and defeat. ... and considering the Tejas engines are from GE, the MIG is proabably cheaper.
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    Post  mnztr Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:27 am

    Quick question, which variants of the MIG-29 have FBW?
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    Post  LMFS Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:00 am

    mnztr wrote:Airframe life has been increased 4x so by accounting sleight of hand, even if the plane is 2x more expensive, its cost per hour drops by 50%.  Add  to that massively increase engine life and much less maint, and you have big savings. ..per hour.

    Do you have sources for that?

    It all depends on how you calculate CPFH, every operator does it differently. But in general I don't agree a much more expensive fighter is "cheaper" because it needs less overhauling. Modern aviation tells exactly the opposite story. And I am sure the CPFH of the MiG-35 is not 2.5 times less, all considered, than the MiG-29. Because fuel is a big part, as well as pilot / ground crew labour and training, because pieces are more expensive and there are more systems, because equipment needed is more specialised, because ground infrastructure is the same or more, etc.

    GarryB wrote:The old systems and parts were not inspected or checked... they had a lifetime that was obviously conservative and once they had done their allotted time or distance they were replaced.... it meant the people doing the maintenance just had to be able to count... they didn't have to interpret xrays of engine blades to look for micro cracks.

    It was time consuming and expensive in parts because many parts could be used much longer but were discarded based on hours of use rather than actual condition based on inspection and testing.

    That is the logical strategy when your pieces are cheap compared to doing complex testing of the plane, with modern systems that is not the case anymore, but that defeats the purpose of having a cheap plane.

    BTW airframe life and engine life do not really effect hours of maintenance per flight hour... in fact on older aircraft with much cheaper but much less robust engines that had to be changed more often were also rather cheap to operate too.

    The airframe life and engine hours for a MiG-21 were not that great but one of the reasons many air forces hung on to them was because they were so cheap to operate and maintain...

    Yes, that is what I mean. Modern planes are more durable because the procurement costs are so high that you cannot dispose of them the same way than before, they need to be taken care of to preserve their value.

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    Post  littlerabbit Tue Mar 30, 2021 7:35 pm

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    littlerabbit wrote:I really hope we will get 2 or 3 squadrons of these, when the time comes. Wink

    We are now set with 29s for quite a while but if 35 gets some traction with some bigger customers it will be much easier pitch to replace our 29s with 35s down the road (way down the road)

    Next item on the aircraft menu for us are trainers/bombers, rumor has it T-7 Red Hawk is in play on that


    T-7 is a beautiful plane, but I think they won't allow us to buy it. Maybe Chinese L-15 or Russian Jak-130. dunno
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Mar 30, 2021 7:49 pm

    littlerabbit wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    littlerabbit wrote:I really hope we will get 2 or 3 squadrons of these, when the time comes. Wink

    We are now set with 29s for quite a while but if 35 gets some traction with some bigger customers it will be much easier pitch to replace our 29s with 35s down the road (way down the road)

    Next item on the aircraft menu for us are trainers/bombers, rumor has it T-7 Red Hawk is in play on that


    T-7 is a beautiful plane, but I think they won't allow us to buy it. Maybe Chinese L-15 or Russian Jak-130. dunno

    Won't allow us?

    I wouldn't be surprised if we advising them on development of armed version

    NATO will not be allowed to use it in combat role, it would cut into the golden goose which is F-35 (even USAF has problems getting permission to buy F-15X over F-35) and no other airforce on the planet uses jet trainers in bomber role

    They may keep them around as last desperate measure but they don't have serious intent of ever using them in combat

    We are the only ones who are not only serious about it but also only ones who actually used them in combat and built a doctrine around it, we flew the damn things on bombing runs while NATO was bombing us FFS

    Boeing seriously needs a win these days

    T-7 is Boeing's next stab at greatness, they will be selling them wherever they can and we are perfect first adopters for armed version

    Also T-7 is SUPERSONIC aircraft, this opportunity doesn't happen every day, we need to get this, it's too sweet to pass up





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    Post  mnztr Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:22 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:

    T-7 is Boeing's next stab at greatness, they will be selling them wherever they can and we are perfect first adopters for armed version


    Lets be honest, the only reason T7 has turned out so well is because its essenital a version of the Gripen. If it was left to Boeing it would be yet another abomination.

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