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    Post  Isos on Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:34 pm

    Hole wrote:Carrier version of Yak-130 would be great.

    They already have twin seater su-25 that is similar to yak-130.
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    Post  medo on Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:04 pm

    Russian naval aviation training center in Yeysk need new trainers, both Yak-152 and Yak-130 to train their own pilots. Yak-130 will do all advanced trainings for pilots of all types of combat planes like MiG-29K, Su-30SM and Su-33. But for carrier deck trainings like ski jump take off and arrester hook landings Su-25UTG is good enough. With MiG-29K taking carrier duty and Su-33 becoming ground based fighter, all Su-25UTG trainers could go to Yeysk as MiG-29K regiment have their own MiG-29KUB twin seaters.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:59 pm

    AVIATION OF THE RUSSIAN NAVY. PALE SEMBLANCE OF FORMER MAGNIFICENCE

    He's absolutely right. In the Soviet VMF the NAF, SSNs & SSGNs were the main striking forces, not the surface ships.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:28 pm

    Russia's navy Aviation was pathetic during soviet times and 90's. Su-24's just do not hold a candle to Su-30SM and Su-34's.
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    Post  Hole on Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:33 pm

    The Tu-22M3 missile carriers were taken over by the VKS.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:01 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Russia's navy Aviation was pathetic during soviet times and 90's.  Su-24's just do not hold a candle to Su-30SM and Su-34's.
    Before 1991, it had bigger # of a/c & more power. Now the Russian NAF is still building up to hopefully that level.
    There r no Su-34s in, & none r planned for the NAF so far: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-34#Operators
    Su-34 production continues at a steady pace of 16-18 aircraft a year. Sixteen aircraft remain to be delivered. When the full order is completed in 2019, the Russian Air Force will have had nine operational squadrons of Su-34s. http://aviationweek.com/defense/russia-pursues-isr-and-electronic-warfare-versions-su-34-5
    Typically for the mostly land based NAF, its inventory procurement is on the back burner.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:30 am

    Its sea going air power was rubbish compared with Su-33 and MiG-29KR today.... and I seem to remember landing support within range was given by Su-17s... not the most potent air support...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:43 am

    The VVS (AF) had AShMs in its inventory & was supposed to assist the NAF to defend the USSR. They didn't need huge NAF on a par with the AF then nor do they need it now.
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    Post  medo on Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:42 pm

    Russian naval aviation is just an image of state of Russian NAVY as such. In the nineties there was no money for navy, what means there was no money for naval aviation as well. Russian MoD take Tu-22M bombers from navy and give them to air force simply because this little money, that army got, went for ground forces and air force because of war in Chechnya. They transfer them to save them. Only after Kursk tragedy it become clear, that navy need money as well and first priority was resque equipment and than replacement of old ships and subs. Only after those first priorities comes naval aviation. They went with overhaul of Su-33 in KNAAZ and later modernize them with SVP-24-33. They bought a new regiment of MiG-29K/KUB. They buy two Ka-31 AEW&C helicopters. Start with modernization of Il-38N and Ka-27M and buying new Su-30SM multirole fighters. They are improving and they are buying new equipment. But it need time. They also build Yeysk training center to school and train new naval pilots. It will take time of many years before navy and naval aviation will be rebuild, but they are in the right direction. Naval training centers in Yeysk and in Saki are the most important part of it. First they need new young pilots and ground crews all the rest will come with time.
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    Post  Isos on Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:14 pm

    Does russian naval aviation still use deapth charges ? Does anyone has a link for modern deapth charges ?

    I know RBU launchers have really smart muntions but what about deapth charges launched from aviation ?

    Those things can't be outdated since it is a very effective, simple and cheap weapon once you know where a sub is, it can sturate a big area with many of them without the need of using torpedo that can be jammed.
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    Post  Hole on Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:23 pm

    There are (to my knowledge):
    RYu-2 - nuclear depth charge
    PLAB-250-120 - classic depth charge, used by all russian ASW aircraft and helicopters
    RBK-100 PLAB-10K - cluster depth charge, containing six PLAB-10K charges with shaped-charge/HE warheads
    KAB-250-100PL Zagon and Zagon 2 - guided depth charges
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:58 am

    I do remember reading somewhere that they had a special fuse that could be attached to any aerial bomb like the FAB series of HE bombs that could turn the bomb into a sea mine, where it could be dropped in shallow water and effectively used as a simple mine... would not surprise me if they also had a depth charge model of the fuse, but have read no articles about it.
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    Post  Isos on Sat Nov 24, 2018 11:05 pm

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Balliauw/status/1066381695132278786

    2 Russian su-24 armed with kh-25 flying above Belgian warship in Baltic sea.
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    Post  Hole on Sun Nov 25, 2018 11:33 am

    O this evil russians, defending their own country! angry
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    Post  Isos on Sun Nov 25, 2018 1:30 pm

    Hole wrote:O this evil russians, defending their own country! angry

    Those interceptions are normal but sending armed fighters isn't. Wonder what happened ? Maybe they were in exercices and send there with their weapon load.
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    Post  Hole on Sun Nov 25, 2018 4:59 pm

    The ships are also armed.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:31 am

    As I was saying-"train in the Black Sea":
    It is highly advisable to have in the Black Sea Fleet a training aircraft carrier, created as soon as possible on the basis of a large civilian vessel. .."Kuznetsov" in the repair, and the cost of its operation is very high. Therefore, we really need to have a “ship's desk” (training aircraft carrier) to handle deck aircraft. http://nvo.ng.ru/realty/2018-12-06/6_1025_sky.html
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:29 am

    Errr... don't they now have access to the training facility in the Crimea that was used in Soviet times to train for carrier operations?

    Sputnik: Nitka

    Of course there is nothing there... just look at the map:

    Saki Airfield
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:14 am

    They do, but shipboard flight ops qualifications need to be trained for.
    The USN had training carriers on the Great Lakes during WWII. Unlike the White Sea & Lake Baikal, the Black Sea doesn't freeze in winter & has year round better weather, the best on Russia's coasts.
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    Post  franco on Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:10 pm

    GarryB wrote:Errr... don't they now have access to the training facility in the Crimea that was used in Soviet times to train for carrier operations?

    Sputnik: Nitka

    Of course there is nothing there... just look at the map:

    Saki Airfield

    My sarcasm meter is not working however if you go into your Saki Airfield link and from the red cursor go up that runway to your right you can see the practice aircraft carrier lift.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:47 pm

    Look at SW corner of the airfield. 3 Su-33s parked to the NE of the practice area: https://www.google.com/maps/search/%D0%90%D1%8D%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BC+%D0%A1%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B8/@45.0857175,33.5897588,1277m/data=!3m1!1e3

    They also have NITKA  at Eisk:
    https://www.google.com/maps/place/%D0%95%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA,+%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9+%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9,+%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F/@46.6754851,38.1811994,310m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x40e42c3bc1a9aa8b:0x62be386c32f0bc0e!8m2!3d46.6825784!4d38.2702941
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    Post  franco on Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:52 pm

    Believe those 3 aircraft are Su-30SM's.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:20 pm

    Could be, their paint scheme is similar:
    Russian Naval Aviation: News - Page 18 KnAAPO-Su-33-1

    https://www.google.com/search?biw=875&bih=379&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=XuEKXMv3Ko7c_wSxvo6YDQ&q=Su-30SM&oq=Su-30SM&gs_l=img.12..0j0i30l6j0i5i30j0i30l2.66127.67032..69385...0.0..0.683.1356.5-2......0....1..gws-wiz-img.fFp03SpO0Ro

    They were probably loaned by the AF for training purposes.
    https://thediplomat.com/2018/02/russia-to-upgrade-su-30sm-fighter-jets-in-2018/
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    Post  franco on Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:10 pm

    No, Russian Naval Aviation has 24 Su-30SM's on order. First 12 are at Saki Airfield.
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    Post  medo on Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:27 pm

    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12153428@egNews

    Очередная партия палубных истребителей Су-33 оборудована специальной вычислительной подсистемы СВП-24-33 в рамках модернизации.
    В результате проведенной модернизации они смогут с высокой эффективностью работать не только по воздушным, но также по наземным и морским целям.

    A new batch of naval fighters Su-33 are equipped with SVP-24-33 during modernisation. After modernization, they could highly effectively work against targets in the air, on the ground and on the sea.

    This text is written in the way, that SVP-24-33 subsystem could be just a part of modernisation, not the whole modernisation.

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