Russian Towns, Cities / Urban Development

https://www.youtube.com/user/45baur

Youtube channel with comparisons of before and after development in Russia.

Nice counter balance to all the pro-Navalny and pro-regime change propaganda being spewed. According to Navalny
corruption arrived in Russia together with Putin and that the Yeltsin years were the golden years. That is basically
a quote and not some hyperbole on my part. Well, the videos above demonstrate that the real development showed
up only after Putin arrived. The Yeltsin years were the gangster's paradise toilet years.

kvs wrote:https://www.youtube.com/user/45baur

Youtube channel with comparisons of before and after development in Russia.  

Nice counter balance to all the pro-Navalny and pro-regime change propaganda being spewed.   According to Navalny
corruption arrived in Russia together with Putin and that the Yeltsin years were the golden years.   That is basically
a quote and not some hyperbole on my part.   Well, the videos above demonstrate that the real development showed
up only after Putin arrived.   The Yeltsin years were the gangster's paradise toilet years.

I like that channel, if there's one thing the government has been pretty good in it's infrastructure. It's kind of insane how many bridges have been built around the country in the last 20 years for example.

The only bridge they have been trying to build for the last 20 years that has been a total failure is the bridge to the west... but you get half way across the gap and there is nothing... they are simply not interested in meeting Russia half way, and the ground is strewn with land mines and barbed wire fences and electric fences and attack dogs...

It seems that bridge has finally been cancelled and bridges and new motorways and high speed train services need to be built in pretty much all other directions, and I think Russia will be the better for it.

The west grows rich and powerful by convincing the rest of the world that there is no other alternative... Russia and China and India can grow and develop and become a much better alternative to the US consumer model of excess which is destroying the planet.

To be fair the US didn't invent it... they just carried on down the track the Europeans cut centuries ago and took it to its extreme... but now we can see where it is heading... well it is time to re evaluate what path you want for the future of your culture... and humanity.

Moskva's infrastructure development over the past 20 years (part 1-4):

I see many Putin palaces there. Putin must be the biggest real estate owner in the universe! //sarc

An example of urban road and bridge construction to improve traffic flow. The juxtaposition with the rail line is rather nice.

I didn't realize the Brandenburg Airport in Berlin had 67 km's of cooling pipes without their proper insulation installed!      Westernturds always speak of Russian and Chinese projects with falsely attributed claims of corruption, but it looks like Westernturd's (and nations aligned with them) live in a poorly built glass houses. Keep in mind this video doesn't even include the Big Dig disaster in Boston!



Someone in the comments said this about the Brandenburg Airport.

My favorite part about the Brandenburg airport fiasco is that they installed thousands of TVs for departure/arrival info fairly early on in the process and turned them on, but no one ever bothered to turn them off. After ~6 years of being on continuously (while the airport was still closed and under construction) all of the TVs died and had to be replaced.

Apparently a whistleblower who exposed mass corruption during the development of the Berlin Brandenburg Airport was also poisoned.

Berlin Brandenburg airport corruption 'whistleblower poisoned'

magnumcromagnon wrote:
Apparently a whistleblower who exposed mass corruption during the development of the Berlin Brandenburg Airport was also poisoned.

Berlin Brandenburg airport corruption 'whistleblower poisoned'

G%ddamn Boshirov and Petrov at it again, we need more sanctions!!!!

Another funny story about the airport: the escalators don´t go all the way to the floor, instead you have four steps to climb!

"Construction mistake".

Hilarious BS-language. Project plans are there for a reason. The average prole is such a peasant. They think a theory is a haunch
and a project plan is some vague idea bout timelines. That is why the fake stream media can lead them around by the nose.

A Ukrainian doing a video walkabout in the Tverskaya region that is typically used to bash Russia's "true poverty".

Every road is supposed to be turning into mud and garbage is covering the landscape.

Cherry picking dirty locations is a standard ploy in propaganda.   The CBC (the Canadian state run propaganda orifice)
filmed some dirty outhouse in Russia's hinterland during the 1990s to "show" how bad Russia was.   I could have done
the same thing in Canada at the same time.   So what is Canada's excuse?

https://www.gazprom.com/press/news/2021/may/article529486/

With the purpose of further development of the social and business district that is now being successfully established around the Lakhta Center on the coast of the Gulf of Finland, it was proposed to build a new skyscraper, dubbed Lakhta Center 2. The skyscraper will be 703 meters tall. It will be organically integrated into the modern architectural ensemble and will take global leadership in technological innovation and green construction. The high-rise will become the world's second-tallest building with the absolute highest observation deck (at 590 meters) and top accessible floor.

The new landmark will give the district another impetus for development and strengthen its status as a modern city center with conceptual spaces for education and recreation.

The project will be implemented via project financing outside the scope of Gazprom's investment program by a special-purpose company unaffiliated with Gazprom.

A roadmap was developed for the project. The main land plot for construction will be provided by Gazprom.

kvs wrote:

A Ukrainian doing a video walkabout in the Tverskaya region that is typically used to bash Russia's "true poverty".

Every road is supposed to be turning into mud and garbage is covering the landscape.

Cherry picking dirty locations is a standard ploy in propaganda.   The CBC (the Canadian state run propaganda orifice)
filmed some dirty outhouse in Russia's hinterland during the 1990s to "show" how bad Russia was.   I could have done
the same thing in Canada at the same time.   So what is Canada's excuse?

Tell that Ukrainian to come to the USA - Philadelphia to be precise...and bring a camera.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nZaNc-DZA0

Russia does not have the sort of urban rot that the US and Canada (e.g. Vancouver) do. The trope is that Russians are dirt poor everywhere
outside Moscow and St. Petersburg which is a total lie.

kvs wrote:Russia does not have the sort of urban rot that the US and Canada (e.g. Vancouver) do.   The trope is that Russians are dirt poor everywhere
outside Moscow and St. Petersburg which is a total lie.

I remember going to NY for the first time ever in 2019, it quite literally blew my mind how bad their roads and metro are. I mean we meme about it, but I couldn't actually believe it was as bad as it was. Metal plates replacing asphalt in half the city, trains that run barely once every 20 minutes and are SO. F%CKING. SLOW.
DC was pretty decent though, makes sense all the lobbyists and members of congress want their front yard to look ok.

kvs wrote:Russia does not have the sort of urban rot that the US and Canada (e.g. Vancouver) do.   The trope is that Russians are dirt poor everywhere
outside Moscow and St. Petersburg which is a total lie.

Speaking of urban centers, what I'd like to see Russia do is to set up financial centers in at least their top 10 largest cities to give them a more economically aesthetic look.

Because at the moment, only Moscow seems to have a couple dozen skyscrapers like the ones found in the MIBC. Saint Petersburg has one supertall skyscraper, and Yekaterinburg has like one tall building.


Meanwhile, Canada's top 10 largest cities have some impressive skyline.

Calgary


Edmonton


Vancouver


Hamilton


Kitchener


Appearances may be deceiving, but still building a couple of skyscrapers in Russia's top cities will give them a better economic appearance.

I don't think you ever been to Edmonton. But besides west Edmonton mall and the water park, the city is a dump.  Downtown were all those buildings are, is delapidations and crack heads everywhere.

Russia does have skylines. Just use a thing we call "google"

Ekaterinburg is developing a nice highrise skyline. Several more 300 m class skyscrapers are going to built.

You can't compare Russian cities to Canadian and American ones, because there was never any capitalist economy to
drive high density urban development. The command economy set up efficient public transport and did not have
duplicated office space in every city. Those high rises in the above Canadian cities are office space for both locally
based and locally branched corporations. The USSR did not deploy office space this way. The former Sverdlovsk was
an industrial city like Chelyabinsk. Now the economic profile is shifting which propels high rise business tower construction.

High rises do not make the urban core a good place. The lack of such clusters in Russian cities is not because of rot.

I fucking hate high rises. I'm glad Moscow is the only city with a substantial skyscraper cluster in russia right now and if it was up to me I'd never built that thing.
Can somebody already make a comprehensive study on the impact of high rises on traffic congestion already? Common sense already tells us huge amounts of people stacked on top of each other on a small piece of land lead to high population density which leads to high transportation density. We just need to put it on paper with enough data.

Unfortunately, looking at the long list of new projects in Moscow, it looks like it's repeating the same mistakes as any other major city around the world. St. Pete gets it right more often than Moscow.

In general, this is how the modern urban landscapes should look like:





No preference for private cars, public transport and pedestrians. It should cater to all as equally as it can.

kvs wrote:

A Ukrainian doing a video walkabout in the Tverskaya region that is typically used to bash Russia's "true poverty".

Every road is supposed to be turning into mud and garbage is covering the landscape.

Cherry picking dirty locations is a standard ploy in propaganda.   The CBC (the Canadian state run propaganda orifice)
filmed some dirty outhouse in Russia's hinterland during the 1990s to "show" how bad Russia was.   I could have done
the same thing in Canada at the same time.   So what is Canada's excuse?

With immigrants and refugees coming into Canadian cities and town and turning them into shitholes, you can get a lot of video right now.

I can tell you guys this.

Last time I was listening to 103.1 radio here in Calgary, more than 40% of the high rises downtown was sitting empty.  Meaning they were looking for customers.  This was pre-covid numbers.  Can you imagine now?  My wife is one of them where she works from home instead of going to the office physically.

A lot of these high rises are absolutely unnecessary. High costs and doesn't really produce much but waste.

In Russia, in 2008. During the major economic crisis, a lot of high rises in Moscow and St.Petersburg were also sitting empty. So they converted many of them into hostels with movie theaters and small malls. While it is a good initiative to make use of the property, it didn't actually be used for its intended purpose.

miketheterrible wrote:I can tell you guys this.

Last time I was listening to 103.1 radio here in Calgary, more than 40% of the high rises downtown was sitting empty.  Meaning they were looking for customers.  This was pre-covid numbers.  Can you imagine now?  My wife is one of them where she works from home instead of going to the office physically.

A lot of these high rises are absolutely unnecessary.  High costs and doesn't really produce much but waste.

In Russia, in 2008.  During the major economic crisis, a lot of high rises in Moscow and St.Petersburg were also sitting empty.  So they converted many of them into hostels with movie theaters and small malls.  While it is a good initiative to make use of the property, it didn't actually be used for its intended purpose.

Skyscrapers really are phallus proxies. The original purpose for such buildings was in rather distinctive real estate locations such as Manhattan Island. There is no
room to spread so you have to go up. But Manhattan is not a universal situation. So what you get is ego-stroking construction of monsters like the Burj Khalifa in
Dubai which is some sort of mixed residential and office high rise that is the highest on the planet. There is no need for such buildings in Dubai. They do not have
a real estate problem in spite of being small. I can't imagine how it is to live on the top floors, swaying like reed in the wind. What for? To advertise how "elite"
you are?

Thread for discussing the construction of houses, shops, cultural objects in cities and regions of Russia, the restoration of old buildings and the construction of roads