[Official] Armata Discussion thread #4

UVZ began work on a tank-robot on the alternative "Armat" chassis T-72

UVZ is developing an assault robotic complex on the chassis of the T-72B3 tank. He must maintain his fighting capacity after hitting 15 RPG grenades. Platform "Armata" for the Ministry of Defense was too expensive

https://www.rbc.ru/politics/08/08/2018/5b62d8979a794742d5e293fd

Very interesting article:

What is included in the complex

Combat vehicle No. 1 with a mass of up to 50 tons with a D-414 125 mm cannon (with a truncated barrel of 4000 mm) with a 22-shot loading machine, a Kalashnikov tank machine with a 7.62 mm caliber, a bulldozer blade and an all- anti-tank means of cumulative action.

Combat machine No. 2 with blocks of launchers RPO-2 "Shmel-M" and auxiliary 7.62 mm PKTM machine gun, a blade and a set of all-purpose protection against manual anti-tank means of cumulative action.

Combat vehicle No. 3 with a combat module of two 30-millimeter automatic guns 2A42 (ammunition up to 1000 rounds), 7.62 mm PKTM and RPO-2 "Bumblebee", a blade and a set of all-round protection against manual anti-tank means of cumulative action.

Combat vehicle No. 4 with a 220 mm NURS type МО.1.01.04M (16 thermobaric shots with an effective area of ​​25,000 sq. M.), 7,62 mm PKTM, a dump and a set of all-round protection against manual anti-tank means of cumulative action.

To manage the robotic tanks, it is proposed to create a highly mobile remote control point also on the basis of the T-72B3 chassis with a set of all-round protection against manual anti-tank means of cumulative action. It is assumed that each robot will be able to control a platoon of combat vehicles within a radius of 3 km. The maximum speed of robots with remote control is 40 km / h.

In addition, it is planned to create a special BTR-T for the security group also based on the T-72B3, which will provide for the deployment of eight people on board.

ARMATA PRICE:

According to the source of RBC in the Ministry of Defense, in 2016 UVZ planned to sell the first batch of Armata tanks (about 100 cars) for 450 million rubles. per unit, but the military department managed to reduce the price to 320 million. At the same time, the cost of one T-72B3 tank in 2016, according to UVZ , was about 79 million rubles.

This reeks of scam and graft.

They couldn't get tiny robots to work properly but they will get robotic T-72 to work? They couldn't pay for Armata but they will pay for non-existent robot that can do everything on it's own?

For now I will pretend that it's all just journalists hogwash but if they really do go through with canceling Armata in favor of anything especially non-existent toy-robots it will mean that the whole myth of resurgent Russian military is just BS. Basically they have been lucky for a while but luck always runs out.

Cancelling ARMATA
Borisov only said they wont flood the Russian army with them...  Just that.

UZV maintains the production of t-14 as stress by contract.
Ural 9 didnt perform that bad

dino00 wrote:Cancelling ARMATA
Borisov only said they wont flood the Russian army with them...  Just that.

UZV maintains the production of t-14 as stress by contract.
Ural 9 didnt perform that bad

Quote from that article:

...Platform "Armata" for the Ministry of Defense was too expensive...

Also Uran 9 didn't just perform bad, it performed miserably, every single person involved went on record about it

Also Uran 9 didn't just perform bad, it performed miserably, every single person involved went on record about it
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From today:

The problems of the Uran-9 complex identified in the SAR will be eliminated

Earlier, it was reported about the loss of remote control, the problems in the running gear of Uranium-9 and the problems with the use of weapons installed on it.

In fact, during the combat use of the machine nothing fatal happened. These unmanned systems are still at the very beginning of their development, so it was amazing if the first time everything turned out smoothly.

https://vpk.name/news/223800_vyiyavlennyie_v_sar_problemyi_kompleksa_uran9_budut_ustranenyi.html

...Platform "Armata" for the Ministry of Defense was too expensive...

...That is why they Will purchase 100 until 2020...then they Will choose how much more they need...not if they want... just how many

I would usually attribute one idiotic statement to simple ramblings of some Rogozin-style clown but given the rate with which this talk is ramping up from several points of origin it's starting to look like someone is laying the groundwork and softening the audience for big news they are about to drop

Something definitely stinks here and someone is about to get his hands on whole lot of money

Needless to say that military is about to get shafted 90s-style in the process

miketheterrible wrote:I would find it rather odd then.  Cause the amount of money they have allocated and that has been approved is a lot.  So where will all that money go?  Will they just sit on it?

Anyway, UVZ is planning layoffs of up to 15,000 people.  But there is little info as why cause it was stated that there is no plans for cutbacks in terms of orders and currently their production is at 100% due to demands:
........

What's odd about it? It makes perfect sense and same things happened countless times before following same scenario to the letter.

Allocated amount of money is large? Of course it was, nobody wants to steal small amounts.

Where did money go? Same as all the other money stolen so far.

Will they sit on it? Of course not, money is for stealing not sitting.

Layoffs are announced? Perfectly in line with cancelled priority projects.

What's most insulting is the cover story. Robotic T-72? To get that ancient hulk in condition to even start experimenting with robotic conversion tou will have to spend enough cash per hull to buy new T-90 or more and that's just the beginning.

Scam if there ever was one.

Nibiru wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Scam if there ever was one.

Why is this scam not catching Putin's attention? Are his hands suddenly tied now? 

Because he is not deity or some all-seeing creature. He is one guy and it takes thousands to run state apparatus.

So he is either in on it and stealing or is being fed BS by ones who are swiping the cash.

miketheterrible wrote:Can someone point me to the words cancelled? All I read was will not be produced en mass.

I dunno. English is my only language. But to me there is clearly a difference

Borisov

He is laying down the groundwork for next step AKA cancellation, he is trying to do the same for Su-57

So either both are on the chopping block, he is talking complete BS (like Trampoline Man does) or he is lobbying for someone/something

My guess is chopping block because given PR disaster that ensued someone else would have stepped in by now if it weren't the case