I still find it hard to fully understand and imagine it, Garry. Do you means the new gen APS like Afghanit posesses sufficent reliability to the level that they can supplement or even replace supertough armor, and Sprut-SD with the most advanced APS and reactive armor can be used as MBT ? Question Question Idea BTW I count NERA and ERA into the armor, too.
Errr... obviously not, otherwise why would they build the Armata MBT?
Any 70 ton western tank has weak points on its frontal armour so a lucky hit penetrating the main gun barrel or the gap between the turret and hull could easily defeat the vehicle with a frontal hit.
It is just a question of margins.
With NERA and APS and good optics and a battle management system to detect targets and threats early in terms of cost effective gun platform that needs to move rapidly with a highly mobile force then a Kurganets or Boomerang based tank makes perfect sense to me.
Against well dug in enemy troops well equipped with anti armour weapons it would not make sense but then that is what armata is for.
There are jobs that need an ansat and jobs that need a Havok. Using a Havok for everything is a waste of resources.
I still think at the moment MBT demand supertough armour, even in the presence of APS like Shtora, Arena or Afghanit. Probably my mindset begins to be old and outdated, am not I ?
Actually the change has been gradual but the MBT... which should be a medium weight vehicles like a T-34 has turned into a heavy tank like a Tiger II.
the west uses heavy tanks and what the Russians are doing is bringing back weight classes of vehicles.
A heavy brigade has all heavy vehicles so you wont be able to pick off the weak light vehicles like you could with a NATO force, leaving Tanks and IFVs on their own.
Nope. I asked what did you mean by Kurganets and Boomerang MBT.
No more MBTs. The Armata will have heavy tanks, Kurganets and boomerang will have medium tanks and typhoon will have light tanks (ie like Sprut).
That 70 ton block of metal (tracks, armor and gun) tends to win wars or impose political will.
Even a 70 ton block of metal can be taken out from the side or rear with old generation systems when the enemy knows what they are doing... the fact that most of those the US takes on don't know what they are doing or are not supplied properly is not something to base future developments upon.
How is this related to those reserve tanks being reactivated in 2025/2035 (the discussion at hand) is beyond me.
In twenty years time old vehicles taken from stocks wont be fighting with old equipment support... air power and artillery support will have developed... also even in storage you can upgrade material... nakidka will make Javelin useless except in line of sight SACLOS mode... and its 750mm penetration is pathetic.
My understanding is that the heavy, medium and light brigade experiment is over. And the traditional Tank and Motor Rifle units will stay with some modifications. The T15 BMP will be used in Tank brigades and regiments. The Motor Rifle units will receive kurganets or boomerang vehicles along with Armata tanks. Not confirmed but it appears by 2020 there will be as many as 11 Tank brigades and regiments.
Based on what?
well if they use traditional wedge formation 3 armatas front and 2 older tanks on rear flank , then 3k armatas ,and 2k t-90s will be enough - total 5.000 tanks.
The whole concept of families of vehicles is to reduce the logistics tail and simplify operation. If you mix the vehicles then there is no point and it was all a total waste of time. If they are going to mix all the formations up then half the models would get cancelled and back to Grozny where lighter vehicles are picked off and remaining vehicles defeated because they are no longer supported.