TR1 wrote:Logistical savings still apply if the entire military is transferred to three basic platforms. Brigades don't operate in bubbles outside the larger logistical chain.
No they won't - because you have to look at each brigades' individual logistical footprint, spare parts pool, need for variety of trained mechanics and drivers across all its platforms, etc... if a brigade is on a single-vehicle base than all these things will be a lot smaller and more simpler than it is now.
If it's not then ultimately it won't be much different than a motor-rifle or armour brigade as they exist today.
Armata vehicles let's say, may individually be more expensive than Kurganets, Bumerang vehicles, etc... however the extra expense will be compensated in terms of decreased operational expenses (when comparing a pure Kurganets and pure Armata brigade, to two mixed Kurganets/Armata brigades) and simplification of maintance/repair/training.
Mixing Armatas, Kurganets, maybe some Typhoons, etc... would defeat the point. It would be the exact same situation as a BTR-80/BTR-82 based motor-rifle brigade today, with T-72B3 tanks, a kaleidescope of MT-LB vehicles for various roles, GAZ Tigrs and Ivecos here and there, etc...
All you would have accomplished is replacing those vehicles with newer more modern ones; but the logistical complications would still stay much as they did before.
Placing a SHORAD on a heavy, expensive Armata chassis will not gain some magical logistical savings that are worth it- if once again the armed forces as a whole have transferred to the 3 new unified chassis as a whole.
Yes it would. A SHORAD vehicle has a short-range and is as much a part of the combat formation as any tank, NBC vehicle, recon vehicle, APC, mortar-carrier, etc.. it would be right up there in the front-lines, and in fact its cannons or missiles could well be used against ground targets too.
Best for me to reverse the arguement and ask - what would be the advantage of placing a SHORAD on a Kurganets-chassis; in the middle of a formation otherwise full of Armata vehicles?
Armata brigades will have reco vehicles, they will have liaison vehicles....you guys seriously think they will all be on the Armata chassis? Please.
I have read some texts on defense sites that explicitly mention Armata recon vehicles (e.g. http://defencyclopedia.com/2014/06/06/armata-the-ultimate-next-generation-main-battle-tank/); albeit of course it might just be author's assumptions.
To be honest I think they might go with small teletanks and robots for the recon role, and have Armata vehicles as the control vehicles housing operators and their equipment.
Because indeed a big, heavy, armoured tank with no amphibious capabilities, unreliability compared to wheeled vehicles - that everyone will hear coming from a mile away might not neccesserily be the best choice for a recon vehicle.
However I agree that there will be certain vehicles part of an Armata formation that won't be Armata vehicles but instead truck or 4x4 based - but they will be non-combat vehicles not designed to withstand enemy action or be near the front-lines; exactly such things as liason vehicles for quick transport of personnel/commanding officers between parts of the brigade, supply trucks carrying ammo/medical supplies/food/etc..., mobile cranes, mobile gyms & recreational vehicles, electric-cable and signal-cable laying vehicles, mobile field kitchens, mobile repair workshops, Brigade HQ C4 vehicles, etc...