[Official] Armata Discussion thread #1

Werewolf wrote:

plus, minus 8 cm.

Good job.

and it seems it indeed using bustle loader.

Well, if they are indeed 700mm like they say it is on otvaga, however due the bad resolution of picture and the unknown exact angle of the vehicle to the camera (but seems about 90°) there is a little failure quote which should not exceed 10cm at max, but i would guess under 5cm.

Really sure this is the T-14? Looks almost like an old M60A3... but it only has 6 roadwheels
And no side skirts? Also the turret seems to be rather large to be unmanned.

People seem to be accepting the rumor that this is indeed T-14. What sort of proof is there that this is in fact so? What other possibilities exist?

eridan wrote:People seem to be accepting the rumor that this is indeed T-14. What sort of proof is there that this is in fact so? What other possibilities exist?

Only proof people accept is the 7 road wheels, but i highly doubt that the turret is T-14.

Werewolf wrote:

eridan wrote:People seem to be accepting the rumor that this is indeed T-14. What sort of proof is there that this is in fact so? What other possibilities exist?

Only proof people accept is the 7 road wheels, but i highly doubt that the turret is T-14.

What do you think about the main cannon ?

AZZKIKR wrote:

Oddly enough, from this angle doesnt seem like any of the designs or concept art provided.

Many things can explain that:

1.) Armata is still a prototype, this may not even be the final unified chassis, just like the engines for the PAK-FA are just the stop gap until the Type 30 engines are ready.

2.) This is definitely a prototype chassis, missing it's ERA, side-skirts, and whatever modular applique armor that we've seen in concept art.

higurashihougi wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

eridan wrote:People seem to be accepting the rumor that this is indeed T-14. What sort of proof is there that this is in fact so? What other possibilities exist?

Only proof people accept is the 7 road wheels, but i highly doubt that the turret is T-14.

What do you think about the main cannon ?

Hard to tell from that picture or video, but it seems rather unorthodox or just odd.

Stealthflanker wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

plus, minus 8 cm.

Good job.

and it seems it indeed using bustle loader.

As I predicted, and like I explained before the tarp on the Armata turret, made it artificially look larger than it actually was.

Werewolf wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

eridan wrote:People seem to be accepting the rumor that this is indeed T-14. What sort of proof is there that this is in fact so? What other possibilities exist?

Only proof people accept is the 7 road wheels, but i highly doubt that the turret is T-14.

What do you think about the main cannon ?

Hard to tell from that picture or video, but it seems rather unorthodox or just odd.

It's probably not even the final cannon fitted to the prototype T-14 turret.

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

eridan wrote:People seem to be accepting the rumor that this is indeed T-14. What sort of proof is there that this is in fact so? What other possibilities exist?

Only proof people accept is the 7 road wheels, but i highly doubt that the turret is T-14.

What do you think about the main cannon ?

Hard to tell from that picture or video, but it seems rather unorthodox or just odd.

It's probably not even the final cannon fitted to the prototype T-14 turret.

I don't even think that this is the final turret of the T-14 MBT Armata, however it will be much more clear at 9th May.

Werewolf wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

eridan wrote:People seem to be accepting the rumor that this is indeed T-14. What sort of proof is there that this is in fact so? What other possibilities exist?

Only proof people accept is the 7 road wheels, but i highly doubt that the turret is T-14.

What do you think about the main cannon ?

Hard to tell from that picture or video, but it seems rather unorthodox or just odd.

It's probably not even the final cannon fitted to the prototype T-14 turret.

I don't even think that this is the final turret of the T-14 MBT Armata, however it will be much more clear at 9th May.

May it be T-15 BMPT ?

higurashihougi wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

eridan wrote:People seem to be accepting the rumor that this is indeed T-14. What sort of proof is there that this is in fact so? What other possibilities exist?

Only proof people accept is the 7 road wheels, but i highly doubt that the turret is T-14.

What do you think about the main cannon ?

Hard to tell from that picture or video, but it seems rather unorthodox or just odd.

It's probably not even the final cannon fitted to the prototype T-14 turret.

I don't even think that this is the final turret of the T-14 MBT Armata, however it will be much more clear at 9th May.

May it be T-15 BMPT ?

I do believe that this is an entirely different turret and not the MBT turret at all. We know that the chassis are unified, but all people jumped immidiatley to the conclusion that this is T-14 MBT due the 7 road wheels. To me it does not represent the concept. The turret seems rather small for autloader with after turret bustle feeding system. The concept on T-64/80 and T-72/90 was two seperated ammunitions which are made of paper like material that are highly flammable, due this kind of ammunition the entire internal volume had to be reduced, meaning no fuel inside the vehicle, no pipes inside that could catch fire and end fatal for tank and crew. This turret seems tall, but rather shorter than expected and i don't think it houses a horizontal autoloader but a vertical one from the hull of it with seperated ammunition and propellant, from the looks of it, the chassis is larger than T-72/90 which means the fuel is back inside of the chassis which means non seperated ammunition, which probably means hard case ammunition will be used.
That is the reason i doubt that this is T-14 turret.

First clear-ish look at an Armata T-14 MBT. No side armour modules, and turret is concealed of course, but still very cool

Werewolf wrote:
I do believe that this is an entirely different turret and not the MBT turret at all. We know that the chassis are unified, but all people jumped immidiatley to the conclusion that this is T-14 MBT due the 7 road wheels. To me it does not represent the concept. The turret seems rather small for autloader with after turret bustle feeding system. The concept on T-64/80 and T-72/90 was two seperated ammunitions which are made of paper like material that are highly flammable, due this kind of ammunition the entire internal volume had to be reduced, meaning no fuel inside the vehicle, no pipes inside that could catch fire and end fatal for tank and crew. This turret seems tall, but rather shorter than expected and i don't think it houses a horizontal autoloader but a vertical one from the hull of it with seperated ammunition and propellant, from the looks of it, the chassis is larger than T-72/90 which means the fuel is back inside of the chassis which means non seperated ammunition, which probably means hard case ammunition will be used.
That is the reason i doubt that this is T-14 turret.

Since none of the crew is in turret anymore, horizontal autoloader would present practically no advantages over a vertical one, but plenty of disadvantages.

Me and a friend suspect the T-14 "Armata" carries a Leclerc style fume extractor.

<-- the thing on top of the barrel in the mantle

Thank god the turret isn't the retarded general dynamics stryker MGS-esque EGT piece of shit.

Looks like there's a bustle. This also means that the turret will have heavy armor and surface area for installing additional weapons. So much for garry's talk about the complete unimportance of turret equipment and armor for the armata.

magnumcromagnon wrote:

AZZKIKR wrote:

Oddly enough, from this angle doesnt seem like any of the designs or concept art provided.

Many things can explain that:

1.) Armata is still a prototype, this may not even be the final unified chassis, just like the engines for the PAK-FA are just the stop gap until the Type 30 engines are ready.

2.) This is definitely a prototype chassis, missing it's ERA, side-skirts, and whatever modular applique armor that we've seen in concept art.

Indeed sounds a possibility..

But if Russia government have plans to show this unfinished world war 2 like tank in may 8 , to the world.. as their latest most advanced tank ever ,after 20 years the T-90 enter service.  then they will be better not show anything at all.. until is 100% finished and looks like something very advanced and modern. that represent how capable is Russia in creating next generation tanks. This is more true ,when they have invited many world leaders to the ceremonies..  They should not show the armata on any parade ,if it looks like an unfinished tank. Because instead of impressing the world.. it will only provoke well deserved jokes.

 But Russia Government have their own very bad soviet habits of not caring for the appearance of things most of the times.. about how it matters too.. for sales and psicological impact too. and being more worried about functionality ,durability and price.Their pak-fa looks like an unfinished next generation stealth plane and i will not expect any better from their armata.. wonder if they bother to cover the sides at least with something and add some paint.

Im not surprised in any way ,that the first images of armata fails to impress ..maybe when it goes into production they will finish it.. and do something nicer.

On a side note.. if that is indeed armata. main battle tank.. wouldn't that means the tank will be
very vulnerable from the sides like their T-72 and only reactive armor be slapped there
to cover the lack of armor in the sides?

Hardly wait to see this tank on parade with all armor placed on their places.

KomissarBojanchev wrote:Thank god the turret isn't the retarded general dynamics stryker MGS-esque EGT piece of shit.

Looks like there's a bustle. This also means that the turret will have heavy armor and surface area for installing additional weapons. So much for garry's talk about the complete unimportance of turret equipment and armor for the armata.

The bustle is small, even smaller than the T-90SM's. Watch the video, as Armata passes you get a good look at just how narrow the turret and bustle is. My theory is that only the ammo for the turret mounted secondary weapons is stored there. Which means turret cheek armor isn't necessary. IMO, the turret is shaped and the layout is similar to KBTM's model, but it isn't going to be as "clean"

In the video, the protrusions in the tarp around the turret ring look like they may conceal a drozd type APS very similar to what's on Object 195.



Oh, and revealed on a dashcam video at the famous tank crossing...

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https://www.russiadefence.net/viewtopic.forum?t=7332

Russia’s Armata Tank on Par With US Abrams and German Leopard

Russia's innovative T-14 Armata tank can compete with the US M1A2 Abrams and the German Leopard 2, a Chinese media source claims.

Russia's new tank, the T-14 Armata, that will make its first official appearance at Moscow's May 9 Victory Day parade, can compete equally with the US M1A2 Abrams and the German Leopard 2, a Chinese media source pointed out.

The much-anticipated 5th generation innovative battle vehicle was developed by the Uralvagonzavod Research and Production Corporation and combined the most advanced developments in the design and construction of heavy armored platforms. The multipurpose vehicle will be produced as a battle tank T-14, an infantry fighting vehicle, a combat engineering vehicle, a tank support combat vehicle and a self-propelled artillery platform. The Armata Universal Combat Platform is also designed to be used as sophisticated air defense and nuclear-biological-chemical (NBC) defense systems.

The T-14 battle tank is equipped with an unmanned remotely controlled turret armed with a new generation 125mm smoothbore cannon — the 2A82-1M. The new 2A82-1M gun boasts 15 to 20 percent improved accuracy compared with the T-90's 2A46M canon. It has also outstripped the German Leopard 2 A6's 120mm gun in muzzle velocity. Reportedly, the T-14 might also be armed with a specially designed 152mm cannon, the most powerful gun ever carried by a main battle tank.

Remarkably, the armored platform's turret carries a 30mm machine cannon capable of neutralizing low-flying aerial targets, such as drones and helicopters, while its 12.7mm heavy machine gun could be used for both attacking enemy infantry and intercepting shells and anti-tank missiles approaching at speeds up to 3,000 meters per second.

The designers also developed a multi-layer armored capsule for the Armata's crew. It should also be noted that the multipurpose vehicle is fully computerized.

The Russian army will reportedly receive around 2,300 T-14 battle tanks by 2020, equipping up to 70 percent of its tank fleet with innovative battle vehicles.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/analysis/20150324/1019956133.html#ixzz3VLGK31fC

LOL.

On par with old ass Abrams and Leo2.

That's rich.