Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

The syrian coast isn't big. Put there 10 pantsir and 5 or 6 buk to cover it in a line of defence instead of puting everything in the mountains. They make really bad decisions.

There are israeli ELINT flying everydays near syria. Shoot them all. Even if I think it is a good opportunity to destroy israeli air force with a coordinated attack of hubdreds of missiles.

Israel is a paper tiger nation and it will not hold a candle to the Russian army in a full deployment in Syria.. it will depend 100% on US and NATO For help in case of a limited conflict against Russia. Even Iran will beat Israel in a land war ,if they both meet in the Syrian desert.. US will have to use nukes to keep IRAN from capturing Israel if a full scale force of IRANIAN troops were all deployed in Syria.


RT is saying that the MOD is reporting that Israel used a cover a Russian ILL20 plane to fend off attacks from S-200s missiles fired at Israel planes that attacked Syria again ,this time near Russian base.. So Israel intentionally ambushed a Russian plane into its own destruction killing a dozen of serviceman including women.. make no mistake this was an act of war... against Russia ,even worse than Turkey attack on Russian plane.. because Israel is bombing near Russian base and intentionally provoked the shutdown of a Russian cargo plane,... in my opinion this ambush on a Russian plane had to be planned weeks with US and UK and carefully studied . even CNN knew of the plane shot down right when it happened.. It looks to me that Israel intentions is to get US an France into attacking Syria ,trying to lead their assault.. they did it in the previous cruise missile attack.. they are bombing Syria every week , for 2 -3 days but with big pauses..between attacks... and more importantly Israel is upping their provocation against Russia ,bombing close to Russia military base.. which is a clear message to Russia to leave or else get their soldiers killed.

Vann7 wrote:Israel is a paper tiger nation and it will not hold a candle to the Russian army in a full deployment in Syria.. it will depend 100% on US and NATO For help in case of a limited conflict against Russia. Even Iran will beat Israel in a land war ,if they both meet in the Syrian desert.. US will have to use nukes to keep IRAN from capturing Israel if a full scale force of IRANIAN troops were all deployed in Syria.


RT is saying that the MOD is reporting that Israel used a cover a Russian ILL20 plane to fend off attacks from S-200s missiles fired at Israel planes that attacked Syria again ,this time near Russian base.. So Israel intentionally ambushed a Russian plane into its own destruction killing a dozen of serviceman including women.. make no mistake this was an act of war... against Russia ,even worse than Turkey attack on Russian plane.. because Israel is bombing near Russian base and intentionally provoked the shutdown of a Russian cargo plane,...  in my opinion this ambush on a Russian plane had to be planned weeks with US and UK and carefully studied . even CNN knew of the plane shot down right when it happened.. It looks to me that Israel intentions is to get US an France into attacking Syria ,trying to lead their assault.. they did it in the previous cruise missile attack.. they are bombing Syria every week , for 2 -3 days but with big pauses..between attacks... and more importantly Israel is upping their provocation against Russia ,bombing close to Russia military base.. which is a clear message to Russia to leave or else get their soldiers killed.

strange view of facts..

Partisangirl:

A rather convoluted tale about an Israeli F-16 hiding in the shadow of a much slower #Russia-n spy plane. You think that a spy/reconnaissance plane wouldn't see it an F-16 right next to it and report it to air defence systems? It's a spy plane. https://t.co/9h2kVLUZMS

— Partisangirl

After a few hours of consideration #Russia decided to swallow the US's lie so they don't have to retaliate. #Syria https://t.co/PiRDuHh2p0

— Partisangirl

When #Russia tells #israel they "reserve the right to retaliate" it means "We know it was you Israel, we're gonna pretend it wasn't this time, but next time we will retaliate, don't see this as weekness, be afraid and don't attack again" #Syria https://t.co/9Oxpf4TQC2

— Partisangirl

#Russia-n MOD: "#Israel is responsible for downing our plane, but we won't admit to an extent where we have to do something about it, instead we will say they were responsibility but indirectly." https://t.co/pXLZGrODaI

— Partisangirl

I see Russia and Putin losing a lot of supporters such as Partisangirl due to this.

Nobody wants to support a loser and a coward. Nobody wants to support someone who pretends to believe enemy lies to save own face.

It's not an awacs. If the f-16 had its radar turned off it won't see it. If you look at the map the f-16 was far from ground based radar and if flying low as stated by russian MoD it couldn't be tracked. It was attacking with bombs not missiles so it pop up at the last moment and launched its bombs. Wheb doung this he was probably close to the shores and high altitude.

Max range us 110km for gbu 39 which is for very high launch at max speed. If the f-16 has launched it from under the 5km altitude that the il-20 was flying it means its range was close to the 40-50 km and it could easily hide behind the il-20 after that.

If he used it at max range he would have been destroyed by s-200 from 110km away while flying at 18km in altitude.

So that was a coordinated attack of israeli to use the il-20 and now they are blaming iran and syria.

Never thought I'd say this but I would not be sad to see a military coup in Russia. Let the generals run the country.

BBC Monitoring
‏Verified account @BBCMonitoring
1h1 hour ago

President Putin attributes the downing of the plane to "tragic, accidental circumstances" and says the incident is different to the shooting down of a Russian bomber by Turkey in 2015

From the BBC

In a rare statement detailing its operations over Syria, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said: "Israel expresses sorrow for the deaths of the aircrew members of the Russian plane that was downed due to Syrian anti-aircraft fire. "Israel holds the Assad regime, whose military shot down the Russian plane, fully responsible for this incident."

The statement also laid blame on Iran and the Lebanese Shia militant group, Hezbollah, two other allies of the Syrian government.

The Israeli government is concerned by what it calls Iran's "military entrenchment" in Syria, as well as shipments of Iranian weapons to the Hezbollah.

The IDF said its jets were targeting Syrian military facilities "from which systems to manufacture accurate and lethal weapons were about to be transferred on behalf of Iran to Hezbollah in Lebanon".

The statement also addressed a Russian allegation that Israeli planes had "used the Russian airplane as a cover", putting it "in the line of fire coming from Syrian air defence systems".

The IDF said: "During the strike against the target in Latakia, the Russian plane that was then hit was not within the area of the operation... when the Syrian army launched the missiles that hit the Russian plane, (Israeli) jets were already within Israeli airspace."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45563304

Pardon my French, but what a major cl*sterf*ck....

RIP

Ignore what Putin told to the press.. of "chain of mistake".. or "Accident"


The Russian military words and Russian media is all full guns against israel.. preparing Russian citizens
,warning Russian citizens ,of the possibility of a major conflict between Russia and Israel ,after Israel indirectly or directly cause the destruction of a Russian plane with 15 serviceman.. Israel was called shameless... by the commander of Syria operations of Russian forces... and Shoigu also blamed Israel for the plane..

Only Putin is speaking in a different tone..  SO either Putin is facing major disagreements with Russia military,
or Is all Planned that way to Confuse Israel.. about Russia real policies now , rules of engagement..
in one hand Putin accept it was an accident in the other hand Russia military and Russian media like vesti news
blame Israel..



If i were to guess Putin statement was only to gain time , to evaluate any response towards israel..
Because the Russian like Vesti will not promote a hostile line against Israel if Putin ordered to tone down
the incident as an accident.  In more news.. US warships and German warships are joining French Frigate ,
it seems NATO is preparing for a major new attack against Syria.. So the danger for Russian forces
and Syria are far from over.. My guess is Russian government through Russian media is preparing
Russian citizens for a major conflict between Russia and Israel.. in near future.. and so is being explained
how is very possible a military confrontation ..

Well, Putin DID state he agreed with what his ministry of defense said and approved of their message before release. So I am assuming Putin is attempting to play Good cop/Bad Cop with the Jews and is really pissed beyond words but is forced to say something nice cause if he says anything now, before any adjustments are made to the base, they could be sitting ducks.

Indeed, what a clusterf this is.

miketheterrible wrote:Well, Putin DID state he agreed with what his ministry of defense said and approved of their message before release.  So I am assuming Putin is attempting to play Good cop/Bad Cop with the Jews and is really pissed beyond words but is forced to say something nice cause if he says anything now, before any adjustments are made to the base, they could be sitting ducks.

Indeed, what a clusterf this is.

The night could be very loud in Israel today or tmr. They can play their game and make a surprise attack just like jews do everytime. The military seems to want very hard action against israel. Putin can't be against all the army. That's insane for him. What israeli think and relations with them are far less important than what russian think.

When it comes to the rest of the world, no country said they should keep calm. I think most of them would agree for a russian counterattack. Even US said they are not planing to change anything to their forces in ME after that incident. Looks like they are bored of Israel.

Fuck I just saw today is YomKippur I don't need to develop this reference

I would imagine right now Israel will be thinking twice about doing another attack using aircraft. As they likely know that Russian will now be planning a similar revenge attack. S-400 will likely get to claim a few victims. Or Su-35 will see some action.

There was a Sputnik news article about losses of aircraft in syria.

"Russia has lost 11 aircraft, including three Su-24 attack jets, one Su-33 and one MiG-29 fighter jet, as well as five helicopters during its campaign in Syria.

Five of the aircraft were not engaged in combat, but crashed because of technical faults."

I can't remember what the the other one Su-24 were destroyed by anyone shed some light. I necessary shot down (turkey) and one crashed during take off.

The best form of response to this sort of cowardly Jew knife-in-the-back shit is to perform a pivot towards Iran and publicly bolster and support their presence in Syria.  Sure, one could bring down a Jew aircraft or two, but what does that accomplish?  You need to hit the filthy Zio-orcs right where it hurts - by enhancing Irans power and status.

Zio filth need to PAY for this transgression.  This sort of shit can't go down without the monkeys in Tel Aviv feeling some real pain where it matters most.  

When dealing with Israel, one must remember you're not just dealing with their limited military, but also a nuclear arsenal of unknown size and the unconditional backing of the US military. One must also recall that you're dealing with a bunch of inbred genocidal freaks who have about as much tact as a bull in a china shop. These people generally stop at nothing to achieve their aims, and most of these aims are fundamentally religious in nature. They will not hesitate in beginning a 3rd World War if they think it will result in the fulfillment of some rediculous prophesy.

OminousSpudd wrote:When dealing with Israel, one must remember you're not just dealing with their limited military, but also a nuclear arsenal of unknown size and the unconditional backing of the US military. One must also recall that you're dealing with a bunch of inbred genocidal freaks who have about as much tact as a bull in a china shop. These people generally stop at nothing to achieve their aims, and most of these aims are fundamentally religious in nature. They will not hesitate in beginning a 3rd World War if they think it will result in the fulfillment of some rediculous prophesy.

This is basically right, and is what most of the people in the world is thinking today.

Then, what must be done?

The rest of the world must leave them to achieve their goals unopposed?

This unlikely, and who opposes them the right way will win the support of a big majority of the people in the world.

OminousSpudd wrote:When dealing with Israel, one must remember you're not just dealing with their limited military, but also a nuclear arsenal of unknown size and the unconditional backing of the US military. One must also recall that you're dealing with a bunch of inbred genocidal freaks who have about as much tact as a bull in a china shop. These people generally stop at nothing to achieve their aims, and most of these aims are fundamentally religious in nature. They will not hesitate in beginning a 3rd World War if they think it will result in the fulfillment of some rediculous prophesy.

Agree 100%, and that is why this despotic little shitty nation needs to be crushed. It's a frigging cancer cell, nourished by Uncle Scam, and if we allow it to metaxasize, it will cause suffering on a massive scale. Goddamn the feckless British Empire with their disgraceful Balfour Declaration and their abject cowardice in combating Jewish terrorism at the end of the Mandate.

Article to wind up all you 'Russia must do something' guys out there.

http://johnhelmer.org/?p=17934#more-17934

Uptick is very little will change. Just note this comment, from the article

(after the An-26 accident) In March Putin publicized his agreement with Shoigu on wind shear; on Tuesday he kept secret his refusal to agree with Shoigu on Israel.

Putin’s answer yesterday is the only one the Israelis accept. Dismissing the Russian General Staff and Defence Minister in the confidence that Putin controls them, Haaretz editorialized: “In Rush to Blame Israel for Downed Plane Near Latakia, Russia May Be Conducting Face-saving Op… Israel may now have to lay low for a while and let Russian pride recover.”



However there is a slight chance of a positive US move but that may be clutching at straws. This is ZH this morning

President Trump indicated that a decision on the future of US policy in Syria is coming soon in remarks made at a press conference with his Polish counterpart. Speaking alongside President Andrzej Duda, Trump said the Monday night downing of a Russian maritime surveillance plane by accidental Syrian friendly fire was "a very sad thing". Trump's remarks did not include criticism of Putin, and seemed to signal regret over Monday night's dramatic escalation over Syria after a massive Israeli attack.

Earlier in the day Tuesday, Russia had pointed the finger at Israel for purposefully provoking the mishap, something Israel has since denied in a military statement that ultimately put blame on Assad, Iran, and Hezbollah.

Trump also said that the US fight against ISIS in Syria could end soon: “We’re very close to being finished with that job,” he said of the Pentagon mission against ISIS. He followed with: “And then we’re going to make a determination as to what we’re going to do.”

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-18/trump-says-expect-decision-future-us-role-syria-soon-russian-plane-downing-very-sad

We are not pulling out of Syria, people need to give up on that notion it's not happening anytime soon. We set up shop there to stay, we have Syria's vital oil fields we aren't giving those back period.

The problem with doing nothing is you are setting the standard it's okay to use Russians has human shields, at this point unless you directly attack the base you are pretty much free to start gunning Russians down in Syria, that is not a standard I would want to set.

You can all argue you but it's truth, why do you think the Isreali pilot used that 20 has a shield? because he knew he would get away with it. He could have bailed from the airplane but no his F-16 was more valuable than a Russian plane and 15 of its servicemen's lives.

So you let them get away with it again and again and again and now Isreal goes and uses your guys has a shield laughing their asses off cause they know they can do it and it will be fine.

The loss of that airplane could have been prevented had Russia made it clear attacks on their men will be answered and because they aren't no one cares if they kill Russians now and why would they? it's free game. It matters not to me how many Russians go home in body bags, and more will be going home in them now.

There is a difference between a death that could not be avoided and deaths that can be most of the Deaths of the Russians in Syria could have been avoided had the leadership done it's job. In the end is what it is.

Yep, many battles are lost but the overall war is being won. Exactly the contrary to what happens with US... differences in capacity to devise a working strategy matter, not only sheer fire power and readiness to use it.

LMFS wrote:Yep, many battles are lost but the overall war is being won. Exactly the contrary to what happens with US... differences in capacity to devise a working strategy matter, not only sheer fire power and readiness to use it.

War is being won huh? Syria will remain spilt in half, they will not get their prized oil fields.

Until Ero is gone Syria will not get back the land they control,

The war is won in that Assad isn't going and some objectives for Syria cannot be completed now.

But Assad did not totally win the war he lost like half the war so did Russia and win the other half, same for us we win half and lost half of the war. If you wanna call that total victory be my guest but it's a half glass full situation at best but to be fair to Assad There wasn't much he could do sides that.

The loss of that airplane could have been prevented had Russia made it clear attacks on their men will be answered and because they aren't no one cares if they kill Russians now and why would they? it's free game. It matters not to me how many Russians go home in body bags, and more will be going home in them now.

There is a difference between a death that could not be avoided and deaths that can be most of the Deaths of the Russians in Syria could have been avoided had the leadership done it's job. In the end is what it is.

Don't confuse the politicians and the militaries. If it was up to generals there would have been russian nuks in syria and israel would have never crossed the border. And those guys would have been revanged. But Putin and the politicians want good relations ...

Yep, many battles are lost but the overall war is being won. Exactly the contrary to what happens with US... differences in capacity to devise a working strategy matter, not only sheer fire power and readiness to use it.

US don't care about wining in syria. Neither in iraq. They just bring destruction, take what they want and go away. What did they win in iraq since 2003 ? Nothing. But most of the ressources are exploited by them.

They don't care about civils or local government. They will use those kurds as much as they can and throw them in garbage like they did wwith most south american people, iraqi, south vietnamies ...

SeigSoloyvov wrote:We are not pulling out of Syria, people need to give up on that notion it's not happening anytime soon. We set up shop there to stay, we have Syria's vital oil fields we aren't giving those back period.

The problem with doing nothing is you are setting the standard it's okay to use Russians has human shields, at this point unless you directly attack the base you are pretty much free to start gunning Russians down in Syria, that is not a standard I would want to set.

You can all argue you but it's truth, why do you think the Isreali pilot used that 20 has a shield? because he knew he would get away with it. He could have bailed from the airplane but no his F-16 was more valuable than a Russian plane and 15 of its servicemen's lives.

So you let them get away with it again and again and again and now Isreal goes and uses your guys has a shield laughing their asses off cause they know they can do it and it will be fine.

The loss of that airplane could have been prevented had Russia made it clear attacks on their men will be answered and because they aren't no one cares if they kill Russians now and why would they? it's free game. It matters not to me how many Russians go home in body bags, and more will be going home in them now.

There is a difference between a death that could not be avoided and deaths that can be most of the Deaths of the Russians in Syria could have been avoided had the leadership done it's job. In the end is what it is.

You are forgetting that even Russian patience have limits.. and Israel continues to show total disrespect for
the lives of Russia military . Then it will be a matter of small time.. days or weeks.. that israel will get their ass kicked in Syria by Russia interference.. and Russia will say it was self defense.. So don't underestimate Russia ,
is what im saying .. Because Even Americans don't do it.. Technically speaking ,Russia have the military capabilities to flatern all Israel completely in a surprise attack , without leaving a single military base or nuclear storage place
standing.. even Just 2 cruise missiles that hit 2 nuclear reactors in israel.. will be enough to stop the Israel project..
the radiation that will spread ,will be chernoville again x 10.. and the wind will spread it across all israel.. and
the mass exodus of Jews from israel with paralize completely israel economy in a matter of days . effectively the death of the nation..  So keep that in mind.. Israel is like a giant with a base in glass.. you break the base and the entire thing collapse. So Israel is very vulnerable country , much more than Syria is.. because of their own nuclear reactors are time bombs , in such small territory. ..can be used against them.. so it was a terrible idea to have them in such small territory .  This is why Israel is afraid of Iran *conventional missiles* program.. because all Iran/hezbolah needs to do to defeat Israel state is destroy their nuclear reactors.. and wait the nation disintegrate after the radiation spread all telaviv.. with the exodus of Jews from the country.

So Is not the way you made it look.. Russia patience have limits.. and if Israel target Russia military base is game over for Israel.. Russia response will be catastrophic to Israel.. because it will defacto be act of ultimate war ,that was carefully planned regardless of the consequences..   Even Israel media headlines is scared.. which usually praise israel airforce attacks on Syria.. and rejecting the policies of Netanyahu of provoking Russia.. So don't underestimate Russia.. Putin is very practical person.. If they see war with israel can't be avoided..impossible to avoid and need to face it ..and the future of Russia military operations in Syria or anywhere at risk , they will Hit israel very hard with comparable damage (at least) , to the one they have caused to Russia and Syria and with total readyness to completely destroy Israel ,if they target Russia main land with their nukes.

So Israeli fanboys let them celebrate.. the best thing to happen to stop israel ,is to make them believe
in the myth of invincibility.. thats when their military will do catastrophic mistakes ,that will cause the
end of their nation.

So don't underestimate Russia patience and their capabilities to fight back.  Even idiots like Putin have limits their patience ,and when the patience is over , the Russian missiles will fly in Israel direction. And after Trump last statements.. instead of standing firm with israel or right to bomb Syria whatever it wants..and accuse Russia of being responsible for the down of the plane.. he sided with Russia.. So this for me , was a clear message ,at least from Trump.. that if israel start a war with Russia.. he will do everything to stay away from it.. So israel will be on his own.. if gets beaten badly by Russia.. if retaliates in self defense. Just 1 nuclear detonation in Golan heights
at israeli army positions there will pacify ,the arrogants jews.. seeking to destroy the government of Russia and Syria..  They will respect force.. trust me about that.. even animals respect force. and will run away ,when beaten.

If Putin had no patience, and defended more his ego and image , regardless of strategy .. then it will have been impossible for Russia to save Syria.. that is to fight ISIS and Alqaeda + israel + nato at the same time.. it will have been incredibly expensive war...and sink Russia economy (which is what Obama was aiming in first place by provoking Russia into invade)..

Once Idlib Rebels from NATO are completely disarmed by Turkey.. and US,UK and Israel lose any capability to hit Russia with rebels in IDLIB .. Russia will be in a position to aim their guns to another front line and focus in Israel or NATO airforces and warships this time.. it will be a totally different conflict for sure.. and Russia will have the
international Public Opinion in their side.. that is very important too.  is highly underestimated.. i have seen more than often  Americans citizens saying that if Russia is forced to a war ,that they only hope Russia only destroy Washington DC.. or others saying they will not mind Russia to bomb to hell ,any americans in Syria aiding ISIS.
that they are traitors.. so public opinion should not be under estimated either. it times of full scale wars , civilians
can make the difference between a civil war removing a corrupt government by force or not.. and mass desertions in the military.. joining one side or the other.. A full scale civil war with people armed opposing their government ,can do more destruction and damage than a 100 megaton nuclear warhead .

What Russia should be doing is ensure ,work harder to protect their serviceman ,because what they have been
doing is not enough.. while at the same time be prepared now for real to strike Israel back ,if do another stupid thing.. and cause the lives of Russian soldiers.