Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #7

here are some BOSS strikes, btw. the last half is syrian BM-30 working in jobar not airstrikes

NationalRus wrote:its more symbolic then anything else, also they can conduct ground attacks, turkey is not scared of 4 more fighter jets... turkey has a fucking strong airforce even if they were pak-fa's if they were already in production it wouldn't scare them. a committed attack even with s-400 support wouldent stop turkey even one bit, and i mean committed and pre-planned at HQ not a "provocation".
so come down your saberratling and look at it realistic, their is no full fledged air war starting not even close

You are completely Ignoring something.
Russia Rules of Engagement.

Allows Turkey Airforce to freely fly over its own airspace withing combat distance.
Because Russia is not yet officially at war with Turkey ,Turkey can fly at all those F-16 planes.
near Syrian border ,giving them a huge first shot advantage .Because Russia cannot target Turkey planes on its territory. because again of its Rules of engagement.  
But if Russia was at war with Turkey ,all the crap you told ,that S-400s cannot stop Turkey attacks is just pure rubbish and bullshit. Russia can declare a no fly zone beyond the combat radius of any Turkey Airforce and neutralize that country in less than one hour.  

Said in other words ,if you reverse things.. lets say Russia is committed to attack Turkey first.
they can destroy all Turkey "powerful airfoce" in minutes with a first massive strike attack of cruise missiles armed with small nuclear warheads. just enough to destroy a military base.

So Turkey "Powerful Airforce" ,just like the Israeli One will become a pile of dust in minutes ,
if Russia was really committed to it to completely neutralize Turkey Airforce before
any combat start.

So Erdogan in Turkey is merely taking advantage precisely of Putins Rules of engagement that are dangerous ,because Allows Turkey to fly close to combat range of Russian airforce. This have nothing to do with S-400s capabilities idiot. but with Limitations of Russian Government politics. Whether this Rules are good or bad for Russia is another discussion.. It could be either way ,but it depends of how much Americans are committed to push Turkey into a war with Russia.  Turkey alone without political support of US and cheerleading of NATO propaganda secretary will not be able to continue its hostilities against Russia knowing will be alone and on
its own.

This is the same reason why Syria capable airdefences have not shot down any israeli plane or American plane, not because planes 35 year old planes like  F-16 are untouchable. but instead because Syria rules of engagement is to avoid war ,whenever it is possible and focus on the fight against terrorist in Syria. But if a full scale war start , Syria and Russia will pass from defensive to offense and either Turkey and Israel will have to retreat to avoid Russian lethal air defenses. and Russia airforce.  i don't think Israel stand a chance in a direct fight with Russia for having such small territory ,that a simple nuke can wipe. but Turkey even though is big ,will still be unable to fight Russia in Syria ,if Russia change its rules and declare wars against turkey.
then you my friend will see that S-400s will not be needed at all. Russian cruise missiles will small nuclear warheads will wipe all Turkey military bases and will not have a chance its "powerful airforce" to even fight. Russia will bomb turkey left and right with cruise missiles that will destroy all its military bases and thats when they will see they are in a big shit and will need
to start talking about peace and cooperation. Again Turkey "powerful airforce" can only operate
because Russia allows it. But make no mistake , if Russia was really committed to destroy Turkey , it will lose all its airforce withing hours and Americans or NATO will do nothing.

in short you are wrong dude..  you are confusing Politics with military capabilities of Russia.. S-400s only works if the are used. if they dont used ,they cant do anything. and if Russia allows its enemies to get withing range of combat ,then is taking a big risk of allowing its enemies to do the first shot. this is all about Rules of Engament what Turkey took advantage
and allowed them to shot down one Russian Bomber. But lets see if Turkey can do that if Russia
understand war cannot be avoided and takes the decision to do a first preventive nuclear attack on all Turkey military installations. ?

and if it was about a duel of airforce vs airforce ,Russia will also destroy Turkey and Israel airforces combined. You will not be able to fight with a powerful Airforce backed by S-400s punching your planes from beyond its combat range.

Turkey "Capabilities" that you talk about is nothing but Rules of engagement that Russia adopted and are dangerous for their security ,with the only advantage that it have a small chance that can avoid a big war. Turkey "powerful airforce" is nothing but Russia allowing Turkey to get very close to them ,with Americans radars and Awacs helping them to ambush and attack Russia from behind (when Russia busy fighting terrorist)  .

if Russia really was committed to destroy Turkey military and airforce ,its powerful Missiles Forces or its airforce can destroy Turkey military and its airforce in less than one hour. and i will say minutes. Just 2-3 preventive big nuclear attacks on Turkey will totally neutralize Erdogan will to continue hostilities against Russia.  knowing they will be completely destroyed if continue provoking Russia.  Israel is even more weaker ,in the other have ,just one nuclear strike will be enough to completely disable its airforce and that government will to fight.

Lets see what will happen if a real war started and Russia its committed to destroy Turkey.
and deploy more S-400s in Syria. none of Turkey Airforce will have a chance to ever ever close
to Russian airforce, Russian air defenses will simply overwhelm "turkey powerful airforce".
without a chance to fight. that will be really embarrassing . S-400s advantages to keep the enemy far away are not being used ,and used for purely defensive purposes , only will be used if
Russia attacked first ,takes the ice of the cake. of how much Russia allows Turkey to coordinate
any hostilities against them ,for the sake of finishing first the fight against the terrorist in Syria.

The same is true for American airforce. Americans only fly in Syria because Russia and Syria
allows it. and not because their airforces are untouchable by Russian/Syria planes or air defenses.

NationalRus wrote:its more symbolic then anything else, also they can conduct ground attacks, turkey is not scared of 4 more fighter jets... turkey has a fucking strong airforce even if they were pak-fa's if they were already in production it wouldn't scare them. a committed attack even with s-400 support wouldent stop turkey even one bit, and i mean committed and pre-planned at HQ not a "provocation".
so come down your saberratling and look at it realistic, their is no full fledged air war starting not even close

TurAF is strong? Really? TurAF is a second rate airforce, with no projection power. They can become a PITA over Syria, but if we go down the "HQ" ready attack, TurAF will be backed by NATO, thus we'll enter WW3, not some minor skirmish over a proxy war. And if somehow Turkey is given the Godfather's kiss over Syria and let to square it with Russia, I give Eastern Turkey Installations less than 2 weeks of utility between Tochka's, X-55/101's, Klub/Kalibr's and if really Russia meant it Iskanders. IF it goes there, I see no issue for the US accepting a limited asswhooping of Turkish forces, in order to bring them back to sanity, after all the US administration of now has 10 months to bring reason to Anatolia before the next retards at the White House go all out and brand Erdogogol personna non grata and we have a colored Revolution.

Turkey is da real Paper Tiger, they know it, Russia knows it and NATO knows it. So really they should watch themselves before they wreck themselves. It's not brash Russian Vatnikism, it's the way it is. Turkey stands no fucking chance alone.

NationalRus wrote:its more symbolic then anything else, also they can conduct ground attacks, turkey is not scared of 4 more fighter jets... turkey has a fucking strong airforce even if they were pak-fa's if they were already in production it wouldn't scare them. a committed attack even with s-400 support wouldent stop turkey even one bit, and i mean committed and pre-planned at HQ not a "provocation".
so come down your saberratling and look at it realistic, their is no full fledged air war starting not even close

Well, of course not. If there really was war cooking then we would be checking out hardware movements north of Turkey not south.

These Su-35s are just another interesting ingredient in a very exciting dish, that is all.

Also, Kurds are about to start plunging Azaz so VKS wants some extra birds up there to remind turks not to do anything dumber than usual.

And now it's official: http://www.rbc.ru/politics/01/02/2016/56ae95c29a7947ebb4b4882f

T-90 with coaxial M2

How the they feed the M2? Looks absurdly stressful to the barrel.

JohninMK wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:How the they feed the M2? Looks absurdly stressful to the barrel.

What would a 'lash it up' local know about stress? If it fits, fit it.

yeah, but it actually doesn't fit.

There's a mount on the Merkava and M1A2 for that purpose, it's not braced to the damn barrel.

Also they can use the Turret to weld a moint just over the laser warning boxes. Or even fix a T-72 hatch mount on the other hatch instead of basically denying the biggest asset of the T90 which is the newer barrels.
Whatever.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:How the they feed the M2? Looks absurdly stressful to the barrel.

What would a 'lash it up' local know about stress? If it fits, fit it.

yeah, but it actually doesn't fit.

There's a mount on the Merkava and M1A2 for that purpose, it's not braced to the damn barrel.

Also they can use the Turret to weld a moint just over the laser warning boxes. Or even fix a T-72 hatch mount on the other hatch instead of basically denying the biggest asset of the T90 which is the newer barrels.
Whatever.

I dont think its very stresssful for the barrel, however i dont find it very useful whatsoever. It should have been just welded to the turret somewhere so that they can actually use the damn thing.

Turkish artillery firing at Syrian territory. Video by Russian MoD.



I guess they were trying to hit this artillery piece.

Russian Warplanes Destroy Over 1,300 Terrorist Targets in Syria in One Week

Russian warplanes have carried out 468 sorties, destroying over 1,300 terrorist targets in eight Syrian provinces in one week, the Russian Defense Ministry said Monday.

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160201/1034033233/russian-warplanes-1300-terrorist-targets.html

"Over the past week, Russian warplanes carried out 468 sorties in the Syrian Arab Republic, including 24 combat missions conducted by long-range Tu-22M3 bombers," Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov said.

According to the Russian Defense Ministry spokesman, 1,354 terrorist targets have been destroyed in Syria's provinces of Aleppo, Latakia, Hama, Homs, Damascus, Raqqa, Daraa and Deir ez-Zor.

Russian long-range aviation thwarted a terrorist offensive in Syrian city of Deir ez-Zor, Konashenkov said.

"Long-range bomber aircraft units supported the Syrian government troops defending the city Deir ez-Zor. Twenty three major terrorist targets were destroyed in the region as a result of airstrikes conducted by Tu-22M3 bombers flying in from Russia and task air force from the Hmeymim airbase. An attempt of a terrorist offensive in the Deir ez-Zor has been thwarted."

Moreover, Russian aviation foiled a terrorists' attempt to carry out a counter attack against Syrian government troops in the Daraa province. "As a result, 17 off-road vehicles with heavy weapons were destroyed, as well as over 50 terrorists"

Russian aviation destroyed a Jaysh al-Islam militant-controlled fuel depot in the Damascus province, as well as a Daesh-controlled fuel depot in the province of Aleppo, and a terrorist oil refinery in the Daesh's stronghold of Raqqa.

"In the region of Jubb Ghabsha in the province of Aleppo, a Su-24M bomber destroyed Daesh terrorist depots with armament and fuel."

Daesh has cut militants' salaries by a third due to declining income from illegal oil sales to Turkey, the Russian Defense Ministry said Monday.

"Due to a significant decrease in revenues from illegal oil sales to Turkey, Daesh leadership cut militants' payments by a third last week, which has already led to significant problems in recruiting and forming new militant groups," ministry spokesman Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov said.

Russian jets destroyed a terrorist training camp with fighters from CIS countries who had arrived in Syria via the Turkish territory, he said.

According to Konashenkov, "a field terrorist camp with fighters arriving via Turkey from CIS countries was set up, according to information received from members of Syrian opposition."

"As a result of a Su-24 airstrike, a field camp, as well as over 20 militants were destroyed," ministry spokesman Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov said.

He added that the Syrian army continues to advance in montainous Latakia with the support of Russian Su-24M bombers.

Peaceful life return to the city of Salma in the Latakia province after it had been liberated by Syrian government forces, he said.

Russia delivered more than 200 tons of provisions and medication in January to the Syrian city of Deir az-Zor besieged by Daesh terrorists, Igor Konashenkov said, adding that the aid had been airdropped by Syrian aircraft.

As many as 400,000 Syrian civilians have been trapped in the besieged cities of Deir az-Zor, Madaya, Foah and Kafraya for months, suffering from severe malnutrition, according to the United Nations data.

Russia has been intensifying all means of reconnaissance in the Middle East to defeat terrorists, Konashenkov added.

"In order to increase the speed of revealing terrorist facilities and their exact definition and coordinates, we have increased all types of reconnaissance in the Middle East. This will allow to uncover new militant targets and help in their destruction practically in real time."

sepheronx wrote:I would be tickled pink if MiG-29SMT's are sent to Syria as well.  Or even M2's.

Well apparently there's been some reports that Russia has been upgrading Syrian Mig-29 to SMT standard, only time well tell if this is proven accurate:

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fbmpd.livejournal.com%2F1711930.html&edit-text=&act=url

BM-21 GRAD ‏@bm21_grad Jan 29
Picture taken somewhere in Latakia - Syrians and Russians. Very interesting



Ivan Sidorenko ‏@IvanSidorenko1 Jan 27
#Syria #Qamishli #Russian #Russia Officers & Soldiers have been on a Reconnaissance tour with #NDF.


https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/692444062356480000

Zivo wrote:

T-90 with coaxial M2

It annoys me no end that these things are obviously seeing action but we're yet to get any video footage.

Video from Hmeymim starting from 0:40. Su-35S are there too (1:25).

 

Ukraine plans to join fight against Isis means troops could come up against Russian forces in Syria

Any troop deployment into Syria would be controversial in Kiev, not to mention in Europe

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-plans-to-join-fight-against-isis-means-troops-could-come-up-against-russian-forces-in-syria-a6845336.html

Ukraine has drawn up plans for a potential military contribution to the fight against Isis in Syria in a move that could also pit its troops against Russian forces in the Middle East.

An options paper drawn up by Ukraine’s defence ministry is to be discussed this week during a visit by US Defence Secretary Ash Carter, who has been touring the world gathering support for the war against the extremist jihadist group.

According to those who have read it, the paper – produced at the behest of President Petro Poroshenko – highlights the possibility of Ukrainian forces coming up against Russian forces in Syria, and details potential contributions.

A Ukrainian government source said: “We have prepared a range of options for our support against Isis including in Syria, which could include troops. It could result in potential clashes with Russians.”

Ukraine’s battle-hardened armed forces would relish such an opportunity. Ukraine has four special-forces regiments and a further unit of its Defence Intelligence Department – a total of 7,000 troops. It also has highly capable airborne troops, part of a mobilised army numbering 200,000,   of which 40,000 are always on the country’s eastern front facing pro-Russian rebels.

In terms of Russian language skills and combating Russian tactics, Ukrainians are world leaders.    However, any troop deployment into Syria would be controversial in Kiev, and require a parliamentary vote, with some arguing that Ukraine needs to focus on the rebels who pose a continuing threat in its east, despite the current military deadlock. It might also prove controversial in Europe.

A senior military source in Ukraine’s capital said: “I would see a lot of hand wringing at Nato in Brussels.”

Drugs, not even once.