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    Post  Erk Mon Jan 11, 2016 9:48 pm

    BKP wrote:
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    Russia killed 792 civilians in Syria and helped displace 130,000: Reports

    Three months of Russian air strikes in Syria have killed more than 2,300 people, a third of them civilians, a monitoring group said on Wednesday. According to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, Moscow's strikes on Syria, which began in September, have killed 2,371 people so far. The toll includes 792 civilians, among them 180 children.

    http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/russian-strikes-killed-2300-people-helped-displace-130000-syria-reports-916379770#sthash.2fEjqtX8.QnvWhTON.dpuf

    Taking SOHR's numbers and adding a good 200 ISIS truck drivers (which are civvies) makes Russia's impact quite effective, with less than 25% innocent civilians dead. Given that this is a war mainly in urban environment, where rebels foolishly keep their families, kids, etc. or use other civvies and related infrastructure (markets, mosques) as human shields.

    Why would anyone take the claims by a UK based clown (the so-called "observatory") and his Wahabbi jehadi sources seriously?   This
    is the same spigot of excrement that claimed Ghouta was Assad's atrocity.   It was actually a jihadi false flag and these same jihadis
    are still using chemical weapons today.  

    Don't you love how a dude -- one guy who's not even there -- qualifies as an "observatory"? The only thing that still amazes me about Western propaganda is how blatant and sloppy it is now. They just don't give a shit about credibility any longer. I can only guess it's because they believe the capacity for discernment of the average person is completely negligible.

    You realize that SOHR counts the Syrian terrorist rebels killed as civilians in their warped statistics.

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    Post  Guest Mon Jan 11, 2016 10:11 pm

    Erk wrote:
    BKP wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    Russia killed 792 civilians in Syria and helped displace 130,000: Reports

    Three months of Russian air strikes in Syria have killed more than 2,300 people, a third of them civilians, a monitoring group said on Wednesday. According to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, Moscow's strikes on Syria, which began in September, have killed 2,371 people so far. The toll includes 792 civilians, among them 180 children.

    http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/russian-strikes-killed-2300-people-helped-displace-130000-syria-reports-916379770#sthash.2fEjqtX8.QnvWhTON.dpuf

    Taking SOHR's numbers and adding a good 200 ISIS truck drivers (which are civvies) makes Russia's impact quite effective, with less than 25% innocent civilians dead. Given that this is a war mainly in urban environment, where rebels foolishly keep their families, kids, etc. or use other civvies and related infrastructure (markets, mosques) as human shields.

    Why would anyone take the claims by a UK based clown (the so-called "observatory") and his Wahabbi jehadi sources seriously?   This
    is the same spigot of excrement that claimed Ghouta was Assad's atrocity.   It was actually a jihadi false flag and these same jihadis
    are still using chemical weapons today.  

    Don't you love how a dude -- one guy who's not even there -- qualifies as an "observatory"? The only thing that still amazes me about Western propaganda is how blatant and sloppy it is now. They just don't give a shit about credibility any longer. I can only guess it's because they believe the capacity for discernment of the average person is completely negligible.

    You realize that SOHR counts the Syrian terrorist rebels killed as civilians in their warped statistics.

    This, I remember speaking to a guy that was in intelligence circles who implied that there Are many agencies that still considers anyone not with Assad an opposition protesters and therefore are civilians, literally making Assad and Co. look like they are responsible for over 90% of civilian deaths like that one infographic stated a few months ago.

    Oh, and all the Turkish truck drivers are also considered civilians in the conflict, but their deaths are well deserved and are necessary to prevent even further bloodshed in the future.
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jan 11, 2016 10:42 pm

    Update from Moscow, emphasising the non SAA support the RuAF is giving.

    MOSCOW, January 11. /TASS/. Terrorist field commanders Bashar Mohamed al-Qatur and Mohamed Ismael have been killed in combat in Syria, Lieutenant General Sergey Rudskoy, chief of the main operations department of the Russian General Staff, told journalists on Monday. "According to available information, field commanders Bashar Mohamed al-Qatur and Mohamed Ismael were killed in combat," Rudskoy said.

    He added that Syrian government forces have advanced by 12-15 kilometers in the south-eastern direction, freed several settlements and reached the Nahr el-Assi River. Read also Russia has delivered over 1,000 airstrikes in Syria since start of year — general "In the Homs province, the Syrian army freed the town of Mhin and launched an offensive in the eastern direction reaching the town of Al-Karyatein," the general said. Syrian government forces are fighting with terrorists in East Ghouta on the outskirts of Damascus freeing one neighborhood after another, he continued. "Most considerable advances were made in the directions of Blalia, Nashabia and Haush Harabu," Rudskoy noted. He also said that Syrian government forces entered the town of Sheikh Miskeen in the Daraa province.

    According to Rudskoy, the Russian air task force is supporting the offensive of 11 Syrian opposition detachments fighting against terrorists. "The Russian aviation is providing support to the patriotic forces struggling against international terrorists on the territory of Syria. Today our planes are delivering strikes in the interests of 11 detachments of the democratic opposition numbering over 7,000 people," the general was quoted by Rossiya-24 TV Channel as saying.

    Over the past few days, the Russian air task force has delivered 19 strikes in the interests of units of the Jaysh Ahrar al-Ashaer (Army of Free Tribes) grouping that is part of the southern front of the Free Syrian Army, the Russian general said. Rudskoy also noted that the Syrian opposition forces have seized several settlements during an offensive on the "capital" of the Islamic State (IS) terrorist group - Raqqa. "With support of the Russian aviation the Syrian democratic army detachments under the command of Aiman Flyat al-Ganim continue an offensive on the IS capital Raqqa and in recent days have seized the settlements of Al-Salhiya, Rjeman-Alaya, El-Kria and Hadriyat-Ain-Isa," Rudskoy said.

    According to the official, the Lions of the East and Kalamun formations of the Syrian opposition have advanced more than 50 km (31 miles) in their offensive on Palmyra, seizing the town of Mhasse. "In the southern direction, the Lions of the East and Kalamun formations have advanced by more than 50 km with the support of Russian aviation in their offensive on Palmyra and seized the populated areas of Zaza, Kessara and the town of Mhasse," the general was quoted as saying on the Russian Defense Ministry’s website.

    Rudskoy had reported the opposition’s advance on Raqqa in late December last year. He said then that the Syrian opposition detachments seized about 20 settlements and established control over a strategic dam on the Euphrates River in Al Ahmar. The Russian General Staff reported previously that in addition to the government troops, more than 150 opposition formations were fighting in Syria. Chief of the General Staff Valery Gerasimocv said that the Russian Air Force was delivering daily 30-40 airstrikes in support of the opposition.


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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jan 11, 2016 11:41 pm


    Some more reality seeping in for MSM with usual dose of wishful thinking and stereotypes of course.
    Still, interesting read. I pasted whole thing here so you guys will not have to give them any unnecessary clicks.


    Russia's intervention in Syria 'has changed the slope' of the war's most important battlefield

    http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-syria-intervention-war-2016-1

    Analysts largely agree that Russia's entry into the Syrian civil war on behalf of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad has not yet turned the tide of the war in Assad's favor.

    But in the nearly four months since Russia launched its air campaign there to bolster pro-Assad forces, Russia has slowly but surely "changed the slope of certain battlefields in favor of the regime."

    That's according to Jeff White, a defense fellow at The Washington Institute specializing in the military and security affairs of the Levant and Iran.

    "Not dramatically, but perceptively," White told Business Insider of the effect of Russian involvement.

    "These include northern Latakia, Aleppo, perhaps eastern Homs and maybe Daraa, although Daraa is shakier," White said. "The Russians have also allowed the regime to go on the offensive and to increase pressure on rebels generally, likely increasing attrition of rebel forces, commanders and equipment and making rebel logistics activity more difficult."

    Aleppo, Syria's largest city and its main urban center in the north, is arguably the most strategically important frontline of the war. The city is currently enveloped in a four-way battle among regime forces, rebel groups, the Islamic State and the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) — an alliance of Kurdish, Arab, Assyrian and Turkmen militias supported by the US.

    Russia's intervention in late September was followed by a regime offensive to recapture Aleppo from opposition forces, who control roughly half of the city's eastern flank. The offensive did not result in any significant gains for the regime.

    "The city is surrounded by Jabhat al-Nusra in the west and IS in the east," Fabrice Balanche, an associate professor and research director at the University of Lyon 2, and visiting fellow at The Washington Institute, told Al-Monitor at the time. He was referring, respectively, to the Syrian Al-Qaeda affiliate and an alternate acronym for ISIS.

    "The city is also located only 50 kilometers [31 miles] from Turkey, from which rebels receive substantial logistical support," Balanche added. "One can hardly imagine that the Syrian army can retake Aleppo completely without control of the Turkish-Syrian border."

    Three months later, however, the regime is closer to controlling that area, owing to an intense Russian bombing campaign along the Turkish-Syrian border that began in late November after Turkey shot down a Russian warplane.

    "Russian aircraft are multiplying their raids on the corridor and weakening the rebel defenses, especially near the border crossing of Bab al-Salam, and losing this road would leave rebel units in the eastern districts almost completely surrounded by regime forces," Balanche wrote for the Washington Institute last week.

    Indeed, the airstrikes have shifted the epicenter of the war toward a corridor north of Aleppo, through which Turkey smuggles aid and supplies to the rebel groups it supports. That aid, flowing through Azaz to the northern capital, has been all but cut off.

    That development, combined with the steady tempo of Russian airstrikes in Aleppo province more broadly, have allowed regime forces to approach the city from the southeast and put substantial pressure on the rebel forces stationed there.

    Indeed, in an analysis of the Azaz corridor's strategic importance last month, Balanche wrote that Russia's airstrikes in the area could allow the regime to "lock other Turkish crossing points between Bab al-Hawa and Jisr al-Shughour, effectively putting the entire province of Idlib in a net."

    White said, however, that it was too soon to say whether Russia's intervention had definitively turned the tide of the war in Assad's favor.

    "The problem with tides is that they run both ways," White said. "That has been the pattern of the Syrian war."

    Assad regime efforts to recapture Aleppo have ebbed and flowed over the past four years, depending on how much manpower the government could devote to retaking the northern capital.

    It ebbed when the regime wanted to focus more of its efforts on regaining territory in the south, for example, around October. But Russia seems to be pulling its weight there, too: Russian airstrikes around the Syrian capital of Damascus killed one of the southern front's most important rebel leaders, Zahran Alloush, on Christmas day.

    A recent Financial Times article, moreover, highlighted how Russia's growing role in the south may be shifting the balance against the rebels operating there. It's part of a larger strategy employed by Moscow and the regime, some experts say, to turn military victories into diplomatic leverage ahead of negotiations over Syria's future.

    The rebels, for the most part, have remained resolute in their demands. Opposition leaders told the UN Syria envoy Staffan de Mistura last week that they will only participate in talks if the regime stops bombing civilians, releases some detainees, and lifts blockades on rebel-held areas.

    "Can the international community achieve the implementation of this pre-negotiation stage in the few remaining days? If it can, there is no problem," Riyad Naasan Agha, a member of the opposition council, told Reuters on Saturday. "But I doubt they can."

    Russia and the regime, meanwhile, are likely reveling in the notion that some opposition groups will refuse to come to the table. Russia retains the ability to strike rebels that sit out of the talks — on the grounds that they are impeding the peace process.

    “The regime is not going to compromise on talks," Syria analyst Joshua Landis, head of the Center for Middle East Studies at the University of Oklahoma, told the Financial Times last week. "They now think they’re going to win on the battlefield, and that Russia is taking them to the finish line."
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Jan 12, 2016 12:03 am


    First reports from 2016:

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1674515.html



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    Post  AK-Rex Tue Jan 12, 2016 1:15 am

    Award a medal:SAA (Tiger Forces) Colonel Suheil al Hassan (Khmeimim airbase)

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    Post  ult Tue Jan 12, 2016 3:51 am



    Su-34 low-pass in Latakia.



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    Post  higurashihougi Tue Jan 12, 2016 4:10 am

    http://nashpoz.ru/blog/43177185097/Mnenie:-pochemu-Rossiya-spasayet-Siriyu,-a-ne-Ukrayinu?utm_campaign=transit&utm_source=main&utm_medium=page_0&domain=mirtesen.ru&paid=1&pad=1&image=20834992406

    Basically the article said: Syrian elities, goverment and population have been tried their best to save themselves and to fight against White House's beasts. Meanwhile, Ukrainian counterparts surrendered from the first days.

    That's why Putin actively helps Assad to fight the thugs and terrorists, while he leaves Ukraina alone and let them taste the full consequences of "democracy".
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    Post  higurashihougi Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:09 am

    Bascially Vladimir Putin mentioned about the notoroius and typical "achievements" of the "free West media". Twisted Evil

    I luv u Putin love (ok I am not gay Razz )

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    Post  ult Tue Jan 12, 2016 10:03 am

    Btw Mi-8 is with Vitebsk "balls"

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    Post  headshot69 Tue Jan 12, 2016 12:07 pm

    Finally we can see Mi-8AMTSh at Hmejmim with installed self defence system L370E8 Vitebsk (L370-5 PRESIDENT-S)...

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    Post  headshot69 Tue Jan 12, 2016 12:09 pm

    ...sorry we have detected the same thing in same time...
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    Post  Aldin_Aba Tue Jan 12, 2016 12:47 pm

    Russian general watching Battle for Salma unfolding..


    Also one of the advisers in Latakia, face blured for safety reasons. His uniform looks like Syrian one also patch is on Arabic, but face confirmed it is Russian
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    Post  KiloGolf Tue Jan 12, 2016 1:18 pm

    headshot69 wrote:Finally we can see Mi-8AMTSh at Hmejmim with installed self defence system L370E8 Vitebsk (L370-5 PRESIDENT-S)...


    Talk about going balls out Laughing
    definite sign of progress. Choppers over Syria need all the help they can get in that department.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Tue Jan 12, 2016 3:09 pm

    Aldin_Aba wrote:Russian general watching Battle for Salma unfolding..


    Also one of the advisers in Latakia, face blured for safety reasons. His uniform looks like Syrian one also patch is on Arabic, but face confirmed it is Russian
    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #7 - Page 12 Dm2pip11]

    Uniform is clearly SCO/Morska P. style. There's not much SAA on him even the vest over BP is typically old "flora" style. Oh and he's "healthy".
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    Post  KiloGolf Tue Jan 12, 2016 5:53 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:Uniform is clearly SCO/Morska P. style. There's not much SAA on him even the vest over BP is typically old "flora" style. Oh and he's "healthy".

    Sovietly healthy indeed afro
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    Post  Aldin_Aba Tue Jan 12, 2016 6:52 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Uniform is clearly SCO/Morska P. style. There's not much SAA on him even the vest over BP is typically old "flora" style. Oh and he's "healthy".

    Sovietly healthy indeed afro

    Fit and ready bounce bounce lol!
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:38 pm

    It's not a critique, it's just so common to see these military types, be "healthy", Eastern Europe style. They'd still punch your teeth on your neck or outrun you on a pinch. It's just the way it is. Also That early PyA Grach on holster is indeed unique.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:43 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:It's not a critique, it's just so common to see these military types, be "healthy", Eastern Europe style. They'd still punch your teeth on your neck or outrun you on a pinch. It's just the way it is. Also That early PyA Grach on holster is indeed unique.

    Like Fedor Emelianenko?
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    Post  KiloGolf Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:51 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:It's not a critique, it's just so common to see these military types, be "healthy", Eastern Europe style. They'd still punch your teeth on your neck or outrun you on a pinch. It's just the way it is. Also That early PyA Grach on holster is indeed unique.

    I think few folks, in the know, buy the Holywoodesque physique image of OMFGDELTA!!11! with plenty of tacticool gucci outfit, that wins wars. Often times effective combat troops comprise malnourished, kimono-wearing homeless bunch (see Yemen).. or dirt-poor, underequiped, part-Buryati, part-Caucasus origin hobos riding T-62s (58th Army of Russia in Georgia 08).. or "healthy" folk like the ones seen in the Yugo wars.


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    Post  KoTeMoRe Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:51 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:It's not a critique, it's just so common to see these military types, be "healthy", Eastern Europe style. They'd still punch your teeth on your neck or outrun you on a pinch. It's just the way it is. Also That early PyA Grach on holster is indeed unique.

    Like Fedor Emelianenko?

    Like a lot of those guys.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:53 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:It's not a critique, it's just so common to see these military types, be "healthy", Eastern Europe style. They'd still punch your teeth on your neck or outrun you on a pinch. It's just the way it is. Also That early PyA Grach on holster is indeed unique.

    I think few folks, in the know, buy the Holywoodesque physique image of OMFGDELTA!!11! with plenty of tacticool gucci outfit.
    Often times effective combat troops comprise malnourished, kimono-wearing homeless bunch (see Yemen) or dirt-poor, underequiped, part-Buryati, part-Caucasus origin hobos riding T-62s (see 50th Army of Russia in Georgia 08), or "healthy" folk like the ones on the side of RS in the Yugo wars.

    That's my line... Evian? Valtrex? Is that you?
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    Post  KiloGolf Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:54 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:That's my line... Evian? Valtrex? Is that you?

    I know it's a good line  Very Happy

    Nah, just years old lurker at mp.net and now active here.
    Haven't seen the guys much active since the shut down.

    PS. I edited that post, it was 58th Army.
    PS2. here's another example of "healthy", Eastern Bloc folk getting the job done, with quite "un-western" kit/approach:


    ^^ warning strong images shown, near the end.
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:20 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:It's not a critique, it's just so common to see these military types, be "healthy", Eastern Europe style. They'd still punch your teeth on your neck or outrun you on a pinch. It's just the way it is. Also That early PyA Grach on holster is indeed unique.

    Well those VKS pilots in Latakia are definitely getting chubbier every day. This is by far most nutritious war Russia ever fought. lol1

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