Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #7

Cyrus the great wrote:I'm just hoping that Churkin is being Machievelian in his admonition of Assad for rejecting a cease-fire that would prevent Damascus from making any more gains by stopping its momentum dead in its tracks. I'll defer judgment instead of being hysterical. Russia knows what it's doing.

Russia probably realises that its people on the ground, in this case SAA arent capable on their own, at least yet of retaking the whole territory and so will have to 'take a breather' every so often and use diplomacy to further weaken the enemy in the meantime. There is no doubt that assad/russia will win, the question is at what cost, if that victory can be partly won by diplomacy, then that surely is a good thing.

IMO, drop a nuke on Idlib city. Problem solved. Jihadists will surrender the very next day

ultron wrote:IMO, drop a nuke on Idlib city. Problem solved. Jihadists will surrender the very next day

no, they wont, those shadows on debris cannot sign anything

Rodinazombie wrote:

Cyrus the great wrote:I'm just hoping that Churkin is being Machievelian in his admonition of Assad for rejecting a cease-fire that would prevent Damascus from making any more gains by stopping its momentum dead in its tracks. I'll defer judgment instead of being hysterical. Russia knows what it's doing.

Russia probably realises that its people on the ground, in this case SAA arent capable on their own, at least yet of retaking the whole territory and so will have to 'take a breather' every so often and use diplomacy to further weaken the enemy in the meantime. There is no doubt that assad/russia will win, the question is at what cost, if that victory can be partly won by diplomacy, then that surely is a good thing.

That's a possibility that we can't dismiss because we're simply not privy to what's really going on in that conflict. I just think that Churkin could have expressed himself with a little more grace and sensitivity. The SAA [like every Middle-eastern military] is riddled with problems and the Russians have helped them tremendously... and these modernization efforts are being made all the more difficult by the ongoing war - a war imposed and fuled by some of the world's most powerful Nation-States. I still hope that this is a smokes-screen. I'm quite certain that most of the Islamist rebels will not be receptive to a ceasefire of any sort, and so I expect that the Russians will continue their operations.

ultron wrote:IMO, drop a nuke on Idlib city. Problem solved. Jihadists will surrender the very next day

Right, because exterminating hundreds of thousands of civilians in a nuclear holocaust and giving legitimacy to facile and viciously false Western propaganda against Russia is a great idea. Seriously, what the fuck!?

Cyrus the great wrote:

ultron wrote:IMO, drop a nuke on Idlib city. Problem solved. Jihadists will surrender the very next day

Right, because exterminating hundreds of thousands of civilians in a nuclear holocaust and giving legitimacy to facile and viciously false Western propaganda against Russia  is a great idea. Seriously, what the fuck!?

Either a million bombs or a single nuke. That is how Idlib city will be taken. Whatever saves lives at this point is a good thing.

GarryB wrote:

Makes you sound desperate and pathetic to be honest.
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Pretty spot on analysis of Ultron

"Russia's envoy to the UN on Friday warned long-term ally President Bashar al-Assad over his vow to retake all of Syria, saying he faced dire consequences if he did not comply with Moscow over the peace process. "Russia has invested very seriously in this crisis, politically, diplomatically and now also militarily," Vitaly Churkin told Kommersant daily, referring to an international agreement to cease hostilities sealed in Munich last week. "Therefore we would like Assad also to respond to this," he said, adding that the Syrian leader's stance "is not in accord with the diplomatic efforts that Russia is making." At their meeting in Munich, the 17-nation group backing Syria's peace process agreed to work for a ceasefire, the lifting of starvation sieges and the resumption of talks.

In an interview with AFP last week, Assad defiantly pledged to retake the whole of the country, speaking before the plan for a nationwide "cessation of hostilities" in Syria was announced. Asked to comment to journalists on the unusually outspoken criticism of Assad, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov on Friday said President Vladimir Putin backed the Syrian peace process but stressed that the ceasefire had not yet been implemented. "Everyone including President Putin recognises that there is no alternative other than a political resolution," he said. Nevertheless the ceasefire "is now being worked out, discussed. Wait, let's not run ahead," Peskov said.

In the interview, Churkin, who has served as Russia's ambassador to the United Nations since 2006, stressed that if Syria "follows Russia's leadership in resolving this crisis, then they have a chance to come out of it in a dignified way." "If they in some way stray from this path -- and this is my personal opinion -- a very difficult situation could arise. Including for themselves," he warned. "If they proceed on the basis that no ceasefire is necessary and they need to fight to a victorious end, then this conflict will last a very long time and that is terrifying to imagine."

Syria is "already on the brink of falling apart," he said.

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Churkin however also suggested that Assad's comments were made for political impact."

Source and rest of the article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-3454198/Russia-warns-Assad-vow-retake-Syria.html

Yet another Western lie debunked...Remember MSM's claim that Russia's air-campaign is the cause of the migrant crisis?



Here's a UNICEF infographic depicting migrant flows to Europe. Notice something yet?



...That's right the peak of the migrant flow was actually 'before' the air-campaign, and has been gradually decreasing ever since it began...because of the air-campaign.

Eat d*ck Obama, Merkel Ferkel, Turdogan lol!

Not surprising Obama backed Turkey , and did not condemn the shelling of Syrian army or kurds.

I will not be surprised if Obama and all western Elite finance the whole Turkey military operation in Syria . Using them as their spear against Russia.  So instead of using ISIS ,now they will raise their interference in Syria by helping Turkey.

And CHurkin is an idiot. if the imbecile believe cease of fires will end the war in Syria ,then
he is a liar . They only want to freeze the conflict ,even if that sacrifice Syria security and Syria
losing northern aleppo ,Idlib and Raqqa.  

What is clear in all this?

1)Obama ,neither Americans will back down in Syria. They have nothing and only win by keeping Russia pinned down in Syria. Because money Russia invest in the Syrian operation is money Russia will not invest in development of its nation. and for every Russian plane shot down ,the support to Putin can only go down. By not solving the conflict Putin political future will be in question.

2)Turkey will not back down..Erdogan is now asking Emperor powers .And he will not stop
its agression to Syria until they capture at least all Northern Aleppo ,Northern Latakia ,Raqqa and maintain Idlib.

3)Russia is seeking to capitulate with Americans.. to give them something (that is some Syrian territory) in change for peace. How naive the imbeciles are. Americans will not retreat in Syria ,
not now and not never as long Americans continues supporing their government to "Send more troops"

So its seems ,after all we have seen.. AMericans and Turkey only pushing forward to increase
the aggression in Syria the more they advance . and Russia showing sign of capitulation with Americans by seeking questionable cease of fires ,that will not be respected by AMericans as neither one in the past was. So Russia only chance out ,is to hold for a decade in syria. Until the American citizens becomes so annoyed and demand their government to stay away of it.Or that Russia declare war against Turkey and beat the hell of their army positions with their airforce and start sinking Turkey warships until they agree to end the war and sign for peace.

Another card Russia have are the Kurds ,and they can start arming heavily Kurds to fight
by proxy Turkey.. but if Turkey notice Russia is aiding them ,they will take the fight directly
to Russia.  In any case , unless a full scale war start..and Turkey beaten badly , i dont see the way ending any time soon. it will last many years and it will not be because Assad advancing
but Because Russia underestimate their American partners how much determination they have
to collapse Russia.   Which is the whole point of the Syrian war .  The American real target is not Syria but Russia. and this is something the imbecile Churkin needs to be aware.
That Syria is only attacked because of them.

In fact i can see Americans opening new fronts to overwhelm Russia. Just days ago Lybia was
bombed by a rare lonely attack of the US airforce supposedly against ISIS.and guess which target they hit? Serbian Diplomats ,that were kidnapped in Lybia.  the photos i saw just recently a women and a man.. their bodies death. How coincident eh? the Americans do an attack and
Serbian diplomats end killed?

the Imbecile of Churkin ,needs to realize the people they want to negotiate a "Cease of fire"
its main goal is not Syria but Russia. and that they are officially in a proxy war that americans
are leading against them. So Russia better be prepared and not caught again with their pants down ,(like the shooting of their  bomber). because Americans diplomatic circus and cease of fire only is a distraction. and nothing else.  In G20 Obama did the same.. show a lot of openess
to Putin ,and discussions of ending the war. but it was all a show.. weeks later Biden go to Turkey and encourage erdogan to continue the war against Syria.

So Russians better fully understand the war is against Russia and not Syria..
That is NOT a Syrian Problem only   but a Russian one too.. and that there is nothing
they can do ,to stay away of any conflict other than surrender to american imperialism ,and become a puppet of USA . because Americans will continue opening new battle fields to threaten Russia interest. ie. Moldova ,Serbia ,transnistria and Tajikistan ,Egypt and kalingrad ,Venezuela ,armenia but could be new fronts. and this is not mentioning a restart of the Ukraine front. and that any sign of desperation to end the conflict from their side will only encourage Americans to pressure more. The big missing player in all this is IRAN..  IRAN and SYria do have a defense pact signed that IRAN is not honoring. since not a single word against Turkey. If IRAN threatened Turkey with war if continues shelling Syria ,and threaten to start shelling Turkey if continue it will totally change the whole dynamics of the conflict. Because NATO will not want to fight IRAN . while Russia can easily cover their back.

All Said ,is the worst time for Russia to show sign of weakness. it is very dangerous.
and churkin should be fired for showing a sign that there are major conflict of ideas with Syria.

NDF guy somewhere in Latakia with Russian advisor

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