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    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

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    Post  VBCI on Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:40 pm

    I wonder what would be Russia's reaction.
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    Post  Karl Haushofer on Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:42 pm

    George1 wrote:Russia will respond to this with anger
    What? Lavrov will raise his voice in the UN?
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    Post  Karl Haushofer on Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:43 pm

    VBCI wrote:I wonder what would be Russia's reaction.
    So far, only words.
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    Post  Firebird on Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:46 pm

    Militarov wrote:Okay...this is...weird...

    "Turkey believes Russian pilots from downed plane still alive, helping secure their release from Syrian rebels."

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-3332223/Turkey-believes-Russian-pilots-alive-seeking-release--govt-official.html

    Sadly I suspect its Erdocunt stalling for time.
    The longer Russia waits it would be harder to justify a big strike against Southern Kebabcuntland.
    So I say hit fast.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:49 pm

    Firebird wrote:
    Militarov wrote:Okay...this is...weird...

    "Turkey believes Russian pilots from downed plane still alive, helping secure their release from Syrian rebels."

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-3332223/Turkey-believes-Russian-pilots-alive-seeking-release--govt-official.html

    Sadly I suspect its Erdocunt stalling for time.
    The longer Russia waits it would be harder to justify a big strike against Southern Kebabcuntland.
    So I say hit fast.

    Pilots still Alive with three haping wounds and ruptured vessels. Turkish media have found Lazarus.
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    Post  ultron on Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:49 pm

    They should use Smerch 90 km range. No need for bombers.
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    Post  VBCI on Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:51 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    VBCI wrote:I wonder what would be Russia's reaction.
    So far, only words.

    I don't expect more. This will have an impact on Russo-Turkish relations,no more.
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    Post  Guest on Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:52 pm

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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:53 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Federation council offers to stop flights to Turkey
    http://ria.ru/politics/20151124/1327593844.html



    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:
    Seems that Russians are content with selling hardwarre to India. They did not even ask for Indian assistance.

    India´s best interest is to play for multipolar world as equal to other powers. with west it never achieves this status. there is also no need to complin about India or China. so far relations seem to be mutually beneficial.

    India best interest.. just like CHINA...is to realize there will be NO PLACE for
    India as an independent sovereign nation in the world.. if United states empire is not stopped.
    So their policy sucks big time.. because what India is doing..will be similar as if Indians city was burning (the planet) and just because the zone on fires and not theirs they do nothing.. So the fire sooner or later will get India ,because IS ON THE SAME PLANET... and it should be on india
    Interest to help Russia become a major balancing force in the world and not be alone.

    India warships and aircraft carrier could be helping in Syria to help in the security of the
    Russian navy ,searching for submarines.. and its airforce could be used to help the Russian airforce in the security of their planes by keeping an eye of Turkey airforce and illuminating their planes if get too close to the Syrian border.. Just by having Indian planes in Russia airbase and warships in Russia naval positions.. it could help.. a LOT without firing a single shot or bombing anyone.  Same with CHina.. So any rogue nation who try to attack Russia to fight for Americans by proxy..will be in more troubles because an attack on Russia will risk attacking India and CHina.. thats why is important to get an alliance and support for Russia. that got nothing.
    So India and China could help Immensely Russia with actions by just being there.. they dont need to fire a single shot.. but only be present.. but self centered nations ,that thinks is not their problem and they will not be affected by what happens in Syria and leave Russia alone
    dealing with all the cost of fighting ISIS.. are truly Useless Nations in the world.

    India like technology and stealth planes but if Russia economy collapse for having to deal
    with a major war in Syria ALONE. then guess what? Russia will be unable to help India with their stealth planes if goes bankrupt.. So as you see one way or the other.. India will be affected by what happens in Syria... IF allow the americans to get ISIS in control of it.  Later those ISIS jihadist can be sent to India to create problems there too.. So it should be under India BIG INTEREST to help Russia in every way they can.. same with China..  But no one goes to the help of Russia, that is the only nation fighting ISIS for real and that encourage Americans and its Gulf allies to continue the proxy war. But had a major world coalition be in Syria of powerful countries ,including Europe it will be a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT scenario.. and the nations supporting ISIS will have to back down or else being isolated in the world. Is all about Support. India can do a LOT of Things in Syria to help Russia without actually firing a single shot or taking any major Risk or kill a single muslin there.

    heck India aircraft carriers alone without planes could help A LOT RUssia by providing a naval airport from where Russia planes can take off. That Russia desperately needs to be able to send more planes against ISIS.. India can donate also tanks and artillery not using.. So many things they can do but do NOTHING. IS not about Syria.. is about Russia.. about helping them to defeat ISIS. and creating more pressure on Americans and Turks to stop its war on Syria.and its support on ISIS.that it will not work if too many major powers helping it. Israel for example sells a lot of hardware to India.. so it will not be on interest for Israel to attack a plane in Syria
    if face the risk of attacking a friendly nations like India.. see?  Using a major coalition shields you from any attempt to attack you by a rogue nation. And CHina have lots and lots and endless
    army of soldiers that can easily clean northen Syria.. and help Russia. and lots of drones too.. the future of humanity is being played in Syria and is not the time for nations to look to the sides and not care about what happens there.


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    Post  wilhelm on Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:57 pm

    Militarov wrote:Okay...this is...weird...

    "Turkey believes Russian pilots from downed plane still alive, helping secure their release from Syrian rebels."

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-3332223/Turkey-believes-Russian-pilots-alive-seeking-release--govt-official.html

    It's the Turkish government. You can't trust them at all in this conflict.
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    Post  zorobabel on Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:57 pm

    By the way, the terrorists who murdered the pilots in their parachutes were members of Turkmen groups armed and trained by Turkish special forces.
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    Post  Regular on Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:01 pm

    So was russian hello destroyed too??
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    Post  Karl Haushofer on Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:02 pm

    Regular wrote:So was russian hello destroyed too??
    Yes but the crew was evacuated.
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    Post  VBCI on Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:03 pm

    Regular wrote:So was russian hello destroyed too??

    Rebels published a video where they destroyed a Russian helicopter with a TOW....

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    Post  Regular on Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:07 pm

    Weak sauce. What happened to the crew then? Goku teleported them out? Smells bs imho
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    Post  Guest on Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:08 pm

    Regular wrote:Weak sauce. What happened to the crew then? Goku teleported them out? Smells bs imho

    Evacuated by other helicopter, it was damaged by gunfire and landed.
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    Post  Regular on Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:10 pm

    Yeah make sense to destroy abandoned hell and waste tow.
    Any other non terrorist sources?
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    Post  Dima on Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:14 pm


    This one is anti-Russia account have the Russian service men deatails and in all likelyhood it is made public so that the potential guys can find the adress and do some mischief.

    https://twitter.com/hohland_gosdep
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    Post  Dima on Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:16 pm

    Regular wrote:Relax, they can say what they want. It's a wank fest for russphobes today.
    All I can say is I feel big respect for Russian pilots and I hope their families will get all the support their need.
    Hope you Or was it asulander who said Russian casualities are bound to happen? Who ever it is, hope they are satisfied now?
    Those who said so can now claim that "I said so".

    I'm interested in Russian operations after this incident, does it mean certain areas of Syria will be avoided?
    The priority now might be to get the bodies back.

    It possible that VKS might (or maybe not) avoid the area untill the bodies are not delivered. They woundt want to accidentally bomb the fallen comrades corpse where ever it is kept.

    After this (or say avoiding that specific area), they will (& need to!) bomb the crap out of those Turkish terrorists but with proper air-support.
    It is just the start for Turkey....Turkish fighters have been crossing into Syria to strike Kurds and make no doubt, we'll see the Turkish fighters falling out of the sky!!!
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    Post  max steel on Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:20 pm

    VBCI introduce yourself first. Wink


    Russia Expects NATO to Comment on Turkey's 'Provocative' Actions
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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:22 pm

    Militarov wrote:Okay...this is...weird...

    "Turkey believes Russian pilots from downed plane still alive, helping secure their release from Syrian rebels."

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-3332223/Turkey-believes-Russian-pilots-alive-seeking-release--govt-official.html

    No is not weird..

    What you will hear from now of Turkey in the media ..is we are good guys.. we are cooperating
    with the international community.. to fight ISIS.. bla bla bla. The International Opinion is against them... most of it.. Only Americans <SAudi Arabia and Qatar and Israel will backup their increase of hostilities.

    So there will be a war for support now in the media.. Russia will call world attention the illegal agression of turkey.. so it can justify any retaliation and Turkey is playing the we are good guys card now role. to not become isolated. is called public relations.
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    Post  Regular on Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:23 pm

    Auslander said that it will happen.
    But there we are now and all the players have their cards revealed.
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    Post  jhelb on Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:28 pm

    Two questions guys:

    1. Wasn't the Su-24 carrying any countermeasures?

    2. Some US funded analysts are tweeting that NATO needs to send in new airborne jammers into Syria. How should Russia deal with these airbone jammers? Are there enough Krasukha 4 in place?
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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:36 pm

    jhelb wrote:Two questions guys:

    1. Wasn't the Su-24 carrying any countermeasures?

    2. Some US funded analysts are tweeting that NATO needs to send in  new airborne jammers into Syria. How should Russia deal with these airbone jammers? Are there enough Krasukha 4 in place?

    apparently no..


    http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151124/1030665306/russia-syria-electronic-warfare.html

    or maybe not the correct ones .. and Russia will now deploy ground stations near turkey border
    and other things.. it seems.  The key to end the illegal war on Syria by US and its coalition ,
    and their support of terrorism..as i said.. before is European Union.. they are the major economy in the world and money /Sanctions talks stronger than bullets and missiles. a simple Ban on all flights to turkey for their support to ISIS ,and sanctions on Turkey Major Business will be catastropic for TUrkey economy.. including Erdogan son. will be more deadly than any eye for eye retaliation of Russia. And Europe can lift sanctions on Russia  in retaliation and start speaking of a major economic alliance with RUssia..and joing Russia coalition.. all those things
    can be done if Europe wants to save the world from a major world war..and take away the role of balance from Russia.  It will be far less bad for Europe to stop world war 3..and join Russia ,than to join US illegal war and criminal policies in Syria..

    the beauty in all this IF the European Union had the courage to do the right thing....of Major economic sanctions on Turkey.. will be that it will get millions jobs lost in Turkey ,many unenployment ,the turkey currency devaluated and will get Europe to start creating an Euromaidan in Turkey to kick Erdogan.. ie.. Major Economic Sanctions can provoke a civil war..if the popularity is not very good of the leaders. and many unrest withing the government..


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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:37 pm

    I'm just waking up to the possibility of Russia having something exceedingly nasty to present Turkey with. Semtex for Kurds for more attacks. Weapons, some high profile shooting in the middle of somewhere important. This comes straight after Antalya G20. Jesus. That's it no more cheap vacations.

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