Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

flamming_python wrote:

ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:

arpakola wrote:

flamming_python wrote:If it was shot down in Turkish airspace then they had the right to.

It's not like it's the first time our planes violated their airspace, let's be honesst.

At the same time though, the fact that they actually went this far - does indeed merit a response. Cancelling all flights, pulling out tourists, bombing 'Turkmen' (Islamist) positions with a new intensity, and the start of arms shipments to the PKK and so on.
Let's see how they like that.

oh.. come on>>  2,7 Km >>> 19 sec ... even if we trust the maps given by  the Turks  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUkdnCuW4AAxX9L.png



So within this time slot the Turks managed to give warning , lock the target , made the decision to hit..  and fired..!!

How come Turks can give 10 warnings for such a short time?

How come Turkish F-16 could fly after and shot Russian jet in such a short period of time?

It's quite simple, they saw the airplane approaching their airspace, and gave it a warning while it was still in Syrian airspace. At 5km out, at 3km out, etc...
That's what they claim, and it sounds quite plausible.

So it wasn't a trap as such, they just wanted to send a message.

Now the question is what Russia does next as a message back. Annihilates the Islamists in that region by all means necessary (so that the Turks have no-one more to cry about), removes all tourists from the country, and arms the Kurds. Sounds about fair. Kicking out Turkish citizens from Russia too maybe, for their own protection more than anything else.

Honestly I'd love to have a Turkish plane shot down but it won't be possible unless they're stupid enough to intrude into Syrian airspace.

Its not in any book that you give warning when there is no violation .
It was a staged attack to provoke Russian retaliation and hence NATO involvement ...

In that case SAA should start giving warning to Turkisg air-force every hour..

GunshipDemocracy wrote:In Syria they already agreed on broad autonomy. this was sooo much pissing Erdoporkey. No wonder in turkey 30% of populations is hunted and treated like sh#t just because they are Kurds.

Yet the Kurdish cause is in danger as Afrin enclave is separated by territory that Turkey clams to be inhabited by "Turkomans". Turkey is fabricating the numbers of that minority from the likely 300,000-500,000 to about 3 millions. That was they want to keep the rebel turf between their border and Aleppo... This is the danger for Kurds and Syria.

FOAB where ever fucking kebaps are walking on syrian soil while arming kurds PKK.

News:

Turkey requests emergency NATO meeting after Russian jet shot down CTV Canada
Reports indicate Russian foreign minister cancels visit to Turkey ShareCast
Russian charge d'affaires summoned by Turkey after downing of jet - official Reuters
Turkey summons Russian envoy over shot down warplane Turkish Anadolou Agency
NATO Aides to Meet in Brussels After Turkey Downs Russian Plane BBG

AND LAST, BUT NOT LEAST:
The Russians had it coming to them
Yes, that'd be from Russia's 'western partners' providing us with their TRUE opinion via the Daily Telegraph:
Daily Telegraph Zio-Outlet

Oh, there's this too:
World War III is trending on Twitter after a Russian military jet was shot down
BI

flamming_python wrote:

Now the question is what Russia does next as a message back. Annihilates the Islamists in that region by all means necessary (so that the Turks have no-one more to cry about), removes all tourists from the country, and arms the Kurds. Sounds about fair. Kicking out Turkish citizens from Russia too maybe, for their own protection more than anything else.

Suspend Blue Stream, or exposing all evidences about Ankara supporting IS in the next UN meetings. Probably.

As far as I know, Moskva's response will be a bit slow, but will be very deceisive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7343nXyGS0s

Putin is condemning Turkey.

Russians havent bombed any target inside Turkey by mistake , so neither country is at war to shoot it down , Nor did Su-24 challange the F-16 into combat or dog fight

Shooting down is an extreme end of the spectrum and with dead pilots on the Syrian side of border that wont go down well.

Putin is speaking now from Sochi and has, essentially, called Turkey a supporter of terrorism.......

I don't think that Russia should directly provide military support to the PKK - which has quite unsurprisingly been branded a terrorist organisation by Turkey and the United States. And just to preempt anybody that might think that I'm advocating anything even remotely resembling bowing down to Washington's whims and self-serving classifications, I just think [and expect] that Russia will be very strategic and maximise the beat-down on that snake of a man [Erdogan] by supporting the near universally [and rightfully so] beloved YPG, which would then share their Russian supplied resources with the PKK, their kin and kith. Russia can then feign surprise and ignorance about how mountains of sophisticated and effective Russian arms got into the hands of the PKK -- the same way that the United States pretends that its weapons only fell into the hands of terrorists by accident.

The Turkmen Islamist militia should now be mercilessly attacked in a micro campaign specifically aimed at them, but before that kicks off, Russia should position advanced air defence systems right on the Syrian-Turkish border and get significantly more fighter jets into Syria so that Turkey understands that being reckless and going ape-shit will do them no good.

Khepesh wrote:Putin is speaking now from Sochi and has, essentially, called Turkey a supporter of terrorism.......

Riight, a link would be nice...

macedonian wrote:

Khepesh wrote:Putin is speaking now from Sochi and has, essentially, called Turkey a supporter of terrorism.......

Riight, a link would be nice...

https://www.rt.com/on-air/

macedonian wrote:

Khepesh wrote:Putin is speaking now from Sochi and has, essentially, called Turkey a supporter of terrorism.......

Riight, a link would be nice...

He just said it LIVE. I already posted the link. You can't scroll up 2cm?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7343nXyGS0s

http://en.trend.az/world/turkey/2460312.html

Baku, Azerbaijan, Nov. 24

By Rufiz Hafizoglu – Trend:

Russia and Turkey will be unable to retain previous relations, Huseyin Altinalan, the head of Anadolu news agency’s Istanbul bureau, told Trend Nov. 24.

Altinalan was commenting on the incident with the Russian warplane downed in the Turkish airspace.

He said that Turkey is ready to do everything on its territory and beyond the country to protect its national interests.

Altinalan said that Turkey will render the necessary support to ethnic Turkomans in Syria.

He did not rule out that Russia and Syria, carrying out the operations against ethnic Turkomans, will face new surprises in the region.

The Turkish Air Force shot down the Russian military warplane SU-24 in its airspace. Both pilots managed to eject. The war plane crashed in the territory of Syria.

“Turkey will do its best to protect Syrian Turkomans,” the expert said.

So one of Turkey's chief propagandists takes it upon himself to threaten Russia further.

I have no doubt that those Islamists posing as 'moderate opposition', 'Turkmen', or whoever else will be swiftly eradicated in that area.

Khepesh wrote:Putin is speaking now from Sochi and has, essentially, called Turkey a supporter of terrorism.......

I don't think he said much. I caught his closing remark, "we will be cooperating with states from the region".
Very neutral statement. I guess he is not revealing his plans.

Khepesh wrote:Putin is speaking now from Sochi and has, essentially, called Turkey a supporter of terrorism.......

Yet didn't say anything of worth. Just the usual bs partners bla bla international community. How he can have 80-90% approval ratings in Russia is beyond me.
Basically Russia will not do anything just as expected.

Turkey begs for war

https://twitter.com/agitpapa?lang=de

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agitpapa hat Zaid Benjamin retweetet
RU rescue chopper damaged by TR fire made emergency landing. Could be more casualties.

Zaid Benjamin:
Emergency landing by Russian helicopter on one of the Syrian gov-controlled heights in Latakkia - Pro-#Damascus Central Military Media

flamming_python wrote:I have no doubt that those Islamists posing as 'moderate opposition', 'Turkmen', or whoever else will be swiftly eradicated in that area.

Also note that the Latakia area in question: Jabal Al Kurd (mountains of Kurds) is also known as Jabal Al Turkoman.
Since the 2011 revolution, Kurds were ethnically cleansed from there..... So now Erdogan is basically trying to "claim" it.

Neutrality wrote:

macedonian wrote:

Khepesh wrote:Putin is speaking now from Sochi and has, essentially, called Turkey a supporter of terrorism.......

Riight, a link would be nice...

He just said it LIVE. I already posted the link. You can't scroll up 2cm?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7343nXyGS0s

There is a difference between what you've stated:

Putin is condemning Turkey.

and what he said:

Putin is speaking now from Sochi and has, essentially, called Turkey a supporter of terrorism.......

Do try and keep up.

Putin: Turkey attacked Russian Su-24

http://ria.ru/world/20151124/1327550829.html

Putin about the incident with su-24: RF treated Turkey as a friendly country

РИА Новости http://ria.ru/world/20151124/1327553142.html#ixzz3sPgzfzMu

OMG people calm down. Speak softly and carry a big gun/stick/bomb. You were all over Putin for apparently exhibiting pacifism during Ukraine war, while in reality Russian Army (wind, volunteers, conveniently found weapons) was devastating UkrOpi. It's not as if he will go public and say that he will wipe out every single "FSA" "moderate" "ethnic Turkmen" "moderate headchopper" in Syria. Be sure that they will get some artillery and MLRS love. And that Turkish planes will be shot down at first opportunity within Syrian airspace.

Putin confirmed Su-24 shot down by AA missile four km inside Syrian territory. Putin is very careful with words, so what he has said about the incident and about Turkey is extremely serious and there will clearly be repurcussions.

macedonian wrote:

There is a difference between what you've stated:

Putin is condemning Turkey.

and what he said:

Putin is speaking now from Sochi and has, essentially, called Turkey a supporter of terrorism.......

Do try and keep up.

Oh you think publically calling them supporters of terrorism and trying to put NATO on ISIS side is not the same as condemnation?

Monarchist wrote:

Khepesh wrote:Putin is speaking now from Sochi and has, essentially, called Turkey a supporter of terrorism.......

Yet didn't say anything of worth. Just the usual bs partners bla bla international community. How he can have 80-90% approval ratings in Russia is beyond me.
Basically Russia will not do anything just as expected.

He won't attack Turkey and start WW3, if that's what you mean.

But I'm pretty sure he will do more than 'something'.

Neutrality wrote:

macedonian wrote:

There is a difference between what you've stated:

Putin is condemning Turkey.

and what he said:

Putin is speaking now from Sochi and has, essentially, called Turkey a supporter of terrorism.......

Do try and keep up.

Oh you think publically calling them supporters of terrorism and trying to put NATO on ISIS side is not the same as condemnation?

Khepesh wrote:Putin confirmed Su-24 shot down by AA missile four km inside Syrian territory. Putin is very careful with words, so what he has said about the incident and about Turkey is extremely serious and there will clearly be repurcussions.

as I said: please try and keep up...

KiloGolf wrote:

flamming_python wrote:I have no doubt that those Islamists posing as 'moderate opposition', 'Turkmen', or whoever else will be swiftly eradicated in that area.

Also note that the Latakia area in question: Jabal Al Kurd (mountains of Kurds) is also known as Jabal Al Turkoman.
Since the 2011 revolution, Kurds were ethnically cleansed from there..... So now Erdogan is basically trying to "claim" it.

I don't care who lives there, if there are innocent people there so let them live in peace. But it's quite clear that it's one of the main supply lines for Nusra and co. and a den of Islamism. Those Islamists must be eradicated.