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Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

Stealthflanker

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Post n°851

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Stealthflanker Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:07 pm

GarryB wrote:
Or they are idiots and a Russian drone might have been shot down and no one is game enough to go out to the wreckage to confirm... or it is just BS.

BS indication is strong here.

Plus.. it's not the first time hoax and false claim perpetrated from twitter or facebook.

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Rodinazombie Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:19 pm

Stealthflanker wrote:

GarryB wrote:
Or they are idiots and a Russian drone might have been shot down and no one is game enough to go out to the wreckage to confirm... or it is just BS.

BS indication is strong here.

Plus.. it's not the first time hoax and false claim perpetrated from twitter or facebook.

Its in the same place as those russian missiles that crashed in iran, or the armata tanks, topol m md 40k russian soldiers in donbass. The pics or it didnt happen rule works quite well, and 99.99% of the bullshit that comes out of western media/gov is not backed up by facts.

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Vann7 Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:43 pm

Pentagon was saying that 1,000 iranians were killed by the "Failed Cruise missiles" that
crashed in IRAN.. where are now the people saying.. the cruise missile crash was "confirmed"?
The western media is in full bullshit mode and will say anything that could downplay Russia
or damage its image..

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Neutrality Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:45 pm

Syrian army reports that they have liberated another region thanks to Russian VKS' support.

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Rodinazombie Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:48 pm

Vann7 wrote:

Pentagon was saying that 1,000 iranians were killed by the "Failed Cruise missiles" that
crashed in IRAN.. where are now the people saying.. the cruise missile crash was "confirmed"?
The western media is in full bullshit mode and will say anything that could downplay Russia
or damage its image..

1000?

Link please.

Stealthflanker

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Post n°856

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Stealthflanker Sat Oct 10, 2015 1:03 pm

Rodinazombie wrote:

Its in the same place as those russian missiles that crashed in iran, or the armata tanks, topol m md 40k russian soldiers in donbass. The pics or it didnt happen rule works quite well, and 99.99% of the bullshit that comes out of western media/gov is not backed up by facts.

and same place where ppl spreading died Syrian pilot and claim it as Russian one.

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Airbornewolf Sat Oct 10, 2015 1:05 pm

Neutrality wrote:Syrian army reports that they have liberated another region thanks to Russian VKS' support.

I cant describe in words how happy i am the Russians stepped in and stepped on that damn U.S eagle in Syria.

apparently the SAA with support of Hezbolla, RuAF and Iranian SF are really putting the hurt on ISIS. they seem to lose ground almost everywhere and sending ISIS in panic mode.

there are some losses that i'd liked to be lower... but its war sadly. most important thing now is to keep momentum forward.

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Vann7 Sat Oct 10, 2015 1:09 pm

Pro terrorist twitter media..are saying ISIS gained some territory in northen Aleppo province ,
while Russia was busy bombing "moderates".

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Neutrality Sat Oct 10, 2015 1:14 pm

Vann7 wrote:

Pro terrorist twitter media..are saying ISIS gained some territory in northen Aleppo province ,
while Russia was busy bombing "moderates".

I don't know about you but to me there are no moderates in Syria. There's only the Syrian army and several groups of Islamists trying to destroy a legitimate government regardless of the Western MSM spin on Assad's government. If the so-called "moderates" lose ground to another group of radicals then I don't care. Vice versa the same. Let them destroy eachother and the Russians will hand out the final blow to whoever remains.

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Erk Sat Oct 10, 2015 1:32 pm

Rodinazombie wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

Pentagon was saying that 1,000 iranians were killed by the "Failed Cruise missiles" that
crashed in IRAN.. where are now the people saying.. the cruise missile crash was "confirmed"?
The western media is in full bullshit mode and will say anything that could downplay Russia
or damage its image..

1000?

Link please.

Even if you got 1000 people to join hands and stand in a circle, then dropped a few cruise missiles into the middle of the circle I doubt fragments would be enough to kill them all. In reality you are not going to get the right arrangement of people for those kind of results, and that's if you detonate the things, not just crashing ones.

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NationalRus

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NationalRus Sat Oct 10, 2015 1:33 pm

Vann7 wrote:

Pro terrorist twitter media..are saying ISIS gained some territory in northen Aleppo province ,
while Russia was busy bombing "moderates".

aleppo might needed to be abandoned at some point,

this offensives and russian intervantion is not about recapturing the whole of the country, half of the country is litterly lost without a major offensive from everybody= kurds, SAA, Iraqi army, Iran etc. and for that the kurds need to close down and liberate the complet border with turkey first anyway

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Monarchist Sat Oct 10, 2015 1:58 pm

NationalRus wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

Pro terrorist twitter media..are saying ISIS gained some territory in northen Aleppo province ,
while Russia was busy bombing "moderates".

aleppo might needed to be abandoned at some point,

this offensives and russian intervantion is not about recapturing the whole of the country, half of the country is litterly lost without a major offensive from everybody= kurds, SAA, Iraqi army, Iran etc. and for that the kurds need to close down and liberate the complet border with turkey first anyway

Aleppo is one of the last places to be abandoned. It's out of the question to abandon the largest city in Syria while controlling half of it.

Can anybody explain to me why doesn't Russia send "kadyrovtsy" to fight in Syria, he already pleaded for them to be sent there.

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Erk Sat Oct 10, 2015 2:15 pm

Solncepek wrote:^^^
If this info is true, we must see in the next few days the murder of some rebel leaders inside their bunkers...

P.S. Also hitting ammo-convoys and telecommunication networks, coming from Saudi Arabia

What the Russians haven't hit yet is the oil extraction facilities and road tankers that ISIS have been using as a source of income via Turkey. The US coalition have been bombing around them for a year and magically not hitting these easy ISIS targets.

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Post n°864

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PapaDragon Sat Oct 10, 2015 2:16 pm

Vann7 wrote:

Pro terrorist twitter media..are saying ISIS gained some territory in northen Aleppo province ,
while Russia was busy bombing "moderates".

Good, let the scum bleed each other dry, less work for SAA later. Terrorists are all living on borrowed time now anyway.

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Guest Sat Oct 10, 2015 2:36 pm

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NationalRus Sat Oct 10, 2015 2:37 pm

Monarchist wrote:

NationalRus wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

Pro terrorist twitter media..are saying ISIS gained some territory in northen Aleppo province ,
while Russia was busy bombing "moderates".

aleppo might needed to be abandoned at some point,

this offensives and russian intervantion is not about recapturing the whole of the country, half of the country is litterly lost without a major offensive from everybody= kurds, SAA, Iraqi army, Iran etc. and for that the kurds need to close down and liberate the complet border with turkey first anyway

Aleppo is one of the last places to be abandoned. It's out of the question to abandon the largest city in Syria while controlling half of it.

Can anybody explain to me why doesn't Russia send "kadyrovtsy" to fight in Syria, he already pleaded for them to be sent there.

becouse "kadyrovts" are also russian troops and ther wont be a russian ground force involvment yet, special forces in tactical raids would be welcomed, and i hope they do it

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flamming_python Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:30 pm

Kimppis wrote:How I feel right now:

Sure did.

Not sure if for the best either.

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PapaDragon Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:48 pm

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max steel Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:37 pm

From conspiracy theories to conspiracy facts. - I have been for years frustrated with all the decent people who try to seem clever and cultivated by declaring that they don't believe in conspiracy theories. Well, look at this heading, only a week ago you would have been labeled conspiracy theorists for claiming the Syrian rebels were CIA-backed. But now in a strange twist of logic in what appars to be their last desperate attempt to save them, the propaganda media - here the New York Times - has pulled out all the stops and actually proudly declare that those devils are CIA-backed. - Strange though, they decided to call them CIA-backed and not US-backed. Considering that the CIA really is a dirty word in most parts of the world, it confuses me that this label was chosen. Any idea why?

Officials: CIA-Backed Syrian Rebels Under Russian Blitz

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JohninMK Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:14 pm

Mmmm, the US pilots speaking Russian or the Russian pilots speaking English, no opportunity for confusion there then!

The US said that Washington and Moscow are planning to resume negotiations in order to avoid accidents in the Syrian airspace, as both the countries are conducting airstrikes in Syria. Pentagon spokesman Peter Cook stated that Russia has responded to the US proposal on safety in operations in the airspace of Syria. According to him, bilateral talks are likely to take place over this weekend.

In particular, the parties will discuss what language the crews will communicate in and how much air space these aircrafts will leave for one another.

Since September 30, Russian planes with the permission from Syrian authorities have been conducting air strikes on the positions of terrorists in Syria. The US also announced that their fighters are conducting strikes on terrorist strongholds in the Arab countries.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/politics/20151010/1028313000/us-russia-syria-talks.html#ixzz3oB6lHhPO

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whir Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:22 pm

max steel wrote:Any idea why?

Read the first paragraph to understand the headline:

"CIA-backed rebels in Syria, who had begun to put serious pressure on President Bashar Assad's forces, are now under Russian bombardment with little prospect of rescue by their American patrons, U.S. officials say."

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max steel Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:26 pm

zg18 wrote:

max steel wrote:"The New Middle East”: Russian Style (I)

“The New Middle East”: Russian Style (IIA)

Nice read , thanks for posting.

“The New Middle East”: Russian Style (III)

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max steel Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:28 pm

Stealthflanker wrote:

max steel wrote:
Russian missile 3M-54 Klub fly like a Tomahawk until they are 20-30 miles out then they fire a solid booster and accelerate to 2.9 mach with terminal maneuvers if these work as advertised they are MUCH better than Block 4 Tomahawks except for loiter and seek.

Well that's anti ship variant.

3M-54 is an AShm or a cruise missile ? I thought its a cruise missile.

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Guest Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:40 pm

max steel wrote:

Stealthflanker wrote:

max steel wrote:
Russian missile 3M-54 Klub fly like a Tomahawk until they are 20-30 miles out then they fire a solid booster and accelerate to 2.9 mach with terminal maneuvers if these work as advertised they are MUCH better than Block 4 Tomahawks except for loiter and seek.

Well that's anti ship variant.

3M-54 is an AShm or a cruise missile ? I thought its a cruise missile.

I belive that is for 3M54, 3M54E and 3M54TE. For this attack they used 3M14T which is land attack variant, which has subsonic speed during whole flight including terminal part of it, that is partially reason for so long range. Anti ship variants tho have terminal booster to increase kinetic performance on target and chance of destruction by air defence.

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Guest Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:50 pm

"Iraq’s Defense Ministry said Friday it was not informed when Russia launched more than two dozen cruise missiles across its airspace this week, and it described the lack of coordination in the region’s increasingly cluttered skies as “dangerous.”

U.S. officials have also said they were given no notification before Russia fired the volley of 26 cruise missiles, which traveled nearly 1,000 miles across Iran and Iraq and into Syria from warships in the Caspian Sea — despite the ongoing presence of U.S.-led coalition jets in the airspace.

“Iraq didn’t have any idea about those missiles,” said Brig. Gen. Tahseen Ibrahim, a spokesman for the Iraqi Defense Ministry. “We have coalition forces’ air power in the air, our planes in the air, transportation. This is dangerous.”However, Ibrahim said, the coordination center at the heart of that deal is not yet fully functioning, which is why the information was not shared. The lack of notification about Russia’s cruise missiles was the main focus of discussions when Gen. John R. Allen, the retired U.S. officer in charge of the international coalition to counter the Islamic State, visited the Iraqi Defense Ministry on Thursday, Ibrahim said."

Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/iraq-says-it-was-not-warned-about-russian-missiles-crossing-its-airspace/2015/10/09/bec6bb5c-6e8f-11e5-91eb-27ad15c2b723_story.html

So, which one is it. Done in cooperation with Iraq/Iran, or they actually did not have any clue Russians would use cruise missiles?

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