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    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

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    Post  max steel Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:58 pm

    so russian cruise missiles didn't contain a solid booster for high speed terminal maneuvers ?



    US NEXT GAME PLAN : BREWING WAR AGAINST IRAN BY USING SAME TACTICS OF BACKING BLACKLISTED TERRORISTS


    As US attempts to extort a settlement in Syria built on regime-change, US senators and generals conspire to arm and back a new terrorist army aimed at Iran.

    October 10, 2015 (Tony Cartalucci - LD) - An October 7, 2015 hearing before the US Senate Committee on Armed Forces (SASC) titled, "Iranian Influence in Iraq and the Case of Camp Liberty," served as a reaffirmation of America's commitment to back the terrorist organization Mujahedeen e-Khalq (MEK) and specifically 2,400 members of the organization being harbored on a former US military base in Iraq.




    Providing testimony was former US Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, former US Marine Corps Commandant and former Supreme Allied Commander Europe General James Jones, USMC (Ret.), and Colonel Wesley Martin, US Army (Ret.).

    All three witnesses made passionate pleas before a room full of nodding senators for America to continue backing not only MEK terrorists currently harbored on a former US military base in Iraq, but to back groups like MEK inside of Iran itself to threaten the very survival of the government in Tehran.

    In the opening remarks by Lieberman, he stated:

    It was not only right and just that we took them off the foreign terrorist organization list, but the truth is now that we ought to be supportive of them and others in opposition to the government in Iran more than we have been.

    Lieberman would also state (emphasis added):

    Here's my point Mr. Chairman, we ought to compartmentalize that agreement also, that nuclear agreement. We ought to put it over there, and not let it stop us from confronting what they're doing in Syria. Continuing the sanctions for human rights violations in Iran in support of terrorism. And here's the point I want to make about the National Council of Resistance of Iran and other democratic opposition groups that are Iranian - we ought to be supporting them.

    This regime in Tehran is hopeless. It's not going to change. There's no evidence ... every piece of evidence says the contrary. So I hope we can find a way, we used to do this not so long ago, supporting opposition groups in Iran. They deserve our support, and actually they would constitute a form of pressure on the government in Tehran that would unsettle them as much as anything else we could do because it would threaten the survival of the regime which from every objective indicator I can see is a very unpopular regime in Iran.

    The United States, unrepentant regarding the arc of chaos, mass murder, terrorism, civilizational destruction it has created stretching from Libya to Syria, now seeks openly to extend it further into Iran using precisely the same tactics - the use of terrorist proxies - to dismantle and destroy Iranian society.

    While Lieberman, General Jones, and Colonel Martin all failed categorically to accurately describe the true nature of the MEK terrorists they seek to support in a proxy war with Iran, the US policy papers these three lobbyists are reading from have done so and in great detail.

    MEK is a Listed Terror Organization for a Reason

    MEK has carried out decades of brutal terrorist attacks, assassinations, and espionage against the Iranian government and its people, as well as targeting Americans including the attempted kidnapping of US Ambassador Douglas MacArthur II, the attempted assassination of USAF Brigadier General Harold Price, the successful assassination of Lieutenant Colonel Louis Lee Hawkins, the double assassinations of Colonel Paul Shaffer and Lieutenant Colonel Jack Turner, and the successful ambush and killing of American Rockwell International employees William Cottrell, Donald Smith, and Robert Krongard.


    In Iraq, 1997. Saddam Hussein used MEK terrorists to wage proxy war on Iran. Ironically despite accusing Hussein of state-sponsored terrorism for just such a policy, the US eagerly inherited the terrorist organization and has since then aspired to use MEK in a similar fashion.  

    Admissions to the deaths of the Rockwell International employees can be found within a report written by former US State Department and Department of Defense official Lincoln Bloomfield Jr. on behalf of the lobbying firm Akin Gump in an attempt to dismiss concerns over MEK's violent past and how it connects to its current campaign of armed terror - a testament to the depths of depravity from which Washington and London lobbyists operate.

    To this day MEK terrorists have been carrying out attacks inside of Iran killing political opponents, attacking civilian targets, as well as carrying out the US-Israeli program of targeting and assassinating Iranian scientists. MEK terrorists are also suspected of handling patsies in recent false flag operations carried out in India, Georgia, and Thailand, which have been ham-handedly blamed on the Iranian government.

    MEK is described by Council on Foreign Relations Senior Fellow Ray Takeyh as a "cult-like organization" with "totalitarian tendencies." While Takeyh fails to expand on what he meant by "cult-like" and "totalitarian," an interview with US State Department-run Radio Free Europe-Radio Liberty reported that a MEK Camp Ashraf escapee claimed the terrorist organization bans marriage, using radios, the Internet, and holds many members against their will with the threat of death if ever they are caught attempting to escape.

    Not once is any of this back-story mentioned in the testimony of any of the witnesses before the senate hearing, defiling the memories of those who have been murdered and otherwise victimized by this terrorist organization. The de-listing of MEK in 2012 as a foreign terrorist organization by the US State Department is another indictment of the utter lack of principles the US clearly hides behind rather than in any way upholds as a matter of executing foreign policy.

    American Support of Anti-Iranian Mercenaries a Prelude to Wider War



    MEK has already afforded the US the ability to wage a low-intensity conflict with Iran. MEK's role in doing so was eagerly discussed in 2009, several years before it was even de-listed as a terrorist organization by the US State Department in the Brooking Institution's policy paper "Which Path to Persia? Options for a New American Strategy Toward Iran" (PDF).  

    The report stated (emphasis added):
    Perhaps the most prominent (and certainly the most controversial) opposition group that has attracted attention as a potential U.S. proxy is the NCRI (National Council of Resistance of Iran), the political movement established by the MEK (Mujahedin-e Khalq). Critics believe the group to be undemocratic and unpopular, and indeed anti-American.

    In contrast, the group’s champions contend that the movement’s long-standing opposition to the Iranian regime and record of successful attacks on and intelligence-gathering operations against the regime make it worthy of U.S. support. They also argue that the group is no longer anti-American and question the merit of earlier accusations. Raymond Tanter, one of the group’s supporters in the United States, contends that the MEK and the NCRI are allies for regime change in Tehran and also act as a useful proxy for gathering intelligence. The MEK’s greatest intelligence coup was the provision of intelligence in 2002 that led to the discovery of a secret site in Iran for enriching uranium.  


    Despite its defenders’ claims, the MEK remains on the U.S. government list of foreign terrorist organizations. In the 1970s, the group killed three U.S. officers and three civilian contractors in Iran. During the 1979-1980 hostage crisis, the group praised the decision to take America hostages and Elaine Sciolino reported that while group leaders publicly condemned the 9/11 attacks, within the group celebrations were widespread.

    Undeniably, the group has conducted terrorist attacks—often excused by the MEK’s advocates because they are directed against the Iranian government. For example, in 1981, the group bombed the headquarters of the Islamic Republic Party, which was then the clerical leadership’s main political organization, killing an estimated 70 senior officials. More recently, the group has claimed credit for over a dozen mortar attacks, assassinations, and other assaults on Iranian civilian and military targets between 1998 and 2001. At the very least, to work more closely with the group (at least in an overt manner), Washington would need to remove it from the list of foreign terrorist organizations.

    Proof that Brookings' policy paper was more than a mere theoretical exercise, in 2012 MEK would indeed be de-listed by the US State Department with support for the terrorist organization expanded. The fact that former senators and retired generals representing well-funded corporate think tanks even just this week are plotting to use MEK to overthrow the Iranian government should raise alarms that other criminality conspired within the pages of this policy paper may still well be in play.

    Lieberman himself suggests that proxy war and regime-change should proceed regardless of the so-called "nuclear deal" - with the 2009 Brookings report itself having stated that (emphasis added):

    any military operation against Iran will likely be very unpopular around the world and require the proper international context—both to ensure the logistical support the operation would require and to minimize the blowback from it.

    The best way to minimize international opprobrium and maximize support (however, grudging or covert) is to strike only when there is a widespread conviction that the Iranians were given but then rejected a superb offer—one so good that only a regime determined to acquire nuclear weapons and acquire them for the wrong reasons would turn it down.

    Under those circumstances, the United States (or Israel) could portray its operations as taken in sorrow, not anger, and at least some in the international community would conclude that the Iranians “brought it on themselves” by refusing a very good deal.

    Clearly, both Brookings in 2009, and Lieberman this week have conspired to use the so-called "Iranian Nuclear Deal" as cover for betrayal and regime change.

    For those wondering why Russia has intervened in Syria in the matter that it has, it should be plainly obvious. The US has no intention to stop in Syria. With Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya behind it, and Syria within its clutches, it is clear that Iran is next, and inevitably this global blitzkrieg will not stop until it reaches Moscow and Beijing.


    Image: Russia is not in Syria to merely "prop up" the Syrian government - it is in Syria to stop a global blitzkrieg that has consumed several nations before Syria, and will consume all nations after Syria, including Russia itself.

    Even as the US adamantly denies the obvious - that is has intentionally created and is currently perpetuating Al Qaeda, the so-called "Islamic State," and other terrorist groups in Syria, it is openly conspiring to use another army of terrorists against neighboring Iran, live before a US Senate hearing. Should the US succeed in Syria, it would not be the end of the conflict, but only the end of the beginning of a much wider world war.


    US senators and generals conspire to arm and back a new terrorist army aimed at Iran
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    Post  Werewolf Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:04 pm

    Seriously Russia just should use SLCM's against Saudi shit of Arabia and let see then how many terrorists will enlist or spread across the region.

    Grow some balls, US can't do jackshit when Russia uses massive cruise missiles against Saudi shits. They have no logistics in that region, they lost trust years ago, they lost sanity...well they never had any but who cares. Just get on with it and decapitate US terror spreading by killing every single existing terror financing,organizating and supporting shit in that region, start with Saudi shits, not a NATO member US will bark, ICC will bark, world will cheer and US will shit bricks.
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    Post  Vann7 Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:29 pm

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    Can anybody explain to me why doesn't Russia send "kadyrovtsy" to fight in Syria, he already pleaded for them to be sent there.

    There are few thousands of Russian citizens from muslins religion fighting on the side of ISIS.. according to Russian government.  The last thing Russia wants is send chechens there that develop a love for war.. and later bring tha "love" to Russia and use it against the Russian government at the first opportunity there is a breach of relations.  Russia needs people loyal
    to Mother Russia and that do not blink for respect to the Russian president.. And it was Kadyrov
    himself not long ago who threatened to kill the Russian FSB is they dare to go to chechenia without informing him..  Shocked    

    http://www.ibtimes.com/ramzan-kadyrov-hot-water-russian-interior-ministry-shoot-kill-order-1894856

    I tell you this..in any other nation in the world.. such words will have been enough to put in Jail him for a direct threat to the human life of Government officers..

    Any police in the west who threaten to kill his own commander..or the president..if they do not do what he says is automatically withing 24hours....
    1) disarmed and fired from the job..
    2) arrested
    3) and put in Jail

    This is Automatic.. And for the only reason he is not in jail perhaps for him being too popular and creating a major security unrest problem if he arrested ,im surprised the west is not trying
    to explode more this real serious break in confidence that Kadirov will never regain again. and that Russia government will try only to tolerate him and keep more open their eyes about him.

    So you see is a BIG Risk to Trust in chechens.. if Russia sends them there to fight.. they will fight for Kadyrov and not for Russia.. The last thing Russia needs is to send muslins there to Syria to fight..that develop love for war and that could become Rebels one day. Is not like is not unthinkable there are severals reports of former special forces from Russia and from former soviet republics that Russia federal government trained and later they joining ISIS...

    In short ,Russia needs to keep away muslins ,specially chechens who always show an obsession of being Ready to die for anything.. (ie.. have Extremist aptitude )  from any conflict and not help create potential problems later.  Because they are not loyal to Mother Russia but to islam.
    and their readyness to die.. as Kadyrov many times said to be, makes them dangerous ,potential time bombs that you need to keep away of any conflict or war..  And the very fact
    that Kadyrov have rebellious aptitudes and threated to kill Russian federal government police before.. truly puts him on the watch list..of no confidence.   Kadyrov cut his legs when he announced such stupid things like threatening Russia government..and he will never again regain the trust for any special mission. IF any i think Russian Government will prefer he to quit
    ..is too popular ,and too rebelious and a bad example for other muslins to follow. But for now they prefer to tolerate him.. People with explosive aptitudes like kadyrov ,cannot be allowed to become more popular and given special trust or give any job that require full loyalty to the state.


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    Post  auslander Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:32 pm

    max steel wrote: As Russia is one gulp was removed from the Maritime domain the U.S. Navy

    This is the most important link, the harbinger of things to come. Before the Kalibr strike the hysteria in the west media was to be expected any time Mr. Putin goes to the toilet and is out of sight for a few minutes. I don't think the fops in the media in general have a clue as to the signal importance and the very clear message of the Kalibr strike put on by what is, or was, in essence a river fleet, but I have no doubts that US, EU, China, Japan, Australia and Rwanda fully understand the import of what that little fleet operating in an inland sea has done.
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    Post  par far Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:44 pm

    max steel wrote:so russian cruise missiles didn't contain a solid booster for high speed terminal maneuvers ?



    US NEXT GAME PLAN : BREWING WAR AGAINST IRAN BY USING SAME TACTICS OF BACKING BLACKLISTED TERRORISTS


    As US attempts to extort a settlement in Syria built on regime-change, US senators and generals conspire to arm and back a new terrorist army aimed at Iran.

    October 10, 2015 (Tony Cartalucci - LD) - An October 7, 2015 hearing before the US Senate Committee on Armed Forces (SASC) titled, "Iranian Influence in Iraq and the Case of Camp Liberty," served as a reaffirmation of America's commitment to back the terrorist organization Mujahedeen e-Khalq (MEK) and specifically 2,400 members of the organization being harbored on a former US military base in Iraq.




    Providing testimony was former US Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, former US Marine Corps Commandant and former Supreme Allied Commander Europe General James Jones, USMC (Ret.), and Colonel Wesley Martin, US Army (Ret.).

    All three witnesses made passionate pleas before a room full of nodding senators for America to continue backing not only MEK terrorists currently harbored on a former US military base in Iraq, but to back groups like MEK inside of Iran itself to threaten the very survival of the government in Tehran.

    In the opening remarks by Lieberman, he stated:

    It was not only right and just that we took them off the foreign terrorist organization list, but the truth is now that we ought to be supportive of them and others in opposition to the government in Iran more than we have been.

    Lieberman would also state (emphasis added):

    Here's my point Mr. Chairman, we ought to compartmentalize that agreement also, that nuclear agreement. We ought to put it over there, and not let it stop us from confronting what they're doing in Syria. Continuing the sanctions for human rights violations in Iran in support of terrorism. And here's the point I want to make about the National Council of Resistance of Iran and other democratic opposition groups that are Iranian - we ought to be supporting them.

    This regime in Tehran is hopeless. It's not going to change. There's no evidence ... every piece of evidence says the contrary. So I hope we can find a way, we used to do this not so long ago, supporting opposition groups in Iran. They deserve our support, and actually they would constitute a form of pressure on the government in Tehran that would unsettle them as much as anything else we could do because it would threaten the survival of the regime which from every objective indicator I can see is a very unpopular regime in Iran.

    The United States, unrepentant regarding the arc of chaos, mass murder, terrorism, civilizational destruction it has created stretching from Libya to Syria, now seeks openly to extend it further into Iran using precisely the same tactics - the use of terrorist proxies - to dismantle and destroy Iranian society.

    While Lieberman, General Jones, and Colonel Martin all failed categorically to accurately describe the true nature of the MEK terrorists they seek to support in a proxy war with Iran, the US policy papers these three lobbyists are reading from have done so and in great detail.

    MEK is a Listed Terror Organization for a Reason

    MEK has carried out decades of brutal terrorist attacks, assassinations, and espionage against the Iranian government and its people, as well as targeting Americans including the attempted kidnapping of US Ambassador Douglas MacArthur II, the attempted assassination of USAF Brigadier General Harold Price, the successful assassination of Lieutenant Colonel Louis Lee Hawkins, the double assassinations of Colonel Paul Shaffer and Lieutenant Colonel Jack Turner, and the successful ambush and killing of American Rockwell International employees William Cottrell, Donald Smith, and Robert Krongard.


    In Iraq, 1997. Saddam Hussein used MEK terrorists to wage proxy war on Iran. Ironically despite accusing Hussein of state-sponsored terrorism for just such a policy, the US eagerly inherited the terrorist organization and has since then aspired to use MEK in a similar fashion.  

    Admissions to the deaths of the Rockwell International employees can be found within a report written by former US State Department and Department of Defense official Lincoln Bloomfield Jr. on behalf of the lobbying firm Akin Gump in an attempt to dismiss concerns over MEK's violent past and how it connects to its current campaign of armed terror - a testament to the depths of depravity from which Washington and London lobbyists operate.

    To this day MEK terrorists have been carrying out attacks inside of Iran killing political opponents, attacking civilian targets, as well as carrying out the US-Israeli program of targeting and assassinating Iranian scientists. MEK terrorists are also suspected of handling patsies in recent false flag operations carried out in India, Georgia, and Thailand, which have been ham-handedly blamed on the Iranian government.

    MEK is described by Council on Foreign Relations Senior Fellow Ray Takeyh as a "cult-like organization" with "totalitarian tendencies." While Takeyh fails to expand on what he meant by "cult-like" and "totalitarian," an interview with US State Department-run Radio Free Europe-Radio Liberty reported that a MEK Camp Ashraf escapee claimed the terrorist organization bans marriage, using radios, the Internet, and holds many members against their will with the threat of death if ever they are caught attempting to escape.

    Not once is any of this back-story mentioned in the testimony of any of the witnesses before the senate hearing, defiling the memories of those who have been murdered and otherwise victimized by this terrorist organization. The de-listing of MEK in 2012 as a foreign terrorist organization by the US State Department is another indictment of the utter lack of principles the US clearly hides behind rather than in any way upholds as a matter of executing foreign policy.

    American Support of Anti-Iranian Mercenaries a Prelude to Wider War



    MEK has already afforded the US the ability to wage a low-intensity conflict with Iran. MEK's role in doing so was eagerly discussed in 2009, several years before it was even de-listed as a terrorist organization by the US State Department in the Brooking Institution's policy paper "Which Path to Persia? Options for a New American Strategy Toward Iran" (PDF).  

    The report stated (emphasis added):
    Perhaps the most prominent (and certainly the most controversial) opposition group that has attracted attention as a potential U.S. proxy is the NCRI (National Council of Resistance of Iran), the political movement established by the MEK (Mujahedin-e Khalq). Critics believe the group to be undemocratic and unpopular, and indeed anti-American.

    In contrast, the group’s champions contend that the movement’s long-standing opposition to the Iranian regime and record of successful attacks on and intelligence-gathering operations against the regime make it worthy of U.S. support. They also argue that the group is no longer anti-American and question the merit of earlier accusations. Raymond Tanter, one of the group’s supporters in the United States, contends that the MEK and the NCRI are allies for regime change in Tehran and also act as a useful proxy for gathering intelligence. The MEK’s greatest intelligence coup was the provision of intelligence in 2002 that led to the discovery of a secret site in Iran for enriching uranium.  


    Despite its defenders’ claims, the MEK remains on the U.S. government list of foreign terrorist organizations. In the 1970s, the group killed three U.S. officers and three civilian contractors in Iran. During the 1979-1980 hostage crisis, the group praised the decision to take America hostages and Elaine Sciolino reported that while group leaders publicly condemned the 9/11 attacks, within the group celebrations were widespread.

    Undeniably, the group has conducted terrorist attacks—often excused by the MEK’s advocates because they are directed against the Iranian government. For example, in 1981, the group bombed the headquarters of the Islamic Republic Party, which was then the clerical leadership’s main political organization, killing an estimated 70 senior officials. More recently, the group has claimed credit for over a dozen mortar attacks, assassinations, and other assaults on Iranian civilian and military targets between 1998 and 2001. At the very least, to work more closely with the group (at least in an overt manner), Washington would need to remove it from the list of foreign terrorist organizations.

    Proof that Brookings' policy paper was more than a mere theoretical exercise, in 2012 MEK would indeed be de-listed by the US State Department with support for the terrorist organization expanded. The fact that former senators and retired generals representing well-funded corporate think tanks even just this week are plotting to use MEK to overthrow the Iranian government should raise alarms that other criminality conspired within the pages of this policy paper may still well be in play.

    Lieberman himself suggests that proxy war and regime-change should proceed regardless of the so-called "nuclear deal" - with the 2009 Brookings report itself having stated that (emphasis added):

    any military operation against Iran will likely be very unpopular around the world and require the proper international context—both to ensure the logistical support the operation would require and to minimize the blowback from it.

    The best way to minimize international opprobrium and maximize support (however, grudging or covert) is to strike only when there is a widespread conviction that the Iranians were given but then rejected a superb offer—one so good that only a regime determined to acquire nuclear weapons and acquire them for the wrong reasons would turn it down.

    Under those circumstances, the United States (or Israel) could portray its operations as taken in sorrow, not anger, and at least some in the international community would conclude that the Iranians “brought it on themselves” by refusing a very good deal.

    Clearly, both Brookings in 2009, and Lieberman this week have conspired to use the so-called "Iranian Nuclear Deal" as cover for betrayal and regime change.

    For those wondering why Russia has intervened in Syria in the matter that it has, it should be plainly obvious. The US has no intention to stop in Syria. With Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya behind it, and Syria within its clutches, it is clear that Iran is next, and inevitably this global blitzkrieg will not stop until it reaches Moscow and Beijing.


    Image: Russia is not in Syria to merely "prop up" the Syrian government - it is in Syria to stop a global blitzkrieg that has consumed several nations before Syria, and will consume all nations after Syria, including Russia itself.

    Even as the US adamantly denies the obvious - that is has intentionally created and is currently perpetuating Al Qaeda, the so-called "Islamic State," and other terrorist groups in Syria, it is openly conspiring to use another army of terrorists against neighboring Iran, live before a US Senate hearing. Should the US succeed in Syria, it would not be the end of the conflict, but only the end of the beginning of a much wider world war.


    US senators and generals conspire to arm and back a new terrorist army aimed at Iran


    The Iranians already know this and they have made their own proxy armies, against this threat.
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    Post  max steel Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:59 pm

    U.S. Pulls Aircraft Carrier Central in Fight Against Islamic State From Persian Gulf


    U.S. Navy now, for the first time since 2007, has no aircraft carrier in the sea. The aircraft carrier was taken out late Thursday so that it can undergo maintenance, but its temporary removal is also part of budget cuts.

    The nuclear-powered USS Theodore Roosevelt, which houses approximately 5,000 troops and 65 combat planes, has played a large role in the Obama administration bomb campaign against Islamic State (IS, also known as ISIL or ISIS) since its conception in 2014.
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    Post  NationalRus Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:14 pm

    Werewolf wrote:Seriously Russia just should use SLCM's against Saudi shit of Arabia and let see then how many terrorists will enlist or spread across the region.

    Grow some balls, US can't do jackshit when Russia uses massive cruise missiles against Saudi shits. They have no logistics in that region, they lost trust years ago, they lost sanity...well they never had any but who cares. Just get on with it and decapitate US terror spreading by killing every single existing terror financing,organizating and supporting shit in that region, start with Saudi shits, not a NATO member US will bark, ICC will bark, world will cheer and US will shit bricks.

    the fallout would be more then we can handle, the senctions would be harden then on saddam hussein in the 90's traditional allies like even china and india who have massive interest in KSA would distence them selfs from us und drop us politicaly, also some few missles wouldent change shit, KSA wahabi dogs would step up ther terror support fro ISIS all across the world till the caucasus 1000fold all the other sunni nations and big time saudi dogs allies would od the same, qatar, bahrain, UAE, Kuweit, jordan even Oman would stand in solidarity with KSA, other sunni nations like indonesia, malaysia with who we have great relationships also economicaly would drop us like a hot stone and support KSA dogs, even neutral to our intervantion and friendly allies like egypt and algeria, morroco, lebanon from which then thausends now radicalized sunni dogs in the north would storm in to syria and start another civil war in lebanon

    KSA scum is off hands for us, the only thing that could help us drive the saudis from the levante is if they would attack assad like the wanted trough jordan and hit some of our troops in latakia or shot down our jet, this we could exploit in propaganda to the max internationaly, threaten them to shot them down and then justifying a full blown interventionist invasion in syria with ground troops

    a hot headed american approach would blow up the middle east (against us) now is the time for cooly strategic thinking which we do quite good till now


    NationalRus on Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:15 am
    we have a great opportunity, fighting ISIS and whipping out FSA, staying neutral wont help, ISIS is not somebody you can make agrements with, we should join the fight, operating from a base in maybe Latakia Syria

    then we can jointly fight ISIS and bomb FSA, i mean ther strongest group jabhat al nusra is litterly al quida, hitting some others while at it wont do bad also, and with a air force base in Syria we will finally secure Syria from USA and destroy ther FSA cronys while being a official allie of them so they cant even complain, killing 3 flys with one move

    time to act

    well call me nostradamus but i saw the situation all way back to 2014 and i was the first to fuel and rely support for a intervantion back in middle 2014! and everything has come as i said even the reasons for the intervantion, but back then when i said we need to stand by our ally's and friends in such a unbelievable FAVOURABLE  situation you all guys (you to Werwolf, page #30 Russian Arms Contracts) specialy dear Gerry immediately said we should drop our allys and friends and that even under such unbelieveble good circumstances we should drop our geopolitcal interests... now AFTER it happened suddenly you all got back in line...


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    Post  JohninMK Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:16 pm

    auslander wrote:
    max steel wrote: As Russia is one gulp was removed from the Maritime domain the U.S. Navy

    This is the most important link, the harbinger of things to come. Before the Kalibr strike the hysteria in the west media was to be expected any time Mr. Putin goes to the toilet and is out of sight for a few minutes. I don't think the fops in the media in general have a clue as to the signal importance and the very clear message of the Kalibr strike put on by what is, or was, in essence a river fleet, but I have no doubts that US, EU, China, Japan, Australia and Rwanda fully understand the import of what that little fleet operating in an inland sea has done.
    Spot on. But it is even more important than you say. The potential availability of a four round Kalibr installation in a standard shipping container, loaded onto say a small trawler or lorry, gives a new meaning to the phrase 'shoot and scoot'.
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    Post  sepheronx Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:17 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:and certain journalists already alleges stand off between VVS and Turkish air force...

    https://twitter.com/yasseralhaji1

    and some "news website" already picking the shit out of it and add their own seasoning...

    http://warmonitor.net/news/2015/10/09/reports-turkey-shoots-down-russian-jet-in-airspace-violation/

    ....

    So is it now acceptable to post any bs from Twitter?
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:21 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    Stealthflanker wrote:and certain journalists already alleges stand off between VVS and Turkish air force...

    https://twitter.com/yasseralhaji1

    and some "news website" already picking the shit out of it and add their own seasoning...

    http://warmonitor.net/news/2015/10/09/reports-turkey-shoots-down-russian-jet-in-airspace-violation/

    ....

    So is it now acceptable to post any bs from Twitter?

    If Turkey wants to get glassed, that's the good way to do it.
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    Post  Guest Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:22 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    Stealthflanker wrote:and certain journalists already alleges stand off between VVS and Turkish air force...

    https://twitter.com/yasseralhaji1

    and some "news website" already picking the shit out of it and add their own seasoning...

    http://warmonitor.net/news/2015/10/09/reports-turkey-shoots-down-russian-jet-in-airspace-violation/

    ....

    So is it now acceptable to post any bs from Twitter?

    In last 10 days there were at least 5 or 6 separate claims on twitter of "MiG29 being shot in Syria/Turkey" by Turkish air force, so its best to just ignore such waves of BS desinformations and wait for some confirmation. Some respected journalists in wish to report as early as possible shared that crap and made themself to look like fools.
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    Post  sepheronx Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:22 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Stealthflanker wrote:and certain journalists already alleges stand off between VVS and Turkish air force...

    https://twitter.com/yasseralhaji1

    and some "news website" already picking the shit out of it and add their own seasoning...

    http://warmonitor.net/news/2015/10/09/reports-turkey-shoots-down-russian-jet-in-airspace-violation/

    ....

    So is it now acceptable to post any bs from Twitter?

    If Turkey wants to get glassed, that's the good way to do it.

    Pretty much.  And we would have actually heard anything of it.  Instead, all I am hearing is about the terrorist attacks in Turkey and how Russia gave its condolences to Turkey over it.

    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Stealthflanker wrote:and certain journalists already alleges stand off between VVS and Turkish air force...

    https://twitter.com/yasseralhaji1

    and some "news website" already picking the shit out of it and add their own seasoning...

    http://warmonitor.net/news/2015/10/09/reports-turkey-shoots-down-russian-jet-in-airspace-violation/

    ....

    So is it now acceptable to post any bs from Twitter?

    In last 10 days there were at least 5 or 6 separate claims on twitter of "MiG29 being shot in Syria/Turkey" by Turkish air force, so its best to just ignore such waves of BS desinformations and wait for some confirmation. Some respected journalists in wish to report as early as possible shared that crap and made themself to look like fools.

    And any self respected journalist would know that Russia doesn't have MiG-29's in Syria.
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    Post  Stealthflanker Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:43 pm

    sepheronx wrote:

    So is it now acceptable to post any bs from Twitter?

    Im actually want to post only that "alternative media news" But guess.. i think it would be better to include their original source material.
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    Post  Werewolf Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:43 pm

    I have the impression that you like your lunatic talking more than actually trying to make sense in this world.

    Nobody will abondon Russia the superpower that every shit nation on this planet relies for resources over Saudi shit of Arabia for some cruise missiles destroying terrorist regime. China will not abondon russia, India will do jackshit, it is a nobody without russia and couldn't even handle surviving its military and politically without russia, all rest of nations do not matter they do not hold any military,economical or political power. No sanction from NATO/EU/US can do jackshit to russia, that isn't the past of traitors who have been licking jews and murican arses all day.

    The only thing you will see when Russia would annihilate Saudi shits of Arabian regime, is cheer and more and more barking US with reluctant europe, because they know that they are the cannon fodder, most probably to late but US is dead it just struggles to accept that fact.
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    Post  auslander Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:46 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    auslander wrote:
    max steel wrote: As Russia is one gulp was removed from the Maritime domain the U.S. Navy

    This is the most important link, the harbinger of things to come. Before the Kalibr strike the hysteria in the west media was to be expected any time Mr. Putin goes to the toilet and is out of sight for a few minutes. I don't think the fops in the media in general have a clue as to the signal importance and the very clear message of the Kalibr strike put on by what is, or was, in essence a river fleet, but I have no doubts that US, EU, China, Japan, Australia and Rwanda fully understand the import of what that little fleet operating in an inland sea has done.
    Spot on. But it is even more important than you say. The potential availability of a four round Kalibr installation in a standard shipping container, loaded onto say a small trawler or lorry, gives a new meaning to the phrase 'shoot and scoot'.

    I was being low key, this little event is of massive importance. I do not know if the withdrawal of the Roosevelt CG was announced before, I did not read about it which means nothing, but the CG is withdrawing from the Gulf and nothing has come in to replace the unit. RF has just projected her non nuclear power over the majority of EU and UK from within her borders and has served notice on US/EU Navy that they are not safe anywhere. I have been aware of the shipping container deal for a while, which means most any truck or small ship can carry them if needs be. Who knows, maybe there's already a few shipping containers hidden away in EU in some obscure back lot, biding their time.
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    Post  Hachimoto Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:54 pm

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    Post  Stealthflanker Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:08 pm

    Hachimoto wrote:

    So it survived ?
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    Post  NationalRus Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:10 pm

    facepalm*

    so much to understanding the world  lol1


    new news:

    Saudi prince and Defense Minister to be welcomed in Sochi tomorrow and to hold talks with Putin himself, headline is that they will further develop relationships with russia despite syrian conflicting interests

    (full arcticle in russian)
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    Post  Hachimoto Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:11 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    Hachimoto wrote:

    So it survived ?

    Yes appearently !! i'm still reviewing the slow motion to understand where was the hit
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:12 pm

    Hachimoto wrote:

    Yallah HAchimoto, man you got to let it go. 1. Chopper doesn't go down. 2. Is an OLD SAA bird (cargo bay doorless).

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    You have a hard on for Russian losses. I'm going to run a check to see if the clip isn't one of those forgotten 2013 attacks.
    You can give me a negative vote now, syka.
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    Post  NationalRus Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:15 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Hachimoto wrote:

    Yallah HAchimoto, man you got to let it go.  1. Chopper doesn't go down. 2. Is an OLD SAA bird (cargo bay doorless).

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    You have a hard on for Russian losses. I'm going to run a check to see if the clip isn't one of those forgotten 2013 attacks.
    You can give me a negative vote now, syka.

    not 2013 bro, 2012!

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    Post  KoTeMoRe Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:18 pm

    NationalRus wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Hachimoto wrote:

    Yallah HAchimoto, man you got to let it go.  1. Chopper doesn't go down. 2. Is an OLD SAA bird (cargo bay doorless).

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    You have a hard on for Russian losses. I'm going to run a check to see if the clip isn't one of those forgotten 2013 attacks.
    You can give me a negative vote now, syka.

    not 2013 bro, 2012!


    NationalRus, I'm impressed. Get a plus vote.
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    Post  Stealthflanker Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:20 pm

    NationalRus wrote:
    not 2013 bro, 2012!


    Good find.

    Recycling old image/video and add different caption on it... was common disinformation/hoax method. and curiously it's commonly used by pro-terrorist media.
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    Post  Hachimoto Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:20 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Hachimoto wrote:

    Yallah HAchimoto, man you got to let it go.  1. Chopper doesn't go down. 2. Is an OLD SAA bird (cargo bay doorless).

    You got it wrong i'm completely in the other way

    But your IQ isn't high enough to let your emotions behind in a military topics and tou call everything BS when it's not waa super cool russia

    @NationalRus thanks for clearing this but the question how did the choper survived this one .
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    Post  NationalRus Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:21 pm

    NationalRus, I'm impressed. Get a plus vote.

    bro im trying to get -50 negative lol1

    thx just typed in youtube "syria helicopter missile" and it was on first page already

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