Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #1

PapaDragon wrote:

NationalRus wrote:

Monarchist wrote:@ Vann7
That very same Turkey (Erdogan) that the "dear leader that never does anything wrong" Putin sat with when they together opened Europe's largest mosque in Moscow.
Russian airplanes and soldiers are going to fight in Syria while russian children are being killed on the russian border with NATO weapons, we should all salute the great leadership especially Peskov that own watches for hundred of thousands of dollars or his whore of a daughter that takes selfies on the worlds most expensive yachts.
But Putin and his khazar oligarchs have already said and showed tha the lives of jewish and muslim children are worth more then the life of a russian child.

as a nationalist, not patriot but nationalist i understand you and have some of the same views, i feel you so to say, but you have no fucking clue about geopolitics, and how to advance your countrys power and influence in the world for the benefit of our country, what to do and what not, and which actions will have which reactions and blowback.

a idealistic fuck (like you) is good as a soldier on the ground fighting or leading his troops but in poltics idealistic fucks will isolate our country becouse they take decisions out of the gut becouse it feels right and they just "have too", they will bring the world against us (aggressively) bring suffering and economic dispair to our people and turn our friends and allys against us becouse like idealistic fucks (like you) who like on MP.net say lets go take and invade ukraine in the middle of europe becouse "we have to".... or you do it in defence or you do it smart (like crimea) or take subversive action in secret or dont do it at all.

so seriously fuck off that bullshit

Tip:  he is not Russian.

i know him well from mp.net and all his views and as far as i know he is a russian, some might say with honorable views but still a idiotic, no pragmatism no sense for the countrys (and with that its people) geopolitical interest just "lets take a sword and walk in to the fire"

and Monarchist:
ты идиот братан только потому, что сердце кровью обливается жертвуют всем Государством потянув ее в войну и весь мир против нас потому что мразь как ты всегда хочет все, до Львова

Monarchist on Wed May 20, 2015 8:00 am
Palmyra has fallen to the salafist animals. Imagine all the historical sites. Sad
Iran should of intervened a long time ago because the syrian army is overstreched and it seems only a time before the syrian regime is done.
Russia and Iran could of done so much more to prevent this. Being a western ally means your all always guaranteed victory being a russian ally means humiliation and defeat.

no, being a western ally means a stab in the back at any moment, being a russian ally, and true ally means help till the end

Monarchist on Wed Jun 03, 2015 3:49 am

Russia abandoned Assad and Syria a long time ago. No wonder they have no friends or allies in the world.

Iran’s Soleimani vows Syria “surprise”
The IRGC Quds Force chief made a surprise visit to Syria over the weekend near the frontlines outside Latakia.
https://now.mmedia.me/lb/en/NewsReports/565369-irans-soleimani-vows-syria-surprise?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter#ixzz3bvqz9TyM

I trust Soleimani more then I trust the words of russian diplomat and government.

and ther you got now your surprise "here we fucking are" in syria but now that we are... you are even more upset...., eat your fucking words дебил

max steel wrote:

par far wrote:


They have stocked enough but their army is still under equipped.

Well you have something to back your claims ? Because Indian Army is sufficiently equipped to fend off any attack on India ( especially from pakistan.)

India is well equipped to fend off a attack from Pakistan but they not equipped to sent military support to Russia in Syria.

par far wrote:

max steel wrote:

par far wrote:


They have stocked enough but their army is still under equipped.

Well you have something to back your claims ? Because Indian Army is sufficiently equipped to fend off any attack on India ( especially from pakistan.)

India is well equipped to fend off a attack from Pakistan but they not equipped to sent military support to Russia in Syria.  

The world will be a much better place to live. if we have more Russias (Nations that cares about injustices in the world and about the right of nations to be Independent and sovereign) and less Indias.. (Nations that looks to the sides like nothing happens when see injustices.. is not my problem) .  And in the same wagon of India is all the east..and Europe.... Is not my problem.. let americans and Israel with their british allies continue playing their games and destroying nation after nation..  Today is Syria the one attacked.. tomorrow can be India.. and for sure they will want others to help them...if the see they are in Big troubles..

IF Americans and Israel and its coalition of middle east Dictators allowed to do as they want.. turn Syria into an Alqaeda heaven.. then it will not be long.. the Neoliberal/zionist powers will take those terrorist that were fighting in Syria..and relocate them.. In India and repeat.. Because Neoliberal zionist power do not like nations to be independent and sovereign away of their control.

So whenever i see India neutrality in the world is quite pathetic.. because they do not
see how by allowing Evil to exist.. sooner or later it will be theirs the one on the mirror.
Is not like India was not already attacked by terrorism.. it will be better to stop ISIS and alqaedain Syria ,than later they have to fight them in their own land and IRAQ and not allow them to move outside of middle east.. that it is what will happen if they leave Syria alone.

a good quote by ......Edmund Burke
to think about..

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.  

So the aptitude of India.. but also Latin America.. and Europe.. is similar to the one of a serial killer breaking into a house ,murdering a family..then go to the next house and repeat..and to the next.. and no one stop him.. because is not their problem..  Not knowing that sooner or later it will be them ,that will have to face with the same evil ,they have avoiding to confront.

The war in Syria will have NEVER happened.. had Europe had the guts to say NO.. and
start doing sanctions for example to Turkey ,so that it hurt their economy for their actions.
and for the first time negative consequences for them.. also to stop saudi arabia sales of Oil
for its support to ISIS..and block all tourism to Israel ,this kind of pressure will have been enough to stop the war against Syria. Everyone knows Americans ,israelis,Turkey and saudi Arabia ,the axis of evil , are doing one of the most brutal crime against any nation with their sponsor of Radical Islamic extremist and criminals that have no other purpose that the extermination of millions ,including women and children.

Basically ISIS and so Alqaeda also is only powerful today.. because of nations like India and Europe ,that look to the sides and ignore injustice when they see it.. and do nothing ,when they can do something about it and not leave alone Russia to try to stop an illegal criminal proxy war.

Russian Naval Flotilla Heading for Syria

A fleet of Russian warships is bound for the Eastern Mediterranean for drills off the coast of Syria, the Defense Ministry said in a statement Friday.

The flotilla, led by the Black Sea Fleet flagship — the guided missile cruiser Moskva — sailed from Sevastopol, Crimea on Thursday and is due to reach the exercise area late on Sunday.

Also taking part in the drill will be the guided missile frigate Smetlivy and the Tapir-class landing ship Saratov as well as a variety of auxiliary ships.

They will join another frigate and a missile gunboat that had earlier transited out of the Black Sea into the Mediterranean.

Civilian aircraft have already been warned to stay away from an area between Cyrpus and the Tartus Russian naval base in Syria.

During the exercise, to run into October, the sailors are to perform over forty different combat missions, including missile and artillery firings at surface and aerial targets, anti-ship and air defense as well as search-and-rescue activities and rendering assistance to a distressed vessel.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150925/1027519126/flotilla-mediterranean-drill.html#ixzz3mn6VrdZy

Vann7 wrote:

par far wrote:

max steel wrote:

par far wrote:


They have stocked enough but their army is still under equipped.

Well you have something to back your claims ? Because Indian Army is sufficiently equipped to fend off any attack on India ( especially from pakistan.)

India is well equipped to fend off a attack from Pakistan but they not equipped to sent military support to Russia in Syria.  

The world will be a much better place to live. if we have more Russias (Nations that cares about injustices in the world and about the right of nations to be Independent and sovereign) and less Indias.. (Nations that looks to the sides like nothing happens when see injustices.. is not my problem) .  And in the same wagon of India is all the east..and Europe.... Is not my problem.. let americans and Israel with their british allies continue playing their games and destroying nation after nation..  Today is Syria the one attacked.. tomorrow can be India.. and for sure they will want others to help them...if the see they are in Big troubles..

IF Americans and Israel and its coalition of middle east Dictators allowed to do as they want.. turn Syria into an Alqaeda heaven.. then it will not be long.. the Neoliberal/zionist powers will take those terrorist that were fighting in Syria..and relocate them.. In India and repeat.. Because Neoliberal zionist power do not like nations to be independent and sovereign away of their control.

So whenever i see India neutrality in the world is quite pathetic.. because they do not
see how by allowing Evil to exist.. sooner or later it will be theirs the one on the mirror.
Is not like India was not already attacked by terrorism.. it will be better to stop ISIS and alqaedain Syria ,than later they have to fight them in their own land and IRAQ and not allow them to move outside of middle east.. that it is what will happen if they leave Syria alone.

a good quote by ......Edmund Burke
to think about..

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.  

So the aptitude of India.. but also Latin America.. and Europe.. is similar to the one of a serial killer breaking into a house ,murdering a family..then go to the next house and repeat..and to the next.. and no one stop him.. because is not their problem..  Not knowing that sooner or later it will be them ,that will have to face with the same evil ,they have avoiding to confront.

The war in Syria will have NEVER happened.. had Europe had the guts to say NO.. and
start doing sanctions for example to Turkey ,so that it hurt their economy for their actions.
and for the first time negative consequences for them.. also to stop saudi arabia sales of Oil
for its support to ISIS..and block all tourism to Israel ,this kind of pressure will have been enough to stop the war against Syria. Everyone knows Americans ,israelis,Turkey and saudi Arabia ,the axis of evil , are doing one of the most brutal crime against any nation with their sponsor of Radical Islamic extremist and criminals that have no other purpose that the extermination of millions ,including women and children.

Basically ISIS and so Alqaeda also is only powerful today.. because of nations like India and Europe ,that look to the sides and ignore injustice when they see it.. and do nothing ,when they can do something about it and not leave alone Russia to try to stop an illegal criminal proxy war.

Very well said Vann, I think India will get involved, when isis terriosts attack India, let's face it isis, is going to find its way to China and India, then, they will act.

Why would Russia need India's help btw , they would have asked india already if they really did And you're way speculating too much .

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Russia has spelled out it's conditions for taking part in the US led coalition against ISIS

"Theoretically it is possible for inclusion in the coalition of all the interested players. And if the coalition will receive the UN Security Council authorisation on the use of force and will operate under the auspices of the UN, with the understanding that it is necessary to respect international law fully," - said to "Interfax" head of the department on new challenges and threats (DNV), of the Russian Foreign Ministry, Ilya Rogachev.

The diplomat stressed that Moscow's cooperation with the coalition is possible only if all of these conditions are met. "These conditions are somehow unacceptable to the coalition," - he said.

http://www.rg.ru/2015/09/25/koaliciya-site-anons.html

Good answer

''Russian 'visitors' receive warm welcome in coastal Syria''

http://news.yahoo.com/russian-visitors-receive-warm-welcome-coastal-syria-102147094.html

"Here’s how the Russian Air Force moved 28 aircraft to Syria (almost) undetected

Satellite imagery released in the last couple of days has exposed the presence of 28 Russian aircraft at al-Assad airfield, near Latakia, in western Syria.

The photographs taken from space gave us the possibility to identify the combat planes as 4x Su-30SMs, 12x Su-25s (based on their color scheme, these are Su-25SMs belonging to the 368th Assault Aviation Regiment from Budyonnovsk) and 12 Su-24M2s along with about a dozen helicopters, including 10 Mi-24PN, Mi-35M and a couple of Mi-8AMTSh choppers, from the 387th Army Aviation Air Base Budyonnovsk.

One of our sources with IMINT Imagery Intel experience, who has had access to the imagery in the public domain, noticed something interesting on one of the Su-30SM: the first on the left (the one closer to the runway threshold) should be equipped with a KNIRTI SPS-171 / L005S Sorbtsiya-S mid/high band defensive jammer (ECM) at the wing tips. To be honest this is almost impossible to verify unless more high-resolution images become available.

Whilst satellite shots provided much details about the deployed assets, they obviously didn’t help answer the basic question: how did they manage to reach Syria undetected?

According to one source close who wishes to remain anonymous, the Russian combat planes have probably deployed to Latakia trailing the cargo planes that were tracked flying to Syria and back on Flightradar24.com, something that other analysts have also suggested.

There is someone who believes that during their ferry flight, some if not all the formation (each made of a cargo plane and four accompanying fast jets), may have made a stopover in Iran before flying the last leg to Latakia. This would also explain why some Il-76s (with an endurance that would allow a non-stop fly from Russia to Latakia) were observed stopping at Hamadan on Sept. 18-19, just before the Sukhois started appearing on the tarmac at Latakia."



Source: http://theaviationist.com/2015/09/23/how-the-russians-deployed-28-aircraft-to-syria/

"According to our sources, some (if not all) the Russian Air Force formations that arrived in Syria were “greeted” by Assad’s Mig-29 Fulcrums.
A U.S. official who spoke to FoxNews has just confirmed what we reported with plenty of details yesterday: the 28 Russian Sukhoi jets hid under radar signature of cargo planes and made a stopover in Iran en route to Syria.

As already explained, the entire operation was closely monitored by the Israeli Air Force, that during and after the deployment launched several missions of G.550 Eitam CAEW (Conformal Airborne Early Warning) and G.550 Shavit ELINT (Electronic Intelligence) aircraft off Lebanon to gather intelligence on the Russians.

But, the Israeli spyplanes were not only “watching” the Sukhoi Su-30, Su-24 and Su-25 deploying to Latakia: they were most probably more interested in the Syrian Arab Air Force aircraft that were launched to greet and escort the Russians into the Syrian airspace. In fact, it seems that most if not all the formations of combat planes trailing the Il-76 cargo planes, were intercepted and escorted to Latakia by Syrian planes, including SyAAF Mig-29 Fulcrum jets, according to a source who spoke to The Aviationist under the condition of anonymity.

Meanwhile, the Russian planes deployed to Syria have reportedly flown their first local (familiarization) sorties. It’s not clear whether they were accompanied by Syrian planes but, for sure, Israeli ISR (intelligence surveillance reconnaissance) assets were pretty active all day on Sept. 24, circling between Cyprus and Lebanon as their tracks collected by ADS-B on FlightRadar24.com show. Closely monitoring the Russians? Or the Syrian Migs? Most probably, both ones."



Source: http://theaviationist.com/2015/09/25/mig-29s-greeted-russian-air-force-sukhois/

par far wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

par far wrote:

max steel wrote:

par far wrote:


They have stocked enough but their army is still under equipped.

Well you have something to back your claims ? Because Indian Army is sufficiently equipped to fend off any attack on India ( especially from pakistan.)

India is well equipped to fend off a attack from Pakistan but they not equipped to sent military support to Russia in Syria.  

The world will be a much better place to live. if we have more Russias (Nations that cares about injustices in the world and about the right of nations to be Independent and sovereign) and less Indias.. (Nations that looks to the sides like nothing happens when see injustices.. is not my problem) .  And in the same wagon of India is all the east..and Europe.... Is not my problem.. let americans and Israel with their british allies continue playing their games and destroying nation after nation..  Today is Syria the one attacked.. tomorrow can be India.. and for sure they will want others to help them...if the see they are in Big troubles..

IF Americans and Israel and its coalition of middle east Dictators allowed to do as they want.. turn Syria into an Alqaeda heaven.. then it will not be long.. the Neoliberal/zionist powers will take those terrorist that were fighting in Syria..and relocate them.. In India and repeat.. Because Neoliberal zionist power do not like nations to be independent and sovereign away of their control.

So whenever i see India neutrality in the world is quite pathetic.. because they do not
see how by allowing Evil to exist.. sooner or later it will be theirs the one on the mirror.
Is not like India was not already attacked by terrorism.. it will be better to stop ISIS and alqaedain Syria ,than later they have to fight them in their own land and IRAQ and not allow them to move outside of middle east.. that it is what will happen if they leave Syria alone.

a good quote by ......Edmund Burke
to think about..

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.  

So the aptitude of India.. but also Latin America.. and Europe.. is similar to the one of a serial killer breaking into a house ,murdering a family..then go to the next house and repeat..and to the next.. and no one stop him.. because is not their problem..  Not knowing that sooner or later it will be them ,that will have to face with the same evil ,they have avoiding to confront.

The war in Syria will have NEVER happened.. had Europe had the guts to say NO.. and
start doing sanctions for example to Turkey ,so that it hurt their economy for their actions.
and for the first time negative consequences for them.. also to stop saudi arabia sales of Oil
for its support to ISIS..and block all tourism to Israel ,this kind of pressure will have been enough to stop the war against Syria. Everyone knows Americans ,israelis,Turkey and saudi Arabia ,the axis of evil , are doing one of the most brutal crime against any nation with their sponsor of Radical Islamic extremist and criminals that have no other purpose that the extermination of millions ,including women and children.

Basically ISIS and so Alqaeda also is only powerful today.. because of nations like India and Europe ,that look to the sides and ignore injustice when they see it.. and do nothing ,when they can do something about it and not leave alone Russia to try to stop an illegal criminal proxy war.

Very well said Vann, I think India will get involved, when isis terriosts attack India, let's face it isis, is going to find its way to China and India, then, they will act.

i agree ISIS and Al-Qaeda will try to cause trouble in India, see below:

In September 2014 al-Zawahiri announced al-Qaeda was establishing a front in India to "wage jihad against its enemies, to liberate its land, to restore its sovereignty, and to revive its Caliphate." He nominated India as a beachhead for regional jihad taking in neighboring countries such as Myanmar and Bangladesh. The motivation for the video was questioned in some quarters where it was seen the militant group was struggling to remain relevant in light of the emerging prominence of ISIS.[197] Reaction amongst Muslims in India to the formation of the new wing, to be known as "Qaedat al-Jihad fi'shibhi al-qarrat al-Hindiya" or al-Qaida in the Indian Subcontinent [AQIS], was one of fury. Leaders of several Indian Muslim organizations rejected al-Zawahiri's pronouncement, saying they could see no good coming from it, and viewed it as a threat to Muslim youth in the country.[198]

US intelligence analyst accused the Pakistan military of 'stage-managing' the terror outfit's latest advance into India

max steel wrote:Why would Russia need India's help btw , they would have asked india already if they really did And you're way speculating too much .

i think any help would be welcomed, i think one think we have learned from this whole mess is nobody can predict what will happen next, the west never thought Assad would have lasted as long this, nor did they see Russian troops etc coming to aid Syria, nobody really knows countries true intentions, China may want to increase its presence in the middle east or maybe they finally want to show the world what they are willing to do. India on the other hand have had dealings with Islamic terror groups before and like i said earlier in another post al-Zawahiri announced al-Qaeda was establishing a front in India to "wage jihad against its enemies, to liberate its land, to restore its sovereignty, and to revive its Caliphate." He nominated India as a beachhead for regional jihad taking in neighbouring countries such as Myanmar and Bangladesh. So maybe they want to strike first. just wait and see what happens next i suppose. When i was in the forces we had to think about every possible scenario we use to use the phrase "what if"

Possibly an Orlan-10 over Syria




Short video: https://www.facebook.com/syrian.reporters/videos/956027024442871/

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"Request from a Syrian army general to a Russian arms supplier, with a translation provided "
Date of request: 12.03.2013. might be abit old but still we can get some ideas about scale of deliveries that took place.
Original document: http://www.scribd.com/doc/144517399/Syrian-army-weapons-request

So is Russia going to the UNSC or not before the fireworks start?

IIRC, the "anti ISIS coalition" didn't get approval and still acted, perhaps Russia will follow this precedent.

Zivo wrote:So is Russia going to the UNSC or not before the fireworks start?

IIRC, the "anti ISIS coalition" didn't get approval and still acted, perhaps Russia will follow this precedent.

I think they will try and get UN approval or at least get ISIS formally recognised as a global terrorist threat. Apparently the US is currently blocking such moves as unbeliavable as that sounds.

Zivo wrote:So is Russia going to the UNSC or not before the fireworks start?
IIRC, the "anti ISIS coalition" didn't get approval and still acted, perhaps Russia will follow this precedent.

No, acting by request and permission of legal national government is not following US precedent.
Since there is no problem for Russia operating within the above constraints, UNSC is really irrelevant to them directly, they already have legal sovereign mandate from Assad.
As posted to the thread previously, they are open to joining with US/Coalition under one umbrella, but their conditions for doing so:
including all actors (Syria, Iran, Hezbollah), explicit mandate (presumably not overthrowing Assad) and operations under UN remit,
basically amount to removing US/Coalition independent political goals.

Anyways... hadn't seen it posted here, Elijah Magnier's latest article from Syria with info on Russia/Iran/Hezb/Syria meeting...
https://elijahjm.wordpress.com/2015/09/26/areas-of-influence-deployment-and-tasks-are-distributed-between-russia-syrian-forces-hezbollah-and-iran/

Take away:

- Division of areas of responsibility, Russia taking North, Iran taking South, Hezbollah re-focusing on ISIS/Al-Nusra/Al-Qaeda
- Hezbollah forming new armored brigade with 75 tanks (T-55 and T-72)
- Russia will be deploying 220 and 300mm rocket units (Uragan/Smerch, +TOS-1A?)
- IRGC ramping up direct troop involvement (beyond advisors)
- "The source ended: “The direct Russian intervention and involvement in the Syrian war was decided after Turkey’s violation of the undeclared red lines by giving facilities and supporting al-Qaida and its allies to enter Syria into Kessab and later to Idlib provoking the Russian bear who believed that national interests are threatened. The lost of Idlib upseted the battle balance in all of Syria. Russia and Iran informed Turkey that such a support will have serious consequences and that Iran and Russia’s national security have been put in jeopardy. After having seen the reaction on the ground and the direct intervention of Russia and Iran, Turkish President’s Recep Tayyip Erdogan announced that Assad could be part of the future of Syria. It is a kind of late apology for the strategic mistake that needs to be rectified now. Turkish’ wrong move in Idlib led even the United States and Europe very close from chanting:Long Live President Assad.”"

FYI

http://english.pravda.ru/news/world/25-09-2015/132137-china-0/


according to this China are getting involved.

Pravda news? Less reliable than Fox.

We will need actual pictures and official statements from the Chinese sources.

mutantsushi wrote:

Zivo wrote:So is Russia going to the UNSC or not before the fireworks start?
IIRC, the "anti ISIS coalition" didn't get approval and still acted, perhaps Russia will follow this precedent.

No, acting by request and permission of legal national government is not following US precedent.
Since there is no problem for Russia operating within the above constraints, UNSC is really irrelevant to them directly, they already have legal sovereign mandate from Assad.
As posted to the thread previously, they are open to joining with US/Coalition under one umbrella, but their conditions for doing so:
including all actors (Syria, Iran, Hezbollah), explicit mandate (presumably not overthrowing Assad) and operations under UN remit,
basically amount to removing US/Coalition independent political goals.

Anyways... hadn't seen it posted here, Elijah Magnier's latest article from Syria with info on Russia/Iran/Hezb/Syria meeting...
https://elijahjm.wordpress.com/2015/09/26/areas-of-influence-deployment-and-tasks-are-distributed-between-russia-syrian-forces-hezbollah-and-iran/

Take away:

- Division of areas of responsibility, Russia taking North, Iran taking South, Hezbollah re-focusing on ISIS/Al-Nusra/Al-Qaeda
- Hezbollah forming new armored brigade with 75 tanks (T-55 and T-72)
- Russia will be deploying 220 and 300mm rocket units (Uragan/Smerch, +TOS-1A?)
- IRGC ramping up direct troop involvement (beyond advisors)
- "The source ended: “The direct Russian intervention and involvement in the Syrian war was decided after Turkey’s violation of the undeclared red lines by giving facilities and supporting al-Qaida and its allies to enter Syria into Kessab and later to Idlib provoking the Russian bear who believed that national interests are threatened. The lost of Idlib upseted the battle balance in all of Syria. Russia and Iran informed Turkey that such a support will have serious consequences and that Iran and Russia’s national security have been put in jeopardy. After having seen the reaction on the ground and the direct intervention of Russia and Iran, Turkish President’s Recep Tayyip Erdogan announced that Assad could be part of the future of Syria. It is a kind of late apology for the strategic mistake that needs to be rectified now. Turkish’ wrong move in Idlib led even the United States and Europe very close from chanting:Long Live President Assad.”"

Interesting post. Anyways, I was reading through the link and noticed this:

“A joint military operation room has been created to divide tasks, define the area and cities of influence and deployment, and coordinate attacks and need of each force engaged on the ground between the Russian, Iranian, Syrian and those of Hezbollah Special Forces covering the entire Syrian geography. Russia will be responsible for Lattakia, Hama, and some parts of the province of Aleppo. Iran undertook to protect the capital, Damascus, and down to the Daraa, Quneitra and the Golan to the Israeli borders. Hezbollah was requested to evacuate its positions near Homs to be deployed on the fronts against al-Qaida (Jabhat al-Nusra) and the forces of the group called “the Islamic State” (ISIS). Russian missile units with 240 and 330 mm were deployed and will have the task, along with Russian air force jets to support the advance of troops on the ground (Iranians, Hezbollah and Syrian Forces”, said the source."

Nothing about Idlib? Is Russia going to just allow the "moderate" rebels who are centralized in the region to act first? Maybe they're giving the FSA an opportunity for redemption?

The video claims to be Russian bombing of a HQ of ISIS in RAqqa with a new weapon..




Aparently also is being reported Motorola is supporting the Syrian ARmy?





It appears by the video as if he was in Syria? Look at his insignia in ARAB..

Zivo wrote:

mutantsushi wrote:

Zivo wrote:So is Russia going to the UNSC or not before the fireworks start?
IIRC, the "anti ISIS coalition" didn't get approval and still acted, perhaps Russia will follow this precedent.

No, acting by request and permission of legal national government is not following US precedent.
Since there is no problem for Russia operating within the above constraints, UNSC is really irrelevant to them directly, they already have legal sovereign mandate from Assad.
As posted to the thread previously, they are open to joining with US/Coalition under one umbrella, but their conditions for doing so:
including all actors (Syria, Iran, Hezbollah), explicit mandate (presumably not overthrowing Assad) and operations under UN remit,
basically amount to removing US/Coalition independent political goals.

Anyways... hadn't seen it posted here, Elijah Magnier's latest article from Syria with info on Russia/Iran/Hezb/Syria meeting...
https://elijahjm.wordpress.com/2015/09/26/areas-of-influence-deployment-and-tasks-are-distributed-between-russia-syrian-forces-hezbollah-and-iran/

Take away:

- Division of areas of responsibility, Russia taking North, Iran taking South, Hezbollah re-focusing on ISIS/Al-Nusra/Al-Qaeda
- Hezbollah forming new armored brigade with 75 tanks (T-55 and T-72)
- Russia will be deploying 220 and 300mm rocket units (Uragan/Smerch, +TOS-1A?)
- IRGC ramping up direct troop involvement (beyond advisors)
- "The source ended: “The direct Russian intervention and involvement in the Syrian war was decided after Turkey’s violation of the undeclared red lines by giving facilities and supporting al-Qaida and its allies to enter Syria into Kessab and later to Idlib provoking the Russian bear who believed that national interests are threatened. The lost of Idlib upseted the battle balance in all of Syria. Russia and Iran informed Turkey that such a support will have serious consequences and that Iran and Russia’s national security have been put in jeopardy. After having seen the reaction on the ground and the direct intervention of Russia and Iran, Turkish President’s Recep Tayyip Erdogan announced that Assad could be part of the future of Syria. It is a kind of late apology for the strategic mistake that needs to be rectified now. Turkish’ wrong move in Idlib led even the United States and Europe very close from chanting:Long Live President Assad.”"

Interesting post. Anyways, I was reading through the link and noticed this:

“A joint military operation room has been created to divide tasks, define the area and cities of influence and deployment, and coordinate attacks and need of each force engaged on the ground between the Russian, Iranian, Syrian and those of Hezbollah Special Forces covering the entire Syrian geography.  Russia will be responsible for Lattakia, Hama, and some parts of the province of Aleppo. Iran undertook to protect the capital, Damascus, and down to the Daraa, Quneitra and the Golan to the Israeli borders. Hezbollah was requested to evacuate its positions near Homs to be deployed on the fronts against al-Qaida (Jabhat al-Nusra) and the forces of the group called “the Islamic State” (ISIS). Russian missile units with 240 and 330 mm were deployed and will have the task, along with Russian air force jets to support the advance of troops on the ground (Iranians, Hezbollah and Syrian Forces”, said the source."

Nothing about Idlib? Is Russia going to just allow the "moderate" rebels who are centralized in the region to act first? Maybe they're giving the FSA an opportunity for redemption?

interesting, no mention of who would be taking the Homs region, Iran has a big job, theres large section of the south under rebel control with around 100,000 rebels and not to mention Israel nearby interfering.

Analysis

Russian President Vladimir Putin's visit to the United States next week will put his political strategy in Syria to the test. Putin is looking to re-engage with the global power brokers that have been punishing his country since 2014, and he is betting that a strong role in Syria will buy him leverage at the negotiating table. On the sidelines of the U.N. General Assembly in New York, where he is set to give a speech Sept. 28, Putin will try out his newfound bargaining power in a meeting with U.S. President Barack Obama.

The sit-down will be the two presidents' first meeting on U.S. or Russian soil since Putin's 2012 return to the presidency. The top issue will be a Russian proposal for the conflict in Syria, which seeks to coordinate ongoing U.S. efforts with Russia's stepped up operations in a way that recognizes the role of the forces of Syrian President Bashar al Assad in the campaign against the Islamic State. However, Moscow has included a crucial concession in the potential agreement that conforms to a key U.S. demand: a political transition away from the current government. Washington has also proposed that Russia join the U.S.-led coalition against the Islamic State in Syria and Iraq, something the Russian Foreign Ministry has said is "theoretically" possible.

According to reports in U.S. media citing anonymous Russian sources, Moscow is prepared to move forward with a unilateral campaign against the Islamic State if the United States does not cooperate. Leaks to Russian media outlets Kommersant and Novaya Gazeta suggest that Russia might do so while Putin is in New York, perhaps even during his U.N. speech. This is a plausible threat — the Russians already have significant assets in place and are ready to begin air operations. Unconfirmed reports from Syrian government and pro-rebel sources are already indicating that Russian airstrikes may have commenced in support of the push to relieve loyalist forces at Aleppo's Kweiris air base.

Russian operations against the Islamic State would likely take place in several places across Syria. In Homs, Russian forces could support a government counteroffensive against the Islamic State-held city of Palmyra. An intervention could also support the besieged Syrian 104th Republican Brigade in Deir el-Zour or the ongoing push toward Kweiris air base. The Russians are also likely to provide air support to Syrian loyalist forces fighting against non-Islamic State rebels: Jaish al-Fatah in northwest Hama province and the Latakia mountains, Turkish- and Qatari-backed rebels in Aleppo and Saudi-backed Jaish al-Islam in and around the city of Damascus.

Russia's timing is deliberate. Moscow has purposely built up its position in Syria to coincide with Putin's visit. By intervening in the crisis, Russia wants to show that its standoff with the West over Ukraine has neither isolated it nor made it any less integral to the international system. It is also signaling that Russia can still partner with the United States despite the apparent erosion of relations between the two countries. Syria has induced the United States to meet with Russia after months of scant negotiations.

Moscow will take this opportunity to try to initiate talks over a host of other issues, including Ukraine, Western sanctions and NATO's expanding presence. The United States, however, has not indicated a desire to shift its position on these issues. On the contrary, Washington is lobbying the Europeans to maintain sanctions on Russia in spite of a relatively solid cease-fire in Ukraine and election compromise proposals from Russian-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine. The meeting between Putin and Obama will indicate whether the United States plans to stand firm on these issues or open the door for future negotiations.