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    "Poseidon" Nuclear-armed Underwater Drone

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    Post  Singular_Transform Sat Sep 04, 2021 8:49 pm

    It should be a minor modification to install onto the Poseidon few standard torpedo, or a towed sonar.

    They can accompany normal submarines, or they can give extreme level of punch to a Kilo submarine.


    They can surface, do long term communication.

    Or if nothing else they are more cheaper than a Yassen, means say twenty Poseidon can cruise in the atlantic ocean, for the price of on Yassen, and tide up all anti submairine warfare resources.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:06 am

    Hole wrote:The Poseidon is the equivalent to the Okhotnik drone. Long-range. For high-value targets. Western attack subs will mostly be intercepted by lighter UUVs, some fellow at Army-2021 was hinting that they already testing some underwater drones in that role, but out in the Arctic Ocean or even the Atlantic a few Poseidons could hunt down Virginias or Ohios.

    I'm thinking Poseidon-based UUVs as hunter-killers that prowl the SSBN bastions (or other essential sea spaces) on a constant basis and scour them for enemy SSNs. I wonder what IFF technologies will work underwater? Hydro-acoustic transmitters? Don't want to give away position so use HF and accept it operates over short range. UUVs will cruise a search pattern running deep and quiet, and once a target is identified they go to investigate ie get close, read the IFF. Once satisfied its a friendly, it moves on to resume patrol. If its a bogey, send an (encrypted) message over ULF back to base. In wartime, more.... energetic.... responses would result Twisted Evil

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    Post  GarryB Sun Sep 05, 2021 11:56 am

    The truth is that the West is unable to create an effective ABM defense against ICBM and SLBM missiles.

    They don't have to for it to be terribly destabilising.

    The west will spend trillions on it, and not just AEGIS ashore in Poland and Japan and South Korea and Alaska, but also AEGIS at sea on US Navy ships in the arctic ocean close to Canadas coast and off the US coasts in the Pacific and Atlantic oceans... whether it actually works or not doesn't matter... the politicians are going to say it is amazing and an example of American technical knowhow... there is only one way to find out for sure if it actually works but by then it will be too late for everyone.

    Ironically with S-400 and S-500 and the ABM system around Moscow with potential for a similar system around St Petersberg and Vladivostok and other major areas it is probably Russia that is in the best position to look at ABM defence and protection...

    They have the radars and battle management systems and the missiles themselves for the job but it is still something they want to avoid at almost all costs.

    Currently, Western ABM systems even have a problem with intercept much slower ballistic targets than ICBMs.

    That is very true, but their first ICBM rocket was a modified V-2 and with work and money and time they ended up with missiles able to do the job.

    It is not the first generation of US ABM systems that is the problem... it is the fifth and sixth generation models that are all over the place including space.

    The West would have trouble defending itself against a larger attack by subsonic cruise missiles. At the moment, Russia has much better protection against cruise missiles, SRBMs, MRBMs, IRBMs and possibly even ICBMs than the US and NATO. Ironically, Russia obtained better ABM protection than the US.

    Very true... western aggression has forced Russia to respond in terms of both defence and attack and they are really doing rather better than the entire west combined... perhaps the west should get Russia to develop their ABM system... Twisted Evil

    But even if they did they wouldn't turn it on because they are back stabbing assholes and think everyone else is too.

    Russia is planning or already constructing a SOSUS-like sonar system arount her shores.

    Well they had that mini sub that got stuck in an underwater sonar array a few years ago...


    The Poseidon is the equivalent to the Okhotnik drone.

    More accurately it is the equivalent of the Буревестник... which translates to Storm Petrel, but also to Thunderbird....
    Both only used when WWIII has started with no chance of stopping or pausing...

    Or if nothing else they are more cheaper than a Yassen, means say twenty Poseidon can cruise in the atlantic ocean, for the price of on Yassen, and tide up all anti submairine warfare resources.

    Would likely lack a lot of the sensors it would need to be a drone and the risk of it getting captured is too big I would say.

    It could certainly be made exceptionally strong to withstand being hit by torpedoes and depth charges so that when say attacking a ship it always gets through...

    External surface mount charges with electro magnetic clamps to attach to the bottom of ships and subs... it could sail up to enemy vessels and attach an explosive charge and then move on to the next target with a 2 minute countdown fuse on the bombs....
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    Post  Singular_Transform Mon Sep 06, 2021 10:22 am

    GarryB wrote:

    Or if nothing else they are more cheaper than a Yassen, means say twenty Poseidon can cruise in the atlantic ocean, for the price of on Yassen, and tide up all anti submairine warfare resources.

    Would likely lack a lot of the sensors it would need to be a drone and the risk of it getting captured is too big I would say.

    It could certainly be made exceptionally strong to withstand being hit by torpedoes and depth charges so that when say attacking a ship it always gets through...

    External surface mount charges with electro magnetic clamps to attach to the bottom of ships and subs... it could sail up to enemy vessels and attach an explosive charge and then move on to the next target with a 2 minute countdown fuse on the bombs....

    I've just stoped for moment, and think about the chances to fish out something akin to a fully armed torpedo, appart from that it is huge, and has a hot nuclear reactor : )


    Fishing out a poseidon would be considered as suicidal mission for commanding officer.
    Risking to bring onboard in good case a working nuclear reactor, with self destruction charges, in bad case a fully armed nuclear bomb with a working reactor attached ?

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