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    "Poseidon" Nuclear-armed Underwater Drone

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    Post  GarryB Thu Dec 17, 2020 8:30 pm

    The CIA love to go recover shit... I would store them ready in case there is a decent escalation of problems with the west...during peace time they could sail down to the southern oceans with a few of these things and have them navigate back to Russian ports for testing and practise and could test their own anti sub forces on the way.

    Being unmanned these subs could have no air pockets and be made enormously strong so even a nearby depth charge might not destroy them... having internal water jet propulsion meaning no external prop to be damaged... these things could be made to be really really hard to kill... they already are relatively small to start with.... the only vulnerable components will be propulsion and power and of course payload/s...

    One of its defence mechanisms could be to drop a small nuke with a lifting balloon to drag it up closer to the surface before it detonates while operating at 1km depth or more... bit of a surprise to forces using active sonar to try to find you
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    Post  mnztr Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:23 am

    They can put them in containers that blend with the sea floor and booby trap them. If they are put in Russian waters they will be fine. You can also put a lot of cheap decoys maybe even put some sosus monitoring arrays around.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Dec 18, 2020 8:12 pm

    Pretend to put them in containers and place something on the sea floor... something that goes boom if you try to lift it...

    There is no benefit to having these things sitting in water... not matter how deep... there is a chance they might develop a fault in their communications system... and what if the standard default if they lose contact is attack...

    Nah... way too dangerous... they are building some subs to carry these... and they could stack dozens or more in a single roll on roll off ship or a basic container ship with its own crane to lift and drop them over the side if you need to...

    Hell... even a super parachute mechanism... the VDV are experts in that regard.... and roll them out the back of an An-124 for now and Il-106 in the future directly into the middle of the ocean... with parachutes and airbags to retard its fall like they use for landing things on Mars...

    30-40 tons perhaps each rolling out the back in a 40-50 degree climb perhaps... could be possible...

    They have tons of options...

    Hell, in the future they could use these things like an Uber order to deliver important things to certain places around the world securely and by stealth... but even then the risk of one of them being captured and stripped for secrets... it really is not worth it...
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    Post  flamming_python Thu Dec 24, 2020 12:46 pm

    Have to agree

    Anything sitting on the sea floor is at risk of discovery (which Russia will not realize until too late), or theft (which Russia will realize, but won't be able to prove anything nor even know who really did it themselves)

    Any booby-trap nonsense is just going to end up as an extra headache. Booby trap on a nuclear weapon?
    What if the failsafes or recovery procedures go wrong, and it self-destructs in its owners faces? What if that CIA or Chinese sub is blown up but it was such a super-secret weapon that other parties weren't forewarned about anything in advance and now have a grudge to settle?

    Being in Russian territorial waters means rather nothing. We're talking about subs and deep-sea operations - if they're detected in someone's territorial waters then they've screwed up already.

    That's why I'm skeptical about any sort of autonomous sea-bed SLBM or torpedo or whatever. Anything you can't keep an eye on and guard constantly. It's easier just to skip the trouble and keep the weapons equipped on manned subs instead, to be deployed when it's time to actually use them or only a short time before.

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    Post  Hole Thu Dec 24, 2020 1:41 pm

    This unmanned ships the west and china a developing are even better. Jam their comm system and you are forced by the law of the sea to remove this threat for civilian shipping lanes and bring it to your next harbor. Laughing

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    Post  owais.usmani Sat Jan 16, 2021 7:25 am

    https://iz.ru/1111083/anton-lavrov-roman-kretcul/dom-poseidona-bazu-dlia-iadernykh-robotov-dostroiat-k-budushchemu-letu?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com

    The coastal base for nuclear submarine robots Poseidon will be ready in the summer of 2022. By this time, the construction of the infrastructure for the maintenance and storage of this new strategic deterrent will be completed. Tests of its first carrier are already nearing completion. The creation of the base in advance will extend the service life of this equipment, experts say.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:08 pm

    Actually it could be used as an opportunity for counterspy work... place a launch container for Poseidon on the sea bottom for testing... but don't put anything in it and put it in Russian waters... instead of a booby trap... fill it with recording equipment and sensors to detect approaching vessels so if when the US or other western agency goes to try to look at it or pinch it it transmits very loud signals and releases flares and EM transmissions that alert the Russians to the fact that their secret container containing nothing is being interfered with.

    No need to kill anyone, but certainly make them need a nappy change...

    Some sort of large container ship with massive cranes that can open up the deck and lift out bundles of Poseidons and lowering them over the side directly into the water any day or night 24/7 but preferably at night in some southern ocean in the middle of nowhere.... but not until the first missiles have been launched and tensions have already escalated to the point where they will definitely be needed... it would make trade with countries in Africa and Central and South America a useful cover to operate these ships in the southern oceans... the cost for HATO to monitor the entire planets oceans will be too costly even for a country printing its own money...

    Obviously a few subs will be the official carriers of Poseidon... but they have a lot of cargo ships with large suitable cranes.
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    Post  dino00 Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:10 pm

    In 2021, at least two promising domestic weapons systems will enter the home stretch - the start of testing. According to Izvestia sources in the Ministry of Defense, the Sarmat heavy missile and the Poseidon unmanned underwater complex will be tested. They are included in the list of developments that have no analogues, as they were announced in March 2018 by the Russian president in a message to the Federal Assembly.

    https://iz.ru/1121208/dmitrii-kornev/poseidon-v-pomoshch-nachinaiutsia-ispytaniia-strategicheskogo-oruzhiia-rf

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    Post  dino00 Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:14 pm

    Preparations began for testing nuclear submarine robots "Poseidon" on board their first regular carrier - the nuclear submarine "Belgorod". Now the nuclear-powered cruiser is preparing to go to sea for the first time. In January, PO "Sevmash" prepared several notices (available to Izvestia) about the conclusion of a contract for the installation of test equipment for "Poseidons" at the nuclear submarine "Belgorod" under construction.

    The exact name of the technique was not disclosed. Other works are also indicated in the notices, including the completion of the installation of the ship's security and damage control system.

    According to the dates indicated in the documents, it will take up to five years to complete the development of a complex of a submarine and nuclear drones.


    https://iz.ru/1123240/2021-02-10/podvodnye-iadernye-roboty-poseidon-ispytaiut-s-borta-apl-belgorod

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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:57 pm


    From media stunt to propaganda story to weird science project to ''holy shit this is as serious as a hear attack!!!''   Cool

    Some choice passages about Poseidon from latest CNN piece, gotta love the change in tone:

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/05/europe/russia-arctic-nato-military-intl-cmd/index.html?utm_term=16176191925984f1b1a309302&utm_source=cnn_Five+Things+for+Monday%2C+April+5%2C+2021&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1617619192600&bt_ee=UE7wziGa2kkh94o6gakllXPDYH5U0AwCZxYuurwBF8oPfRly9HhLf3gwmpWmBD1b&bt_user_id&bt_ts=1617619192600


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    Weapons experts and Western officials have expressed particular concern about one Russian 'super-weapon,' the Poseidon 2M39 torpedo. Development of the torpedo is moving fast

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    Experts agree that the weapon is "very real" and already coming to fruition.

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    The Tsirkon and the Poseidon are part of a new generation of weapons pledged by Putin in 2018 as strategic game changers in a fast-changing world.

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    At the time US officials scorned the new weapons as technically far-fetched and improbable, yet they appear to be nearing fruition. The Norwegian intelligence chief Stensønes told CNN the Tsirkon as a "new technology, with hypersonic speeds, which makes it hard to defend against."

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    It was subsequently partially dismissed by analysts as a 'paper tiger' weapon, meant to terrify with its apocalyptic destructive powers that appear to slip around current treaty requirements, but not to be successfully deployed.

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    Yet a series of developments in the Arctic -- including, according to Russian media reports, the testing of up to three Russian submarines designed to carry the stealth weapon, which has been suggested to be 20 meters long -- have now led analysts to consider the project real and active.

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    Manash Pratim Boruah, a submarine expert at Jane's Fighting Ships, said: "The reality of the weapon is clear. You can absolutely see development around the torpedo, which is happening.

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    Katarzyna Zysk, professor of international relations at the state-run Norwegian Institute for Defence Studies, said the Poseidon was "getting quite real," given the level of infrastructure development and testing of submarines to carry the torpedo.
    "It is absolutely a project that will be used to scare, as a negotiation card in the future, perhaps in arms control talks," Zysk said. "But in order to do so, it has to be credible. This seems to be real."......
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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:40 pm

    Wow.... Poseidon is real?

    Who'd of thunk it? dunno I just assumed they built the Sarov testbed for no reason. Laughing Or that they completed the 949 Belgorod as a greatly enlarged special services boat just for the hoot of it... Laughing And that the Kharbarovsk is just being built cuz Sevmash had a spare slot in the boat house and didn't know what else to put in it... Laughing

    Seriously, the dumb-fuck nature of these self-denoted "experts" is simply hilarious. These incompetents draw 6-figure salaries from their comfortable nooks within the establishment-funded NGOs and don't need to produce anything except specious waffle designed the please the ear-holes of their well-heeled benefactors. We should be surprised when these clowns get it so wrong so often? Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  GarryB Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:57 am

    The problem with a I don't believe it till I see it attitude is that by the time you believe it it is already in service and operational, which leaves you scrambling for a suitable response...

    HATO knew about Calibre for years and years but dismissed it because you need decent C4IR to use such a weapon... having a 2,500km range land attack cruise missile means nothing if you can't find targets for it and don't have it widely deployed.

    And they wont put those on corvettes because there is no way a corvette could find suitable targets 2,500km away...

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