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    "Poseidon" Nuclear-armed Underwater Drone

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:30 am

    The CIA love to go recover shit... I would store them ready in case there is a decent escalation of problems with the west...during peace time they could sail down to the southern oceans with a few of these things and have them navigate back to Russian ports for testing and practise and could test their own anti sub forces on the way.

    Being unmanned these subs could have no air pockets and be made enormously strong so even a nearby depth charge might not destroy them... having internal water jet propulsion meaning no external prop to be damaged... these things could be made to be really really hard to kill... they already are relatively small to start with.... the only vulnerable components will be propulsion and power and of course payload/s...

    One of its defence mechanisms could be to drop a small nuke with a lifting balloon to drag it up closer to the surface before it detonates while operating at 1km depth or more... bit of a surprise to forces using active sonar to try to find you
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    Post  mnztr on Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:23 pm

    They can put them in containers that blend with the sea floor and booby trap them. If they are put in Russian waters they will be fine. You can also put a lot of cheap decoys maybe even put some sosus monitoring arrays around.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:12 am

    Pretend to put them in containers and place something on the sea floor... something that goes boom if you try to lift it...

    There is no benefit to having these things sitting in water... not matter how deep... there is a chance they might develop a fault in their communications system... and what if the standard default if they lose contact is attack...

    Nah... way too dangerous... they are building some subs to carry these... and they could stack dozens or more in a single roll on roll off ship or a basic container ship with its own crane to lift and drop them over the side if you need to...

    Hell... even a super parachute mechanism... the VDV are experts in that regard.... and roll them out the back of an An-124 for now and Il-106 in the future directly into the middle of the ocean... with parachutes and airbags to retard its fall like they use for landing things on Mars...

    30-40 tons perhaps each rolling out the back in a 40-50 degree climb perhaps... could be possible...

    They have tons of options...

    Hell, in the future they could use these things like an Uber order to deliver important things to certain places around the world securely and by stealth... but even then the risk of one of them being captured and stripped for secrets... it really is not worth it...
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    Post  flamming_python on Thu Dec 24, 2020 8:46 pm

    Have to agree

    Anything sitting on the sea floor is at risk of discovery (which Russia will not realize until too late), or theft (which Russia will realize, but won't be able to prove anything nor even know who really did it themselves)

    Any booby-trap nonsense is just going to end up as an extra headache. Booby trap on a nuclear weapon?
    What if the failsafes or recovery procedures go wrong, and it self-destructs in its owners faces? What if that CIA or Chinese sub is blown up but it was such a super-secret weapon that other parties weren't forewarned about anything in advance and now have a grudge to settle?

    Being in Russian territorial waters means rather nothing. We're talking about subs and deep-sea operations - if they're detected in someone's territorial waters then they've screwed up already.

    That's why I'm skeptical about any sort of autonomous sea-bed SLBM or torpedo or whatever. Anything you can't keep an eye on and guard constantly. It's easier just to skip the trouble and keep the weapons equipped on manned subs instead, to be deployed when it's time to actually use them or only a short time before.

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    Post  Hole on Thu Dec 24, 2020 9:41 pm

    This unmanned ships the west and china a developing are even better. Jam their comm system and you are forced by the law of the sea to remove this threat for civilian shipping lanes and bring it to your next harbor. Laughing

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    Post  owais.usmani on Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:25 pm

    https://iz.ru/1111083/anton-lavrov-roman-kretcul/dom-poseidona-bazu-dlia-iadernykh-robotov-dostroiat-k-budushchemu-letu?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com

    The coastal base for nuclear submarine robots Poseidon will be ready in the summer of 2022. By this time, the construction of the infrastructure for the maintenance and storage of this new strategic deterrent will be completed. Tests of its first carrier are already nearing completion. The creation of the base in advance will extend the service life of this equipment, experts say.
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    Post  GarryB Yesterday at 2:08 am

    Actually it could be used as an opportunity for counterspy work... place a launch container for Poseidon on the sea bottom for testing... but don't put anything in it and put it in Russian waters... instead of a booby trap... fill it with recording equipment and sensors to detect approaching vessels so if when the US or other western agency goes to try to look at it or pinch it it transmits very loud signals and releases flares and EM transmissions that alert the Russians to the fact that their secret container containing nothing is being interfered with.

    No need to kill anyone, but certainly make them need a nappy change...

    Some sort of large container ship with massive cranes that can open up the deck and lift out bundles of Poseidons and lowering them over the side directly into the water any day or night 24/7 but preferably at night in some southern ocean in the middle of nowhere.... but not until the first missiles have been launched and tensions have already escalated to the point where they will definitely be needed... it would make trade with countries in Africa and Central and South America a useful cover to operate these ships in the southern oceans... the cost for HATO to monitor the entire planets oceans will be too costly even for a country printing its own money...

    Obviously a few subs will be the official carriers of Poseidon... but they have a lot of cargo ships with large suitable cranes.

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