Syrian War: News #17

lycantrop wrote:
Since Israels existence they made problems in middle east, before Iran "allegedly" called for Israels destruction.
You heard about "Greater Israel"?
Thats the Zionists ultimate endgame, google it, how big this "greater Israel" should be, which countrys would be destroyed/"cleaned" to create this state.
You know what happened to Palestinians, what happened as the cancer cell called "ISS-RAEL" spreaded?
Hezbollah was created as "self defence" against this psychopats, Iran is financing them and providing them weapons/ressources, and thats good!
It keeps those psychopats in check.
Saying this is all provoked by Iran is absolute nonsense

Nobody question that Israel is the major problem in the middle east... yes im aware of the Israel greater middle east
project.. of land stealing.. aware of Israel genocide.. on palenstianian ,But whatever is the case.. IRAN policies had to be done base on REALITY... not on fiction.. that IRAN can't defeat Israel..but the other thing is true.. Israel nukes can wipe IRAN of the face of earth... so what is IRAN thinking when threatening The existence of Israel?  

IRAN will not be so courageous in provoking Israel.. if Iran was located in Syria and had Israel and US warships and aircraft carriers armed with nukes near its borders. So IRAN needs to stop provoking Israel into a fight.. Because
it will achieve nothing good for Syria ,Lebanon and IRAN.

IRAN is simply taking advantage of its geographical position and nation size , to beat chest against israel..
Using Syria ,Lebanon and IRAQ as a shield..  It looks as if Iran will like to fight Israel ,to the last Syrian and lebanese citizens.. see thing? They are provoking its own allies to be attacked.. with friends like this who needs enemies?

IRAN should simply shut up its mouth and not give excuse to US and Israel to continue attacking Syria. The idea of IRAN getting nukes terrify Israel and with a valid Reason.. since Israel is very small and very vulnerable too . In the conference in Turkey.. The Defense Minister of IRAN was claiming /bragging about US and Israel total  defeat in Syria..
can you see this?. Why the ayatolah monkeys don't simply Shut the fuck off.. provoking the continuation of the war..
For IRAN is easy to provoke..because is not their nation army and airforce and navy the one that will be doing the fight.. so you see this?  IRAN is probably by pure idiocy ,making things worse ,by laughing in the face of israel and US
of their "defeat" in Syria.. specially when the war is far from over yet.

yes Israel have been threatening to destroy IRAN.. and Airforce generals on record ,saying could attack Russian military base too..But contrary to IRAN, Russia did not responded with a provocation and keep calm..

Im not defending Israel.. their state should be under sanctions by the entire world .. for what they doing..
but reality is.. They are dangerous and can do a lot of damage ,and So Iran is not helping in stabilize anything
with their provocations to US and Israel.

The Iranian government and Generals in the army. remembers me KIm Jon Un of North korea.. he really though
the few dozens of nukes he have could intimidate US.. now it looks like North Korea have seen reality and now
is ready to Disarm..  But IRAN is still beating its chest with the victories of others.. is Russia what have saved
Syria and not IRAN.. IRAN have reduced the pressure on the syrian army..yes.. but the one Risking everything for Syria is Russia not IRAN.  This neither helps Russia ,if IRAN provoke and annoy Israel.. so best thing IRAN can do..
is change is tune ,towards a conciliatory one.. of peace in the region. help Syria in secret and end their provocations.
and not be baited by israel provocations either. in fact IRAN Will be more helpful for Syria if proposed peace dialogues
with Israel.. that will help... So that no longer Israel feel ,they need to destroy Syria. and abandon their attacks.
IRAN needs to realize it can't defeat Israel . and Russia will neither seek to do it... so their military and hezbola be used only in self defense of lebanon and IRAN territory but Syria too.

starman wrote:

kvs wrote:
Trump is a retard.   It is Trump's buddies the headchoppers that killed over 3200 hostages (mostly women and children....

Right, and if Trump is so concerned about the killing of civilians, why doesn't he launch Tomahawks at ISRAEL, which just killed a bunch of people in the Gaza strip?

The scale of the humanitarian crisis in Yemen is vastly greater and Trump-tard is joining forces with the Saudis to attack Syria!

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/12/saudi-raids-kill-70-yemeni-civilians-48-hours-171225130825534.html

Millions of Yemenis are starving because of food supply disruptions created by the Saudis. I don't recall "animal Assad" being accused
of starving his people. But according to the US and friends Assad seems to have a self-defeating schizophrenia where he launches
totally pointless chemical attacks just when the SAA is about to achieve decisive victory. For example, the SAA now fully control
Douma and there is nothing left of the East Ghouta "rebel" enclave. So everyone is to believe that Assad has launched three
chemical weapons attacks in [b]seven[\b] years. Anyone ever hear of such low usage of weapons before?

JohninMK wrote:Looks like the US may be delaying any action. They are unlikely to want to hit the OPCW team, even by accident. Also gives them more time to prepare.

That is ridiculous statement. OPCW is first target they would want to hit.

China for a few scrap dollars ,will support anything..

Russia Stood Alone. China Didn’t Help Vote Down Trump’s Syria UN Resolution

https://russia-insider.com/en/russia-stood-alone-china-didnt-help-vote-down-trumps-syria-un-resolution/ri23071

To be fair, that's what they always do. No need to veto it, because Russia did that. China usually only vetoes when they are directly involved. Certain Chinese medias - especially the nationalistic Global Times - have supported Russia's position quite openly (by Chinese standards).

Kimppis wrote:To be fair, that's what they always do. No need to veto it, because Russia did that. China usually only vetoes when they are directly involved. Certain Chinese medias - especially the nationalistic Global Times - have supported Russia's position quite openly (by Chinese standards).

Still China policies are too self centered..
They want Russia help in China sea.. which is a war for taking more lands.. while Russia the conflicts
they participate is to defeat terrorism and defend people who supports them.. So China interest are selfish..
Russia interest are of nation security exclusively or helping allies attacked.

China could be giving a hand on Syria with warships ,to help in the defenses of Russian navy.. but just like
India ,they are more about personal gains and not about world contribution..

"RUSSIAN NAVY LAUNCHES LIVE-FIRE EXERCISES OFF SYRIAN COAST AMID EXPECTED US STRIKES."

https://southfront.org/russian-navy-launches-live-fire-exercises-off-syrian-coast-amid-expected-us-strikes/

flamming_python wrote:Let's be real.

Russia won't do shit.

Russia never sticks its neck out for anyone, nor even for itself. It just sits there and takes it.

For the flak that everyone gives America over betraying its allies.. Russia has a worse track record.

It lost Serbia. It lost Iraq. Libya. It betrayed many Eastern Ukrainians. India and Vietnam, once very close countries, are looking towards other partners.

Now Russia is in danger of losing Syria - and if it does, then Belarus and Kazakhstan will begin shifting their butt cheeks to the other chair too from the one that they're currently mostly (but not fully) on.
Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan will just shift to China.
Only Armenia will remain; because it's between a rock and a hard place and doesn't have any other options anyway.

And why do you think this?

Apparently Russian ad assets have moved from Russia to Iran.

I would also be fortifying the air Base and Navy base, while flying more fighters in, personally.

They can not wait long for an attack . They have to strike while the Iron is hot . Politically speaking . Still I think that we should wait and use passive detection and targeting and bunker down and use EW . They could not make a big attack in a short window of time available to them . Hence their weakness . I doubt if much damage will be caused . Must decide when to open fire with the big guns . Only when confirmed aircraft in air . Confirmed visually . And when bombs falling causing significant damage . It may be difficult to hold on . But must try . Show discipline .

Med a bad place for them . To fight a war . Only one entrance . Choke point . During WWII , submarine easily detected there . Also ship must pass a narrow point . Easily mined . Like straits of hormuz. .....poor yank and Co .

The safest option for Russia is to try to intercept as many American missiles as possible. I do not understand why they
also threatened to attack the ships firing those missiles. That would be total escalation since Americans would use any
sunk ship as a pretext itself for further aggression and forget all the other details involved. Either Russia is prepared to
escalate or it looks stupid for making a vapid threat.

It is still too early for Russia to rub Uncle Scumbag's nose in his own sh*t. Maybe in 10 or 20 years. The optimal response now
is hit any enemy missile or aircraft over Syrian territory. This includes Israeli trespassers.

Is very possible that trump and his generals ,will want to take advantage of the big chemical fake incident.. not only to target Syria but also do what they always wanted to do.. IRAN too.  its nuclear reactor. as punishment for aiding assad of using "chemical weapons" against children..

So it will be a good move for Russia to deploy more air defenses.. to intercept cruise missiles and ballistic in IRAN..
And that in change Russia get permission for using a military base of IRAN ,not only for refueling but for everything.
That will allow Russia strategic bombers and Mig-31 to target US military warships in Persian Gulf ,targeting Syria.

My bet is that most attacks on Syria will come from IRAQ and Jordan borders..  from the persian gulf..

The safest option for Russia is to try to intercept as many American missiles as possible. I do not understand why they
also threatened to attack the ships firing those missiles. That would be total escalation since Americans would use any
sunk ship as a pretext itself for further aggression and forget all the other details involved. Either Russia is prepared to
escalate or it looks stupid for making a vapid threat.

It is still too early for Russia to rub Uncle Scumbag's nose in his own sh*t. Maybe in 10 or 20 years. The optimal response now
is hit any enemy missile or aircraft over Syrian territory. This includes Israeli trespassers.

Because if they notice Russia weakness ,in response , it will put in danger the lives of Russians military globally.
it will put in danger Syria ,because everyone will be encouraged to attack Syria and invade. then
A military base of Russia attacked by "ISIS" using American controlled Drones.., check.. endless attacks on Syria
to reverse Russia gains , submarines attacked world wide ,and totally neutralize Syria air defenses. They will continue bombing until Syria and Russia this will also encourage Turkey to betray Russia again and Israel to start a new
military advance..

But like the video i posted before


it shows that if Russia act quickly and sink a warship or  submarine targeting their soldiers.. it can stop their operation.
it will be total break of relations ,but they are already broken anyway.. Russia can claim self defense. and that it warning them to not do it.. so they will be the ones to blame. As long US and UK And France don't feel consequences
for their criminal actions ,and pay no price , then they will continue targeting Russia.

However Russia could launch cruise missiles with very small detonating warhead.. just to send a message ,
it will damage their warships but not sink.. and will make them understand Russia will not accept their behavior.

KVS, they made those comments if Russians were to be murdered by US and allies when they launch their missiles.

If the attack is not stopped they'll come back for more.

The first one, and the threat of this second one is proof of that.

They have plenty of green and yellow on the map to carry out these false flags and set the stage for more, whenever it pleases them. The response can not be weak or lax. It will not just stop there and be a "parting shot" like another poster described it. The U.S is not leaving Syria anytime soon if you look at the map.

They sadly must be stopped. There is either a retreat, where the farce investigation by the OPCW takes place and people back off and sanctions are thrown around etc OR there is the strike and the response that must follow.

As for Israeli's interests....it's kind of rich that they are in such a privileged position as to decide how the country next to its border is armed. This is a nation of just 10M people behaving like a big power because it got nukes and is almost a defacto U.S state. As rogue of a state as there is. That this tiny state has mouthpieces worldwide doing its dirty work and defending its position as if it's some sort of self-defense when this is naked aggression by any standards just goes to show that the Jewish cult is real, and a plague.

Look at this guys, thats why the syrian army's capture of ghouta is being a made a big deal out of. Many foreign mercenary terrorists caught:

http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13970122001526

They were planning a lightening offensive to kill Assad like they did with gadhaffi, and take over damascus

@MSuchkov_ALM
1h1 hour ago

6. Finally, #Russia/n party expects #Pentagon pass #Moscow coordinates of precise targets #US seeks to strike "to theoretically avoid loses of Rus military that are present at dozens of #Syria/n military facilities", otherwose,  Rus MoD warned "consequences may be catastrophic"

It looks like the Pentagon are playing games with Russia..
To allow them to project power (not retreat) by attacking Syria..
and they offering the coordinates to Russia ,they will hit ,so that no Russian
soldiers harmed..what they dont say is that this will allow NATO to study Russia air defenses..for free
and then if any missile go off course by "mistake" and kill Russians ,then Russia do nothing.  
the general MOD response was neither yes ,neither no.. that it will be catastrophic.

Hopefully Russia will not accept this..
They will want to destroy all Syria completely and not live a single building ,electrical grid
and Infrastructure standing.. Russia needs to realize that being nice with NATO will not solve anything.
the will continue being polite while breaking Russia economy and will continue with sanctions and arming
terrorist target Russian soldiers. So US is in an undeclared war since they provoke the Syria and Ukraine
conflict.. and Russia making it more easier for them.. will only encourage them to attack more Russia.

NATO is trying to create a "Gentleman like Strikes" against Syria ,that could be seen not very offensive by Russia..
and so Russia only limit itself to target only the missiles and not the aggressors.. If Russia accept this deal ,
just because get coordinates, it will be teaching NATO how to counter their air defenses without consequences for them..

Is also Interesting according to previous post, of British captured..
how USCENTCOM is directly behind the operations in Syria.. the ones evacuating terrorist.. and organizing attacks
of ISIS and Alqaeda in Syrian army positions... This means that Russia consider a fair target CENTCOM headquaters in Tampa Florida.  IF US attack Russia military base. that will be a direct hit on the master minds of the whole Syrian battles of ISIS and Alqaeda. and the ones that will be leading ,France and Britain attacks on Syria too..

They are planning to strike it seems from Turkey territory with combat planes,without invading Syrian airspace.. Possibly to weaken Syria frontline and allow IDLIB terrorist to gain ground.. The Big danger will be if NATO deploy long range artillery in Turkey aiming at Russia S-400s military base.. This is why Russia needs to pressure Erdogan ,to not allow NATO to strike Syria from its base. otherwise will need to hit NATO combat planes.. and Turkey NATO base.

Interesting and funny too. Check Alex Jones praising Putin and begging Trump to not attack..
No matter what people says of Alex... he says what he believes.. and many times is wrong ,
but many times he is not..  watch at your own risk..

Emergency Message To Trump: Putin Accuses Deep State Of False Flag In Syria

Vann7 wrote:Interesting and funny too. Check Alex Jones praising Putin and begging Trump to not attack..
No matter what people says of Alex... he says what he believes.. and many times is wrong ,
but many times he is not..  watch at your own risk..

Emergency Message To Trump: Putin Accuses Deep State Of False Flag In Syria

This is what unchoreographed, real independent media looks like. Only CNN, BBC, et al. have a crystal clear
one-note-Johnny message. That message is a lie and that is why it is so coherent. The real world cannot
be covered in such a simple manner so fast. It is just way too complex, with very uncertain data sources.
But the fake stream media sings from a prepared chorus sheet. And people think this is the "real" news.

Canadian journalist totally crushes MSM reporter on what’s actually happening in Syria

According to some sources from Turkey citing Russian officials, Turkish side started a mediator initiative between US and Russia. And government-aligned A Haber calls two countries, meaning US and Russia, as "two important allies of Turkey"

And Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yıldırım called recent confrontation as "like nonsense street fighting"

IMO, Turkey does not want his airspace or landscape to be used for a NATO strike against Russia/Assad regime. But does support the idea that Assad should leave the office.

Russians still does not get the fact that working with factions demonized by West will always be problematic for them. Turkey is a NATO ally and hard to demonize, at least in open level. What Turkey calls for is to set-up a political basis that will not allow ANY figure that is/was a belligerent. Assad is definitely belligerent and having a man with a war-past is always problematic. If Russia wants to have an upper hand against the West, it should be understood that a fresh start is needed.

Of course, what prevents this from happening is Iran and Russia will continue to bleed as long as they favor Iran's secterian policies. Time will show it.

It lost Serbia. It lost Iraq. Libya. It betrayed many Eastern Ukrainians. India and Vietnam, once very close countries, are looking towards other partners.

Serbia didn't do enough to save itself, and the Russians were double crossed... Ask South Ossetia or Crimea or Abkhazia... if Russia abandoned its friends they would be totally different places than they are today.

Nobody question that Israel is the major problem in the middle east... yes im aware of the Israel greater middle east
project.. of land stealing.. aware of Israel genocide.. on palenstianian ,But whatever is the case.. IRAN policies had to be done base on REALITY... not on fiction.. that IRAN can't defeat Israel..but the other thing is true.. Israel nukes can wipe IRAN of the face of earth... so what is IRAN thinking when threatening The existence of Israel?

The state of Israel was created by terrorism... imagine lots of foreign people from Europe and around the world came to live near you and said because they are a victim people they have the right for having their own country... a country that has never existed before as a country of course, but they claim to be a group of people who lived there 2,000 years ago and now deserve their own country... you live where you live... you are part of the local population but you have no right to a country so you can move or they will move you... but you think Iran is the bad guys for helping you fight these people?

What would you think of a neighbour that just stood there and watched you get kicked out of your own house by idiots talking about things that happened 2000 years ago?

Can the original Americans do the same?

IRAN should simply shut up its mouth and not give excuse to US and Israel to continue attacking Syria.

Shouldn't Russia also shut its mouth and move its troops out of Syria , because the US and Israel might stop interfering in Syria if Russia was not there either?

REALLY?

Didn't really work in Libya... no Russia or Iran there...

The idea of IRAN getting nukes terrify Israel and with a valid Reason.. since Israel is very small and very vulnerable too

Does not scare them so much to make them give up their own nukes.

Really, if Israel can bomb any country in the region to stop them getting nukes then WTF does it need nuclear weapons for?

In the conference in Turkey.. The Defense Minister of IRAN was claiming /bragging about US and Israel total defeat in Syria..
can you see this?. Why the ayatolah monkeys don't simply Shut the fuck off.. provoking the continuation of the war..

Was he wrong? Why should he not be proud of what Iran and other countries have done to prevent the US and Israel turning Syria into another Sunni shit hole?

Im not defending Israel.. their state should be under sanctions by the entire world .. for what they doing..
but reality is.. They are dangerous and can do a lot of damage ,and So Iran is not helping in stabilize anything
with their provocations to US and Israel.

Iran has already stated it wants to destroy Israel... do you think anything else they might say will change anything?

Still China policies are too self centered..

Everybody is self centred... that is how politics work.

Do you think the KLA would have fooled NATO into murdering Serbs if they just asked nicely?

They had to murder Serbian soldiers and policemen near Albanian dominant villages so that the Serbian police and Army would retaliate... film the retaliation and you have the persecution where the west has to act... can't have that in europe...

The safest option for Russia is to try to intercept as many American missiles as possible. I do not understand why they
also threatened to attack the ships firing those missiles.

If they just threatened to shoot down missiles then the US and France and UK could attack with impunity... the missiles they launch are going to explode... whether they crash, or hit the target, or get shot down. Threatening to destroy a launch platform makes it more real... A Russian corvette sitting in port in Syria could launch a rocket powered 9RE1 from 40km away and with a modern capable torpedo have a really good chance of sinking a submarine... the rocket moves at mach 2 and the first warning of the attack for the sub is the splash of the torpedo hitting the water... which could be less than 1km away...

That would be total escalation since Americans would use any
sunk ship as a pretext itself for further aggression and forget all the other details involved.

A US attack based on suspicions... a Russia attack based on clear hard evidence... yeah, they sound the same...

I think Iran made ballistic warhead with mine laying capacity . I think Russia can do same . Maybe already has this . Best to let the fish swim into the med and red Sea and Persian Gulf net . Then close the net at three points . Bab el man dab , Gibraltar and hormuz . Russia can trade with world by land route to Europe . Iran can trade with China through Russia . Nobody killed . All ship captured . See we are kind , we don't kill yank ! The English and French and Yank can trade with Africa and import handicraft and monkey meat to enjoy . Meanwhile we sort all little problems without interference . Like usraelis and Saudi and Ukraine .......


PS : We will give coordinates of minefield and ship we want to commandere ........