Russian Navy: Status & News #4

It is a ship packing huge amount of cheap missile for its size supposed to go with bigger ship to launch massive attack in closed zones like black sea.

Where would it be operating where it is beyond range of land based air support?

America thinks Phalanx is fine for shooting down subsonic anti ship missiles... a 20mm cannon firing at half the rate of either of the two Russian 30mm cannons with a much lighter projectile than the Soviet guns... plus there is a 76mm gun on the front with presumably airburst ammo able to hit flying targets too.

It is basically a light patrol boat that can also be used for coastal defence using some anti ship missiles... if an enemy force approaches it will likely fire its anti ship missiles and then withdraw... it should be able to pretty much take on anything in the Caspian sea...

unless drone like Riper/Predator hovers on 5kms with couple of Hellfire missiles. Surely small ships alwasy have cover unless they dont.

Till the airburst 76.2mm shell shatters it... it would be better trying from 12km... but then Hellfires don't reach that far do they?

really nothing? what tghis dude was smokin? I need same stuff for the weekend

Yes, of course... the Russian Navy have never even comprehended the idea of a threat from low flying subsonic missiles threatening their ships and would be powerless to do anything about it... change the target from a land coordinate to a ship at sea and they become anti ship missiles which would be decimated by the Russian fleet that practises against such threats all the time... but set the target with land coordinates and they are in trouble...

The reason I didn't quote that is because he's only partially right.
Some targets may be hit, & the VMF will play a supporting role in operations in Idlib. It's the last rebel held enclave where many on both sides will be taken out of the gene pool soon.

Are you kidding?

A US strike on Syria wont be to help the forces in Idlib... they are already screwed... a US led cruise missile attack on Syria will focus on trying to take down the air defence forces of Syria... followed by waves of missiles to try to kill assad and his government structure...

first of all it's for deterrence. If Russian ship get hit will be response to carrier. So guess why Popmeo asked Lavrov for meeting? CMs flying without entering Turkey or Israel can decimated, but not all destroyed. There is more on land

A group of Russian ships in the Med also pushes back potentially safe launch positions for the cruise missile carriers... to avoid the risk they might be targeted...

So not only does it introduce a layer of defence against low flying subsonic cruise missiles... it greatly extends the flight time of the missiles because they will have to fly low... which uses up more fuel and makes them slower... it adds to the areas where they can be intercepted on the way to their targets, and it increases the warning time for forces in Syria to prepare for the attack.

Even klintok (naval OSA) is very capable of shooting down low flying cruise missiles, let alone larger SAMs on Russian ships...

The added factor is that those ships also carry anti ship and land attack missiles that could also be used to target the launch platforms of any missile strike... something NATO is not familiar... a target that can hit back.

You all fail to understand the point, if Russia is willing to escalate things to that point with the US they could do something, but Russia isn't about to cross that line with the states over Assad.

Assad is a figurehead... even if a cruise missile managed to kill him... the regime would remain and anyone who replaced him in office is hardly going to be pro west and Americas best friend in the region...

And it is the US that is crossing lines, Russia is just reacting... any of those cruise missiles pass close to Russian ships they might consider it a threat and retaliate on the source of the threat... nothing the US Navy would not do...

Hold your​ horses everyone

Those missiles are for Idlib

Let's not go full whatever that last USA ops was again

The US has made it clear it will hold Assad personally responsible for any chemical weapon attack... we know they don't have any requirement for evidence... they just need footage on social media showing men in a hospital washing children with fire hoses... they wont fire a single missile at Idlib... this is going to be a heavy strike and it is going to target the Assad regime with the goal of decapitation of the Syrian government....

Its about Russia. After fall of Assad is Iran then Russia. Meh no psychos in West.

It is about Russias future... lets face it if Assad was in americas pocket he could murder any one he liked... he would be a bastard, but he would be our bastard.... just check out bus killing Saudis... they execute gays and human rights activists but they are OK because they bought 400 billion dollars worth of US weapons....

Lets face it... no matter who Russia deals with... the west will class them as tyrants and murderers and dictators... even elected people like Hugo Chaves...

At the end of the day when the US pushes the Russians are going to have to start pushing back... the cold war ended and the warsaw pact and part of the former soviet union jumped ship like the rats they are... actually probably a good deal for Russia and a bad deal for NATO, but it was a significant loss of market.

Russia needs to find new trading partners... it doens't matter if they are poor... both trade partners can develop and grow with mutually beneficial trade.

The rich powerful west are going to do all they can to stop this of course because they want to contain the Russians and keep the rest of the world under their thumb.

It is why in 10-15 years Russia will need a powerful navy including carriers so when this sort of shit happens off the coast of south africa or south america that Russia will be able to respond with sufficient force to make the west back down.

If Russia can't defend their allies it will be isolated, weakened and ultimately defeated.

And importantly right now when dick head Trump is stupid enough to be a bully in public (the US was allways a bully but doing it in public is a good lesson for the average people of the world who don't normally see their governments getting hot crumpet from behind by the US ambassador and being told what they should be doing if they don't want the Gaddafi treatment).

Now is a time to get allies and new trade partners... countries that would previously never have considered Russia as a partner, but realise what sort of relationship they have with the west is bad for them... of course if russia backs down or does nothing and Syria gets its regime killed then they are no longer a viable alternative to the west...