Vladimir79 wrote:$400 million propulsion refurbishment.
If that figure is accurate, there's your corruption right there.
Vladimir79 wrote:$400 million propulsion refurbishment.
KiloGolf wrote:If that figure is accurate, there's your corruption right there.
Vladimir79 wrote:KiloGolf wrote:
This is just bad management and corruption. Russian admirals don't want to admit that they need to either upgrade it meaningfully (for which they have to fight for $$$ and lobby hard) or dump it. They prefer to keep it sailing, in whatever horrific state, sporting proudly its BBQ smoker and cement AESA panels, and keep their jobs. The MIC in shipbuilding overcharges such medium-term contracts, making sure the ship will be back for repairs very soon. The Russian politicians get to keep their toy and attempt to show off the flag (although the recent Syrian expedition was a clvsterfvck). Everyone is a winner, apart from the Russian taxpayer and their Navy.
Apparently to point that out is Russophobic.
It was supposed to be a $2 billion modernisation that turned into a $400 million propulsion refurbishment.
Big_Gazza wrote:KiloGolf wrote:If that figure is accurate, there's your corruption right there.
A Greek talking about corruption... now THATS funny
..except it isn't. The K is not just in for propulsion repair, and you know it, but as a fundamentally dishonest little pissant, you choose to lie about it in a vain attempt to further your Russophobe screed.KiloGolf wrote:
Like, half a billion USD for some steam turbine boilers, really?
kvs wrote:
...fanboyhatersretardsbs...
So the two ships are almost the same age.
marat wrote:Just one is twice bigger nuclear powered carrier that actually works and on which planes could safely land. And she is party of the navy that have sufficient funds to cover maintenance of whole fleet and to build enough new ships to be worlds biggest navy.
Another one is a bit different story don't you think?
And is it possible that you are such a big assholes that you are not capable for any discussion without personal attacks and insulting's?
In good old MP you would be banned in first day.
kvs wrote:A $2.6 billion contract to refuel and modernize the USS Abraham Lincoln. Nothing like installing new rocket
launcher canisters.
Big_Gazza wrote:Ask the Jihadis in Syria if the K "works".
Big_Gazza wrote:Ask the Jihadis in Syria if the K "works".
Big_Gazza wrote:marat wrote:Just one is twice bigger nuclear powered carrier that actually works and on which planes could safely land. And she is party of the navy that have sufficient funds to cover maintenance of whole fleet and to build enough new ships to be worlds biggest navy.
Another one is a bit different story don't you think?
And is it possible that you are such a big assholes that you are not capable for any discussion without personal attacks and insulting's?
In good old MP you would be banned in first day.
Ask the Jihadis in Syria if the K "works". Sure, the Navy lost 2 planes for reasons related to equipment failures, but the K worked as she needed to, her propulsion didn't break down, and she didn't provide an embarrassing propaganda smorgasbord for the HATOstanis.
Regarding "personal attacks" its a sign of the frustration that some feel when they (we) must constantly bat away the utter BS diatribes that emanates from certain posters in this forum who simply insist on shit-canning everything that doesn't meet with their approval. The Russian surface fleet is low on the pecking order, and many programs have been impacted by lack of funds, lack of engines (due to Ukropi orc antics) or the generally poor state of shipyards that have been rundown for decades due to a lack of orders. Its not an ideal situation, and everyone knows it, but instead of cutting the Navy some slack, these posters puke the same BS time and time again.
If they stop there incessant bitchy whining, there just may be less "personal attacks". Appeasement is not a option, so its their choice.
Vladimir79 wrote:KiloGolf wrote:
This is just bad management and corruption. Russian admirals don't want to admit that they need to either upgrade it meaningfully (for which they have to fight for $$$ and lobby hard) or dump it. They prefer to keep it sailing, in whatever horrific state, sporting proudly its BBQ smoker and cement AESA panels, and keep their jobs. The MIC in shipbuilding overcharges such medium-term contracts, making sure the ship will be back for repairs very soon. The Russian politicians get to keep their toy and attempt to show off the flag (although the recent Syrian expedition was a clvsterfvck). Everyone is a winner, apart from the Russian taxpayer and their Navy.
Apparently to point that out is Russophobic.
It was supposed to be a $2 billion modernisation that turned into a $400 million propulsion refurbishment.
Militarov wrote:Vladimir79 wrote:KiloGolf wrote:
This is just bad management and corruption. Russian admirals don't want to admit that they need to either upgrade it meaningfully (for which they have to fight for $$$ and lobby hard) or dump it. They prefer to keep it sailing, in whatever horrific state, sporting proudly its BBQ smoker and cement AESA panels, and keep their jobs. The MIC in shipbuilding overcharges such medium-term contracts, making sure the ship will be back for repairs very soon. The Russian politicians get to keep their toy and attempt to show off the flag (although the recent Syrian expedition was a clvsterfvck). Everyone is a winner, apart from the Russian taxpayer and their Navy.
Apparently to point that out is Russophobic.
It was supposed to be a $2 billion modernisation that turned into a $400 million propulsion refurbishment.
Wait, they are still going to spend 2 billion in a whole right? 400mil is just propulsion? I mean it will get modernised beside propulsion too?
hoom wrote:Can anyone explain how these things actually work?
hoom wrote:Thanks, that helps a lot
Where are the burners though, in the middle?
Oh jebus if those were made with the same quality as those 404 mortars
MOSCOW, July 25. /TASS/. Russia’s sole aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov will undergo 7-month trials after its repairs and upgrade, Zvyozdochka Shipyard CEO Sergei Marichev told TASS on Wednesday.
"In mid-April this year, a contract was signed for the repairs and some modernization works that will last two years and a half, after which seven-month trials are scheduled," the chief executive said.
‘In the first place, large-scale repairs of the warship’s main propulsion unit are planned along with the replacement of boilers, the repair and recovery of main geared-turbine assemblies, powerplant compartments, the equipment of turbine and diesel-driven generator units and refrigerating mechanisms. This is a very large and technologically complex volume of work," he stressed.
Zvyozdochka Shipyard specialists started repairs and upgrade works on the aircraft carrier even before the contract was signed, the chief executive said.
The Shipyard has already drawn up a schedule of all the works and started working out technological documentation. The operations of dismantling, unloading and dispatching equipment to defense machine-building enterprises are proceeding ahead of schedule, Marichev noted.
"Repair works under the contract have been launched in full since May within the framework of the documentation received," the chief executive said.
The basic volume of works will be carried out at the dockside of Zvyozdochka’s branch - the 35th Ship Repair Enterprise in Murmansk in north-west Russia, he added.
"At a certain moment, the ship will be delivered to the dock for dismantling the line of shafts and screws, carry out their flaw detection and repairs, repair the sea valves and make coating of the hull’s underwater part. This operation is planned in Roslyakovo, in the PD-50 floating dock," Marichev said.
Aircraft carrier’s repairs
The shipbuilders signed a contract with Russia’s Defense Ministry in April this year on the repair of the Project 11435 heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov.
As Russian Navy Deputy Commander-in-Chief Viktor Bursuk said earlier, repairs on Russia’s sole aircraft carrier started in May this year and the Navy expects to get the upgraded warship back in 2021.
During its upgrade, the aircraft carrier is set to get new air defense systems, in particular, the Pantsyr-M surface-to-air missile complex. Also, the aircraft carrier will be furnished with new powerplant, new boilers, pumps and flight control systems.
The Admiral Kuznetsov
The Project 11435 heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov is designed to gain superiority at sea and in the air in the areas of the fleet’s operation to ensure the fleet’s combat sustainability, deliver air strikes against enemy targets and support troops’ landing operations.
The warship entered service in 1990. It displaces 58,000 tonnes and has a length of 304.5 meters. The aircraft carrier has a full speed capacity of 200,000 horsepower and develops a speed of up to 30 knots. Apart from the air task force of 24-26 fighter jets and 12 helicopters, the Admiral Kuznetsov is armed with anti-ship and air defense missile systems.
The warship is equipped with a ski-jump and two aircraft elevators. It has a crew of 1,300 while the air group’s personnel numbers 660 men.
George1 wrote:The history of developing Russian Navy’s flagship and its combat capabilities in TASS special project
http://kuznetsov.tass.com/?_ga=2.196697131.625469590.1532436163-1492458617.1519912914
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