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    Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News #2

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    Post  mnztr Tue May 14, 2019 4:48 am

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    mnztr wrote:Hmm I wonder if the shipyard deliberately sank the floating dock so it would get funds for the drydock, thus securing its future for large ship construction...nicely played comerade lol

    It sank because of neglect.  

    How so? It was just supporting a huge carrier shortly before it sank....someone screwed up. The dock itself was not in perfect shape but it takes quite a lot for it to lose bouyency with many isolated tanks.
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    Post  Admin Tue May 14, 2019 6:54 am

    mnztr wrote:

    How so? It was just supporting a huge carrier shortly before it sank....someone screwed up. The dock itself was not in perfect shape but it takes quite a lot for it to lose bouyency with many isolated tanks.

    When it lost power the water pumps went out, the back-up generators had no fuel in them.
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    Post  GarryB Tue May 14, 2019 11:11 am

    It was not the newest structure and anything that big and likely neglected for long periods of time during the last 40 years... it would seriously be relying on pumps to keep those ballast tanks empty enough to keep it stable and level... especially with the 60K tons of the Kuznetsov on its back...

    It didn't need to totally sink... just roll to one side and then sink.
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    Post  mnztr Wed May 15, 2019 4:38 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    mnztr wrote:

    How so? It was just supporting a huge carrier shortly before it sank....someone screwed up. The dock itself was not in perfect shape but it takes quite a lot for it to lose bouyency with many isolated tanks.

    When it lost power the water pumps went out, the back-up generators had no fuel in them.  

    they normally need power to add or remove water. A power failure should not have been an immediate emergency. In any case its all very convenient. Now they get govt $$ for a proper drydock. hmmmmmmm
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    Post  hoom Wed May 15, 2019 6:35 am

    There is no way the shipyard management did it intentionally while K was in dock.
    They'd be facing a purging that'd make Yezhov & Beria blush.
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    Post  mnztr Fri May 17, 2019 8:01 am

    hoom wrote:There is no way the shipyard management did it intentionally while K was in dock.
    They'd be facing a purging that'd make Yezhov & Beria blush.

    They did it when the ship was already untied and was already floating..then things went horribly wrong lol
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    Post  Admin Fri May 17, 2019 9:13 am

    hoom wrote:There is no way the shipyard management did it intentionally while K was in dock.
    They'd be facing a purging that'd make Yezhov & Beria blush.

    They had a purging four months before it happened. The dock captain and his crew were removed for some reason.
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    Post  hoom Fri May 17, 2019 10:26 am

    By govt or by management?
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri May 17, 2019 10:38 pm

    There was no guarantee that a new dock would be installed at that yard. They could have done it after Adm K left the dock, if that was intentional. IMO, it was just the classic Russian hope that "nothing bad would happen".
    USC has promised a new ADS on Admiral Kuznetsov after repairs
    https://www.rbc.ru/politics/17/05/2019/5cdeae479a794788459f780d
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    Post  GarryB Sat May 18, 2019 4:35 am

    The easiest and cheapest upgrade would be to upgrade the naval TOR system with the newest models with smaller lighter longer ranged missiles that they could carry twice as many of in the existing space, plus the AK turrets could be replaced with Duet turrets, and Kashtan-M replaced with Pantsir-SM...

    Replacing some of the propulsion should allow a speed increase
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat May 18, 2019 5:06 am

    More speed will create a stronger wind over the deck & heavier laden fighters may be able to take off it.
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    Post  mnztr Sat May 18, 2019 6:08 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:There was no guarantee that a new dock would be installed at that yard. They could have done it after Adm K left the dock, if that was intentional. IMO, it was just the classic Russian hope that "nothing bad would happen".
    USC has promised a new ADS on Admiral Kuznetsov after repairs
    https://www.rbc.ru/politics/17/05/2019/5cdeae479a794788459f780d

    They knew the ship could not be repaired without one, walk away from the Kuz? no way. too big to fail. That is why they took the props off, so the ship could be sailed elsewhere...
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Fri May 24, 2019 7:04 pm

    https://flotprom.ru/2019/%D0%97%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B4%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BA%D0%B04/


    flotprom.ru wrote:Preparatory work on creating a dry dock for "Admiral Kuznetsov

    May 24, 2019 at 17:02 Topic: Industry

    Specialists of the Zvezdochka Ship Repair Center continue to prepare technical documentation for combining the dry docks of the 35th ship repair plant. There in 2020, the docking repair of the heavy aircraft carrier of the project 11435 "Admiral Kuznetsov" will begin. This Mil.Press FlotProm reported on "Star".

    The relevant work began to lead at the beginning of the year, but the information was not disclosed.

    The new facility will allow docking of the same types of surface ships and submarines as the sunken floating dock PD-50, an informed industry source told the publication. He added that the project to unite the docks was prepared in the early 2010s, but then they did not find money to implement it.
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    This plan existed at least since

    2012

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/397309.html

    (...)
    According to the reconstruction plan, the small and large chambers of the 35th SRK dock will be merged and extended. If now the enterprise can repair only large anti-submarine ships, then in two years heavy aircraft carriers and nuclear missile cruisers of the Northern Fleet, as well as large tankers, can be repaired here. All military facilities will be grouped in the center, there will also be heavy aircraft-carrying cruisers "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov" and Vikramaditya (? -Bmpd). These works are aimed at expanding the list of works carried out at the plant and reducing costs.

    (...)

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    Post  hoom Sat May 25, 2019 2:31 am

    Good find, I'd only seen a 2016 version before.
    PD-50 was already at end-of-life with replacement overdue & this seems to have been the planned replacement.

    Don't understand quite why the Navy/Govt didn't nearly immediately go 'oh yeah, we've been planning this replacement for years already so we'll just accelerate that now'.
    I guess it makes sense to evaluate other options before going ahead but I'd have thought they'd have already done that before dunno
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:38 am

    Update: https://lenta.ru/news/2019/06/10/pd50/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com

    They r not happy but there is no other feasible alternative. Better later than never!
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:27 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Update: https://lenta.ru/news/2019/06/10/pd50/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com

    They r not happy but there is no other feasible alternative. Better later than never!

    Via Yandex, the outcome of yesterdsay's meeting should be interesting, it was mentioned as being in the future in the article.


    The Navy (Navy) of Russia is not satisfied with the proposed "United shipbuilding Corporation" (USC) temporary scheme of the dock operation, which allows to complete the repair of the only Russian aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov"on time. This was reported by TASS source in the shipbuilding industry.

    The interlocutor of the Agency said that the last docking of the ship was decided to be carried out at the facilities of the 35th ship repair plant (SRZ, the branch of "Asterisk"), which must be upgraded before that. The contractor requires 2.5 years to repair the sites, which automatically breaks the deadlines for the completion of repair work on the aircraft carrier. On the other hand, the proposed USC temporary scheme of the dock operation, which allows to meet the deadlines, does not suit the Navy.

    "The meeting on repair and modernization of Admiral Kuznetsov will be held [June 10] at the 35th shipyard by the new commander-in-chief of the Russian Navy Admiral Nikolai Evmenov. The military and industry will participate," the source added.

    In may, it was reported that the dock repair of Admiral Kuznetsov will continue in 2020 at the construction, which is the Union of two dry docks of the 35th SRZ, for which the relevant technical documentation is currently being prepared.

    In April, defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said that the repair and modernization of "Admiral Kuznetsov" completed a quarter, and all work will be completed before the end of 2020.

    In October 2018 on the 82nd SRZ in the village of Roslyakovo (Murmansk region), where the aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov" was repaired, the floating dock PD-50 drowned. At the same time, two tower cranes fell on the dock, one of which broke through the deck of the aircraft carrier, provoking the appearance of a hole measuring four by five meters. The ship was towed to the 35th SRZ after the incident.
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    Post  hoom Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:52 am

    Hmm, temporary setup -> definitely not going to have the new joined dock ready for K.

    I guess something like they want to do the basic work to join the two docks, put K in and close the 'gate' with a temp coffer dam, pump out & do the K work, then finish off the dock properly for future after K is done.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:02 pm

    https://ria.ru/20190627/1555957248.html

    They went from 2.5 years to 1 year to complete the upgrade of the docks. I believed thos kind of feats were only possible during Staliyn time with the menace of being sent to the gulags in case of failure...
    Google translate wrote:
    The dock under the aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov" is upgraded over the year



    PARK PATRIOT (Moscow region), June 27 - RIA Novosti. Modernization of shipyards of the 35th shipbuilding plant (Murmansk) to dock the aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov will last for a year, this will not affect the delivery of the ship in 2021, the head of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) Alexey Rakhmanov told Thursday.

    Terms of delivery of the aircraft carrier risked moving due to a recent accident: last October at the 82nd ship repair plant (Murmansk region) the floating dock PD-50 went under water, hitting the deck of the only aircraft carrier of the Russian Navy.

    “From July 1, we will start the modernization works of the dock. It will take a year to ensure docking of the Kuznetsov. We must have time to give the fleet a ship in 2021,” Rakhmanov said during the Army-2019 forum.

    On the eve of the plant "Zvezdochka" (included in USC) signed a contract with one of the Russian banks to finance the repair of shipyards of the 35th plant.

    According to Rakhmanov, the docking of the ship and the modernization of shipyards will be carried out simultaneously. “If defects on the units are detected on the ship, which often occurs during repairs, we will simultaneously carry out repairs and eliminate defects,” the head of USC noted.

    The military department concluded a state contract with the Zvezdochka Center for the restoration of technical readiness and the modernization of an aircraft carrier in April last year. Shipbuilders themselves have previously assured that they will perform the work on time despite the emergency with a floating dock.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:20 pm

    They said it will take one year, Russia has said many things. Don't count your chickens before they hatch,
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    Post  hoom Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:22 am

    the docking of the ship and the modernization of shipyards will be carried out simultaneously
    This is a pretty interesting phrase.
    I think it fits with my guess of breaking the wall & doors, putting K in then building a coffer dam & draining it to do the repairs.
    Adds the unexpected bit of actually finishing off the dock work while K is in there, maybe even installing the doors.

    I can see why Navy would be iffy about it but its a way to get K out of the water significantly earlier than if they waited for the dock to be completed before putting K in.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:34 pm


    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4031913



    Under the "Admiral Kuznetsov" break the wall

    Dry dock for a cruiser will cost 20 billion rubles.

     

     

    Newspaper "Kommersant" №122 from07/15/2019page 7

    As “Kommersant” found out, the Petersburg I.I.S.under a contract with the center of ship repair Zvezdochka for 20 billion rubles. upgrades dry dock at the 35th ship repair plant in Murmansk. The dock is needed for the repair of the only aircraft carrier in the Navy, the Admiral Kuznetsov. It is planned to merge two existing docks into one large one. The work is planned to be completed in 2020, and in 2021 the cruiser will be handed over to the fleet, but experts doubt that these deadlines are realistic.

    The Zvezdochka Ship Repair Center, part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC), has entered into a contract with the St. Petersburg Investment. Engineering. Construction ”(IIS) for the modernization of the dry dock of the 35th Ship Repair Plant (SRZ) in Murmansk, sources told Kommersant. Modernization is necessary for docking the only aircraft carrier in the Navy, the Admiral Kuznetsov, the cost of the contract is about 20 billion rubles.

    At Zvezdochka, “Kommersant” was informed that the dock of the 35th SRZ consists of two adjacent chambers that the contractor will have to combine, removing the partition between them. Work will also be carried out on the modernization of all the structures of the hydraulic structure - walls, slipway plates, dock equipment and other things, concluded at the enterprise. Terms and cost of the contract there do not comment.

    Member of the Board of Directors I.I.S. Andrei Mushkarev confirmed to “Kommersant” that the company signed with Zvezdochka a contract for the reconstruction of the 35th ship repair yard, where, according to the results of the modernization, the largest dock in Russia will be created to receive large ships and ships. Details of the contract and the cost of Mr. Mushkarev declined to comment, adding that the company won in a closed tender. He noted that the hydrotechnical works under the contract are aimed at the early introduction of the dock into operation, so that all deadlines are met, including the repair and delivery of the Admiral Kuznetsov.

    How USC found a place for "Admiral Kuznetsov"

    According to SPARK-Interfax, 60% of AO I.I.S. belongs to the Cyprus Voje Investments Limited, 40% of the eponymous LLC, the beneficiary of which is Gleb Yevtushenko. Recently, the company was mentioned in the context of the creation of a national marine dredging company (see “Kommersant” dated May 15and June 4 ). Among the projects on the website I.I.S. the creation of an artificial land plot in the area of ​​Krestovsky Island, construction of berthing walls in Zelenogradsk of the Kaliningrad region, repair dredging works in the Barochny basin, construction of a sea terminal in the port of Ust-Luga in the first phase, etc.

    Modernization of the 35th SRZ in Murmansk has been discussed for the last three years, the works were supposed to start in 2021, but because of the need to urgently find a place for repairing Admiral Kuznetsov, the project accelerated ( see March 20 ). At the end of 2018, the 82nd ship repair yard (owned by Rosneft) sank the largest in Russia floating dock PD-50, the only one in the country capable of receiving large ships of the Russian Navy, it was also planned to dock atomic icebreakers LC-60 for the first time.

    What could be the cause of the accident PD-50 floating dock

    At the end of June, the head of USC, Alexei Rakhmanov, told RIA Novosti that the modernization of shipyards of the 35th shipbuilding yard will last a year, and the docking of the ship and the modernization of shipyards will be carried out simultaneously. Mr. Rakhmanov stressed that the "Admiral Kuznetsov" will be handed over to the fleet in 2021, as planned.

    But Kommersant sources in the industry and experts do not consider the deadlines realistic. “In order to meet the deadlines, the contractor will probably limit itself to the creation of a temporary dry dock option: the longitudinal wall of the structure will be demolished and a temporary dam created. This will allow in the shortest possible time to drive the ship into dry dock and begin work. Upon completion of the repair of the cruiser, the modernization of the dock will continue; it may take about three years, ”says the“ Kommersant ”interlocutor. The Ministry of Defense "b" did not provide a comment. Mikhail Barabanov, a senior researcher at the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (TSAST), also considers unrealistic both the period of the restructuring of the docks of the 35th SRH in one year and the docking of Admiral Kuznetsov for the same period. In his opinion, the modernization of the docks will stretch for another two or three years, that is, the end of the repair of “Admiral Kuznetsov” is possible not earlier than 2023.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:56 pm

    Again just buy some floating dry docks from China.
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    Post  hoom Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:11 pm

    Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News #2 - Page 18 24-7892693-c9hev28ti
    and https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6920407
    “Today, all work is on schedule, technical advancement is about 38% today. This is what corresponds to the schedule and is recorded in the original documents. Work at the 35th plant has been deployed, about 15 pieces of equipment are constantly working to disassemble existing ones and start formation of (new) hydraulic structures. We have fears that we will not be able to meet the schedule for docking, no, "Rakhmanov said.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Wed Sep 25, 2019 8:43 pm

    hoom wrote:
    “Today, all work is on schedule, technical advancement is about 38% today. This is what corresponds to the schedule and is recorded in the original documents. Work at the 35th plant has been deployed, about 15 pieces of equipment are constantly working to disassemble existing ones and start formation of (new) hydraulic structures. We have fears that we will not be able to meet the schedule for docking, no, "Rakhmanov said.
    horribile translation. It should be: we have no fear that....
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    Post  hoom Sat Sep 28, 2019 11:10 am

    Yeah Google Translate has a big issue with negatives like that.

    Anyway, good to see work happening, seemingly at decent pace.

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