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    Post  calm Fri Aug 04, 2017 6:32 pm

    JohninMK wrote:ISIS have had a long time to prepare the defences as they were well aware of the town's strategic importance.

    Yeah, but we will see if they decide to retreat.

    They had/have some pretty good defenses around Sukhna
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    Post  par far Fri Aug 04, 2017 7:43 pm




    Do not trust the Kurds, if the the Kurds want something, ask for 10x more back.



    https://southfront.org/syrian-war-report-august-4-2017-army-sdf-boost-cooperation-set-up-joint-operations-room/


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    Post  d_taddei2 Fri Aug 04, 2017 8:08 pm

    It's highly likely ISIS have dug tunnels to which artillery will have no effect . And I bet ISIS masters have either promised them some extra virgins or threatened them noT to retreat. It was always going to be a tough fight
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    Post  eehnie Fri Aug 04, 2017 8:10 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:

    This is really worrisome. Why cant they just smash ISIS with heavy artillery there? There arent any civilians and the SAA can destroy any ISIS position from afar. This is a small city. There shouldn't even  be urban fights there.
    The logistics of getting a significant amount of ammo there is pretty horrible. If that had been feasible  tactic then no doubt a couple of Tu-22M overflights would have happened. ISIS have had a long time to prepare the defences as they were well aware of the town's strategic importance.

    ISIS are proving to be a pretty formidable adversary when up against the locals. A suicidal force with modern munitions and delivery options is proving to be a very tough nut to crack. It is only the assistance of the Russian and US forces that seems to make any success possible and I have no doubt that we are only seeing the tip of that particular iceberg.

    Intoxicator rewriting the history.

    The Iranian assistance has been fairly and clearly more decissive and effective vs ISIS than the US assistance.

    Without comment about the indirect help (or even maybe direct) the ISIS received from the US.


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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Aug 04, 2017 8:12 pm

    calm wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:ISIS have had a long time to prepare the defences as they were well aware of the town's strategic importance.

    Yeah, but we will see if they decide to retreat.

    They had/have some pretty good defenses around Sukhna
    From 1:25

    they will not retreat, they will fight until the last man is dead. Sukan is just too important for them to abandon
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    Post  franco Fri Aug 04, 2017 9:27 pm

    Agreed. Any defensible location will be fought to the last man now. There is no where to go and no future left on planet earth. Just hope they are suicidal in their desire to get them 72 million fleas.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:15 pm



    E. #Syria: approx. situation on 8th day of Regime offensive supported by #RuAF & #Iran|ian-backed forces to take #ISIS-held #Sukhnah.

    https://twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/893455453463732224
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    Syrian Arab Army captured Abu Hammad and Salim al-Hammad from Islamic State

    https://twitter.com/CivilWarMap/status/893521619720835072
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:47 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    they will not retreat, they will fight until the last man is dead. Sukan is just too important for them to abandon
    Excuse my ignorance but is Sukan and Sukhnah two names for the same place?
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    Post  calm Fri Aug 04, 2017 11:08 pm

    #Lebanon: footage showing pre-emptive (air)strikes on #ISIS pocket E. of Ras Balbek, after several days of Lebanese Army build-up.



    Suknah means heat in Arabic. Something like that.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Aug 04, 2017 11:44 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    they will not retreat, they will fight until the last man is dead. Sukan is just too important for them to abandon
    Excuse my ignorance but is Sukan and Sukhnah two names for the same place?

    I call Sakhnah, sukan.
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:04 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    they will not retreat, they will fight until the last man is dead. Sukan is just too important for them to abandon
    Excuse my ignorance but is Sukan and Sukhnah two names for the same place?

    I call Sakhnah, sukan.
    Thanks, sometimes good to have your own shorthand.
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:26 am

    An interesting, thoughtful article on the legality of the US's physical presence in Syria, originally argued on the basis that the Syrian Government was incapable of protecting the world from ISIS so needed external help. A fairly tenuous argument given their success to date but I suspect the Government are pretty happy to have the US supported Kurds fighting ISIS for as long as possible. A small excerpt

    As Major Patrick Walsh, associate professor in the International and Operational Law Department at the US Army’s Judge Advocate General’s Legal Center and School in Virginia, wrote that October:

    “The United States and others who are acting in collective defense of Iraq and Turkey are in a precarious position. The international community is calling on Russia to stop attacking rebel groups and start attacking ISIS. But if Russia does, and if the Assad government commits to preventing ISIS from attacking Syria’s neighbors and delivers on that commitment, then the unwilling or unable theory for intervention in Syria would no longer apply. Nations would be unable to legally intervene inside Syria against ISIS without the Assad government’s consent.”

    The UK’s leading security and defense analyst firm IHT Markit observed in an April 2017 report that during the time period in which ISIS suffered its most crippling defeats, Syrian allied forces fought the terror group two and a half times as often as U.S.-backed ones. With the Russian air force providing Syrian allied troops with game-changing air cover, the battle against ISIS and other terror groups began to turn decisively in Syria’s favor. And, with that, out went even the “theoretical” justification for U.S. military intervention in Syria.

    As ISIS and Al Qaeda are beaten back in Syria, the American conversation about what comes next is missing a most critical point. In terms of international law, Washington has gone rogue in Syria. Will the world take notice?


    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/is-the-expanding-u-s-military-presence-in-syria-legal/
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    Post  franco Sat Aug 05, 2017 1:30 am

    For all you techies out there. This was reported as a Mig-29smt in Syria to day Suspect There is only a quick view of rear but dunno

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH_2QW9iGBs&feature=youtu.be
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Aug 05, 2017 1:35 am

    franco wrote:For all you techies out there. This was reported as a Mig-29smt in Syria to day  Suspect  There is only a quick view of rear but dunno

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH_2QW9iGBs&feature=youtu.be

    Could be SyAF, they use 29s
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    Post  franco Sat Aug 05, 2017 1:49 am

    One of the Syrian reporters just twitted that some Mig-29SMT's have arrived at Khmemeim air base.

    Wael Al Hussaini‏ @WaelHussaini 2 hours ago

    Exclusive: #Russia deployed few numbers of Mig-29SMT in Khmemeim AB #Syria

    On another note it was reported earlier in the week that the sat image aircraft count at Khmemeim was back up to 33. That was without any 29's.

    http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/13107/russias-air-base-in-syria-is-now-filled-with-advanced-multi-role-fighters
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    Post  eehnie Sat Aug 05, 2017 4:04 am

    JohninMK wrote:An interesting, thoughtful article on the legality of the US's physical presence in Syria, originally argued on the basis that the Syrian Government was incapable of protecting the world from ISIS so needed external help. A fairly tenuous argument given their success to date but I suspect the Government are pretty happy to have the US supported Kurds fighting ISIS for as long as possible. A small excerpt

    As Major Patrick Walsh, associate professor in the International and Operational Law Department at the US Army’s Judge Advocate General’s Legal Center and School in Virginia, wrote that October:

    “The United States and others who are acting in collective defense of Iraq and Turkey are in a precarious position. The international community is calling on Russia to stop attacking rebel groups and start attacking ISIS. But if Russia does, and if the Assad government commits to preventing ISIS from attacking Syria’s neighbors and delivers on that commitment, then the unwilling or unable theory for intervention in Syria would no longer apply. Nations would be unable to legally intervene inside Syria against ISIS without the Assad government’s consent.”

    The UK’s leading security and defense analyst firm IHT Markit observed in an April 2017 report that during the time period in which ISIS suffered its most crippling defeats, Syrian allied forces fought the terror group two and a half times as often as U.S.-backed ones. With the Russian air force providing Syrian allied troops with game-changing air cover, the battle against ISIS and other terror groups began to turn decisively in Syria’s favor. And, with that, out went even the “theoretical” justification for U.S. military intervention in Syria.

    As ISIS and Al Qaeda are beaten back in Syria, the American conversation about what comes next is missing a most critical point. In terms of international law, Washington has gone rogue in Syria. Will the world take notice?


    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/is-the-expanding-u-s-military-presence-in-syria-legal/

    Another piece of intoxication in the bolded and red part. Refered to the Syrian gouvernment.

    .
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    Post  miketheterrible Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:35 am

    franco wrote:One of the Syrian reporters just twitted that some Mig-29SMT's have arrived at Khmemeim air base.

    Wael Al Hussaini‏ @WaelHussaini 2 hours ago

    Exclusive: #Russia deployed few numbers of Mig-29SMT in Khmemeim AB #Syria

    On another note it was reported earlier in the week that the sat image aircraft count at Khmemeim was back up to 33. That was without any 29's.

    http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/13107/russias-air-base-in-syria-is-now-filled-with-advanced-multi-role-fighters

    If true, then someone at MoD must be watching what we are writing. We should start our own Think Tank! Eehnie can be our "intoxicator detector" so he will know exactly who is intoxicating around the Russian government as well as Syrian.
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:51 am

    eehnie wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:An interesting, thoughtful article on the legality of the US's physical presence in Syria, originally argued on the basis that the Syrian Government was incapable of protecting the world from ISIS so needed external help. A fairly tenuous argument given their success to date but I suspect the Government are pretty happy to have the US supported Kurds fighting ISIS for as long as possible. A small excerpt

    As Major Patrick Walsh, associate professor in the International and Operational Law Department at the US Army’s Judge Advocate General’s Legal Center and School in Virginia, wrote that October:

    “The United States and others who are acting in collective defense of Iraq and Turkey are in a precarious position. The international community is calling on Russia to stop attacking rebel groups and start attacking ISIS. But if Russia does, and if the Assad government commits to preventing ISIS from attacking Syria’s neighbors and delivers on that commitment, then the unwilling or unable theory for intervention in Syria would no longer apply. Nations would be unable to legally intervene inside Syria against ISIS without the Assad government’s consent.”

    The UK’s leading security and defense analyst firm IHT Markit observed in an April 2017 report that during the time period in which ISIS suffered its most crippling defeats, Syrian allied forces fought the terror group two and a half times as often as U.S.-backed ones. With the Russian air force providing Syrian allied troops with game-changing air cover, the battle against ISIS and other terror groups began to turn decisively in Syria’s favor. And, with that, out went even the “theoretical” justification for U.S. military intervention in Syria.

    As ISIS and Al Qaeda are beaten back in Syria, the American conversation about what comes next is missing a most critical point. In terms of international law, Washington has gone rogue in Syria. Will the world take notice?


    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/is-the-expanding-u-s-military-presence-in-syria-legal/

    Another piece of intoxication in the bolded and red part. Refered to the Syrian gouvernment.

    .

    What is your point? Are you denying that the Kurds are supported by the US and a US proxy? Do you hate people who criticize kurds? It seems like you're not providing any real justification for calling others intoxicators when nothing anti-Iranian or pro-Israel of not is being claimed. It seems like you're complaining about nothing.
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    Post  eehnie Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:18 am

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:An interesting, thoughtful article on the legality of the US's physical presence in Syria, originally argued on the basis that the Syrian Government was incapable of protecting the world from ISIS so needed external help. A fairly tenuous argument given their success to date but I suspect the Government are pretty happy to have the US supported Kurds fighting ISIS for as long as possible. A small excerpt

    As Major Patrick Walsh, associate professor in the International and Operational Law Department at the US Army’s Judge Advocate General’s Legal Center and School in Virginia, wrote that October:

    “The United States and others who are acting in collective defense of Iraq and Turkey are in a precarious position. The international community is calling on Russia to stop attacking rebel groups and start attacking ISIS. But if Russia does, and if the Assad government commits to preventing ISIS from attacking Syria’s neighbors and delivers on that commitment, then the unwilling or unable theory for intervention in Syria would no longer apply. Nations would be unable to legally intervene inside Syria against ISIS without the Assad government’s consent.”

    The UK’s leading security and defense analyst firm IHT Markit observed in an April 2017 report that during the time period in which ISIS suffered its most crippling defeats, Syrian allied forces fought the terror group two and a half times as often as U.S.-backed ones. With the Russian air force providing Syrian allied troops with game-changing air cover, the battle against ISIS and other terror groups began to turn decisively in Syria’s favor. And, with that, out went even the “theoretical” justification for U.S. military intervention in Syria.

    As ISIS and Al Qaeda are beaten back in Syria, the American conversation about what comes next is missing a most critical point. In terms of international law, Washington has gone rogue in Syria. Will the world take notice?


    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/is-the-expanding-u-s-military-presence-in-syria-legal/

    Another piece of intoxication in the bolded and red part. Refered to the Syrian gouvernment.

    .

    What is your point? Are you denying that the Kurds are supported by the US and a US proxy? Do you hate people who criticize kurds? It seems like you're not providing any real justification  for calling others intoxicators when nothing anti-Iranian or pro-Israel of not is being claimed. It seems like you're complaining about nothing.

    The intoxicator said he suspects the gouvernment of Syria is "pretty happy" with the help of the US to the Kurds.

    Do you think the gouvernment of Syria is "pretty happy" with the 10(?) US bases in the North of Syria?

    This is clearly intoxication to justify the invasion of the US.
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:08 pm

    eehnie wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:An interesting, thoughtful article on the legality of the US's physical presence in Syria, originally argued on the basis that the Syrian Government was incapable of protecting the world from ISIS so needed external help. A fairly tenuous argument given their success to date but I suspect the Government are pretty happy to have the US supported Kurds fighting ISIS for as long as possible. A small excerpt

    As Major Patrick Walsh, associate professor in the International and Operational Law Department at the US Army’s Judge Advocate General’s Legal Center and School in Virginia, wrote that October:

    “The United States and others who are acting in collective defense of Iraq and Turkey are in a precarious position. The international community is calling on Russia to stop attacking rebel groups and start attacking ISIS. But if Russia does, and if the Assad government commits to preventing ISIS from attacking Syria’s neighbors and delivers on that commitment, then the unwilling or unable theory for intervention in Syria would no longer apply. Nations would be unable to legally intervene inside Syria against ISIS without the Assad government’s consent.”

    The UK’s leading security and defense analyst firm IHT Markit observed in an April 2017 report that during the time period in which ISIS suffered its most crippling defeats, Syrian allied forces fought the terror group two and a half times as often as U.S.-backed ones. With the Russian air force providing Syrian allied troops with game-changing air cover, the battle against ISIS and other terror groups began to turn decisively in Syria’s favor. And, with that, out went even the “theoretical” justification for U.S. military intervention in Syria.

    As ISIS and Al Qaeda are beaten back in Syria, the American conversation about what comes next is missing a most critical point. In terms of international law, Washington has gone rogue in Syria. Will the world take notice?


    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/is-the-expanding-u-s-military-presence-in-syria-legal/

    Another piece of intoxication in the bolded and red part. Refered to the Syrian gouvernment.

    .

    What is your point? Are you denying that the Kurds are supported by the US and a US proxy? Do you hate people who criticize kurds? It seems like you're not providing any real justification  for calling others intoxicators when nothing anti-Iranian or pro-Israel of not is being claimed. It seems like you're complaining about nothing.

    The intoxicator said he suspects the gouvernment of Syria is "pretty happy" with the help of the US to the Kurds.

    Do you think the gouvernment of Syria is "pretty happy" with the 10(?) US bases in the North of Syria?

    This is clearly intoxication to justify the invasion of the US.
    Its pretty happy in the context of making diplomatic resolutions with Kurds and not making them direct military enemies. Context man, context.
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    Post  medo Sat Aug 05, 2017 1:20 pm

    franco wrote:For all you techies out there. This was reported as a Mig-29smt in Syria to day  Suspect  There is only a quick view of rear but dunno

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH_2QW9iGBs&feature=youtu.be

    It's difficult to say as pilot is in blue dress and fly over clouds. Could be in Syria, could be in Russia. But if RuAF actually send MiG-29SMT in Syria and on video are ex-Algerian ones from kursk AB, which are getting replaced by Su-30SM, than they most probably are not stationed in Hmeimim AB. There are claims, that RuAF relocate some Su-25 CAS planes to T-4 AB and in that case RuAF could place MiG-29SMT in T-4 AB to protect Su-25 and to be closer to Euphrates river and Iraqi border for air patrols. With 4 AAMs, it still have 2 pylons free for bombload to strike on ISIL targets.
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    Post  eehnie Sat Aug 05, 2017 4:52 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:An interesting, thoughtful article on the legality of the US's physical presence in Syria, originally argued on the basis that the Syrian Government was incapable of protecting the world from ISIS so needed external help. A fairly tenuous argument given their success to date but I suspect the Government are pretty happy to have the US supported Kurds fighting ISIS for as long as possible. A small excerpt

    As Major Patrick Walsh, associate professor in the International and Operational Law Department at the US Army’s Judge Advocate General’s Legal Center and School in Virginia, wrote that October:

    “The United States and others who are acting in collective defense of Iraq and Turkey are in a precarious position. The international community is calling on Russia to stop attacking rebel groups and start attacking ISIS. But if Russia does, and if the Assad government commits to preventing ISIS from attacking Syria’s neighbors and delivers on that commitment, then the unwilling or unable theory for intervention in Syria would no longer apply. Nations would be unable to legally intervene inside Syria against ISIS without the Assad government’s consent.”

    The UK’s leading security and defense analyst firm IHT Markit observed in an April 2017 report that during the time period in which ISIS suffered its most crippling defeats, Syrian allied forces fought the terror group two and a half times as often as U.S.-backed ones. With the Russian air force providing Syrian allied troops with game-changing air cover, the battle against ISIS and other terror groups began to turn decisively in Syria’s favor. And, with that, out went even the “theoretical” justification for U.S. military intervention in Syria.

    As ISIS and Al Qaeda are beaten back in Syria, the American conversation about what comes next is missing a most critical point. In terms of international law, Washington has gone rogue in Syria. Will the world take notice?


    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/is-the-expanding-u-s-military-presence-in-syria-legal/

    Another piece of intoxication in the bolded and red part. Refered to the Syrian gouvernment.

    .

    What is your point? Are you denying that the Kurds are supported by the US and a US proxy? Do you hate people who criticize kurds? It seems like you're not providing any real justification  for calling others intoxicators when nothing anti-Iranian or pro-Israel of not is being claimed. It seems like you're complaining about nothing.

    The intoxicator said he suspects the gouvernment of Syria is "pretty happy" with the help of the US to the Kurds.

    Do you think the gouvernment of Syria is "pretty happy" with the 10(?) US bases in the North of Syria?

    This is clearly intoxication to justify the invasion of the US.
    Its pretty happy in the context of making diplomatic resolutions with Kurds and not making them direct military  enemies. Context man, context.

    The context is that the US has been always trying to provoke war between the Kurds and the Syrian gouvenrment. You need only to read the official Syrian statements about the US invasion of its territory.

    The US has not been an peace factor in Syria, it has been a war factor. Nothing the Syrian gouvernment can be happy about.
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    Post  calm Sat Aug 05, 2017 5:09 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    franco wrote:For all you techies out there. This was reported as a Mig-29smt in Syria to day  Suspect  There is only a quick view of rear but dunno

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH_2QW9iGBs&feature=youtu.be

    Could be SyAF, they use 29s

    RuAF
    A pair of Mig-29SMT?Seem to be Algeria rejects.
    Mig-29SMT in the video footage has centreline drop tank.Could've done a non-stop flight from Mozdok & back,in theory at least +it's got IFRP
    https://twitter.com/Russian_Defence/status/893583735966359553

    And this
    There isn't any MiG-29 in #Syria. Even the airplane in this video is a MiG-29SMT from Astrakhan not an ex-Algerian example.
    https://twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee/status/893602771034808320


    But acc to @WaelHussaini they are deployed in Syria(not those from video) He will publish photos, maybe.
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    Post  calm Sat Aug 05, 2017 5:16 pm

    Turkey send new equipment to ES forces.

    Or FSP(free syrian police lol1 )
    Бронетехника, предоставленная Турцией «свободной сирийской полиции»
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    Post  franco Sat Aug 05, 2017 5:20 pm

    And what is the difference between the ex Algerian rejects and those 29SMT's stationed at Astrakhan I wonder? dunno

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