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    Post  wilhelm on Wed Dec 10, 2014 3:12 pm

    medo wrote:

    It would be good to buy a license for Dokdos and modify them for Russian needs and build them in Russian shipyards. As Dokdo is smaller than Mistral, they could replace 1 Mistral with 2 Dokdo ships.

    Aren't the Mistral and Dokdo pretty much the same with regards to size and lift capability?
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Dec 11, 2014 10:53 am

    According to Wiki it can carry up to 700 naval infantry, 10 tanks, 7 IFVs, 10 trucks, and 2 hovercraft, plus 10 helos.

    Also according to Wiki the Mistral can carry up to 900 naval infantry, and about 50 armoured vehicles including tanks and also 16 helicopters, plus two landing ships (high speed cats).

    the Dokdo has an advantage of potentially being able to carry VSTOL aircraft, but as Russia has no VSTOL aircraft that advantage is moot.
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    Post  medo on Fri Dec 12, 2014 9:58 pm

    GarryB wrote:According to Wiki it can carry up to 700 naval infantry, 10 tanks, 7 IFVs, 10 trucks, and 2 hovercraft, plus 10 helos.

    Also according to Wiki the Mistral can carry up to 900 naval infantry, and about 50 armoured vehicles including tanks and also 16 helicopters, plus two landing ships (high speed cats).

    the Dokdo has an advantage of potentially being able to carry VSTOL aircraft, but as Russia has no VSTOL aircraft that advantage is moot.

    If needed, Russia could reactivate Yak-141 program and modernize it for today needs.
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    Post  Mike E on Fri Dec 12, 2014 10:34 pm

    VSTOL is a waste of time and compromises the aircraft, no exceptions.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 13, 2014 12:19 am

    Enormous waste of money and resources to create an inherently inferior aircraft.

    I would suggest a Ka-52N with active radar jammers, an AESA radar and DIRCM, plus a couple of R-77Ms and 9M100s would be a far more formidable air threat and more importantly would be rather better able to support an amphibious assault than a fighter jet.

    the Yak-141 would never be the combination it needs to be... an Su-25 and a PAK FA.

    With a fixed wing carrier however they could have both.
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    Post  George1 on Sat Dec 13, 2014 12:39 am

    medo wrote:
    GarryB wrote:According to Wiki it can carry up to 700 naval infantry, 10 tanks, 7 IFVs, 10 trucks, and 2 hovercraft, plus 10 helos.

    Also according to Wiki the Mistral can carry up to 900 naval infantry, and about 50 armoured vehicles including tanks and also 16 helicopters, plus two landing ships (high speed cats).

    the Dokdo has an advantage of potentially being able to carry VSTOL aircraft, but as Russia has no VSTOL aircraft that advantage is moot.

    If needed, Russia could reactivate Yak-141 program and modernize it for today needs.

    isnt it obsolete for this era?
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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Dec 13, 2014 12:45 am

    GarryB wrote:Enormous waste of money and resources to create an inherently inferior aircraft.

    I would suggest a Ka-52N with active radar jammers, an AESA radar and DIRCM, plus a couple of R-77Ms and 9M100s would be a far more formidable air threat and more importantly would be rather better able to support an amphibious assault than a fighter jet.

    the Yak-141 would never be the combination it needs to be... an Su-25 and a PAK FA.

    With a fixed wing carrier however they could have both.

    Well it already has radar jammers and AESA and DIRCM, at least the Ka-52K which should come this december should be already equipped with AESA radars and implementing R-77 shouldn't be hard if it already can launch R-73, Kh-25,Kh-35,Kh-31AD and Kh-38.
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    Post  medo on Sat Dec 13, 2014 10:01 am

    Russia doesn't need VTOL Yak-141. It was just a hypothetical answer on Dokdo VTOL aircraft capabilities. But with some modernizations VTOL Yak-141 could not be much worse than VTOL F-35. Placing new RWR, MAWS, LWR, jammers, DIRCM and chaff and flares launchers for self protection and Zhuk radar from MiG-29K and you get quite a decent fighter.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 13, 2014 11:55 am

    Russia doesn't need VTOL Yak-141. It was just a hypothetical answer on Dokdo VTOL aircraft capabilities. But with some modernizations VTOL Yak-141 could not be much worse than VTOL F-35. Placing new RWR, MAWS, LWR, jammers, DIRCM and chaff and flares launchers for self protection and Zhuk radar from MiG-29K and you get quite a decent fighter.

    Ahhh, I get it.

    To be honest all the problems and issues and time and money needed to revive the VSTOL fighter just make it a technology dead end for Russia.

    If they want fixed wing aircraft on light carriers then UCAVs make rather more sense... for a small vessel air power offers two advantages... extra reach and extra vision, but quite frankly an S-400 large missile with 400km range reaches out further and faster than most VSTOL aircraft ever could and the issue with lack of sensor vision can be dealt with using HALE UAVs operated from Russian territory or from a nearby full carrier... perhaps even an airship version that flies at very high altitude with long wave long range radar at 40,000m or higher would be a much more useful solution.
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    Post  George1 on Mon Dec 15, 2014 2:39 pm

    Future Russian Attack Submarines to Keep Double-Hull Design

    The double hull design will remain a traditional trend in the construction of Russian nuclear-powered attack submarines, according to Malakhit’s Deputy General Director Nikolai Novoselov.

    Russia’s Navy to be Fully Modernized by 2050, Get Next-Generation Warships
    MOSCOW, December 15 (Sputnik) – Russia’s next-generation nuclear-powered attack submarines will have a double-hull structure and a displacement of up to 12,000 tons, the Malakhit design bureau said Monday.

    “The displacement will be roughly similar to that of the Yasen-class subs – some 12,000 tons or even slightly less,” Malakhit’s deputy general director Nikolai Novoselov said in an interview with RIA Novosti.

    According to Novoselov, the double-hull design will remain a feature of Russian nuclear-powered attack submarines.

    “We believe it is better than the single-hull design,” he said, adding that his bureau had been developing the concept of fifth-generation attack subs on its own initiative as the Defense Ministry had not yet provided the company with the list of design specification demands.

    Novoselov said also that Russian next-generation nuclear-powered attack submarines will also be armed with torpedoes, missiles and underwater drones. The underwater drones will be able to detach from the submarine while switched off and power up on command. The submarine will be able to leave the area covertly, while the drone will simulate the submarine’s presence.

    Russia is now using the new, fourth generation Yasen-class nuclear multipurpose attack submarines. The Severodvinsk is in active service, while the second vessel, the Kazan, is now under construction.

    Russia is also using nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarines known as the Borei class. Two modern submarines – the Yury Dolgorukiy and the Alexander Nevskiy are in active service, the Vladimir Monomakh is to be delivered this month, while three other submarines are currently under construction.
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    Post  George1 on Tue Dec 16, 2014 2:58 am

    Malachite is developing a 5th generation nuclear submarine

    So yasen class SSN will be an interim solution. We will go to a bit lighter class
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    Post  Austin on Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:36 am

    Gazeta.ru states 2nd Nuke sub deal for Akula is already signed during Putin visit to India

    IS Gazeta semi-official new agency and is it reliable

    http://vpk.name/news/123351_vtoraya_atomnaya_nerpa_otpravitsya_v_indiyu.html
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    Post  George1 on Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:55 pm

    Austin wrote:Gazeta.ru states 2nd Nuke sub deal for Akula is already signed during Putin visit to India

    IS Gazeta semi-official new agency and is it reliable

    http://vpk.name/news/123351_vtoraya_atomnaya_nerpa_otpravitsya_v_indiyu.html

    i don't like that, Russia after all hasn't too many ssn
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    Post  Viktor on Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:43 pm

    Nice thumbsup

    Control Center Main Command of the Russian Navy opened in St. Petersburg
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    Post  George1 on Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:57 pm

    Russian Navy Frigate Ship Begins Passage Through Suez Canal: Ministry
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    Post  George1 on Thu Dec 25, 2014 5:49 pm

    Russian Navy in 2014 in 2 minutes and 13 seconds

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    Post  George1 on Thu Dec 25, 2014 8:31 pm

    Russian navy to modernize Vishnya class Karelia intelligence ship
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    Post  TheArmenian on Tue Dec 30, 2014 2:06 am

    Every new ship commissioned, Launched and laid out during 2014 in this video:

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    Post  George1 on Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:38 pm

    Russian Navy to Continue Anti-Piracy Mission off Coast of Somalia

    Currently, Russia's anti-piracy mission is performed by the squadron of Northern Fleet warships led by submarine chaser Severomorsk. Russian warships have been carrying out the mission to ensure the safety of navigation in the Horn of Africa and Gulf of Aden since 2008.

    MOSCOW, January 2 (Sputnik) — Warships and support vessels of Russian Navy will continue to perform tasks to prevent pirate attacks on civilian ships in the Gulf of Aden and the Horn of Africa, Navy commander-in-chief Adm. Viktor Chirkov said Friday.

    Currently, Russia's anti-piracy mission is performed by the squadron of Northern Fleet warships led by submarine chaser Severomorsk, which is expected to guide four convoys of various classes vessels through potentially hazardous areas.

    "It is expected that 4-5 campaigns of [Russia's] Northern and Pacific fleets warships will be organized during the year in areas of increased pirate activity off the African east coast. To support the activities of these squadrons, additional vessels (tankers, rescue vessels) of all [Russian] fleets will be involved," Chirkov said.

    The scheme of Russian warships actions in the Gulf of Aden will remain unchanged and will include the organization of the escort of civil ships convoys. The training for the inspection and anti-terror groups will be implemented at the permanent bases of the fleets, as well as at the Joint Training Center of the Navy in St. Petersburg.

    The struggle against pirates in the Gulf of Aden is conducted as part of the 2008 EU Naval mission Atalanta and the NATO operation Ocean Shield launched in 2009. The latter, in addition to the primary task of combating piracy, is also expected to help countries in the region to launch their own measures against the threat.

    Russian warships have been carrying out the mission to ensure the safety of navigation in the Horn of Africa and Gulf of Aden since 2008.
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    Post  Vann7 on Mon Jan 19, 2015 1:40 am

    a good video.. of Russian ballistic submarines  must see..
    no idea if what posted before.. but looks cool.. but in Russian all.  cry
    looks like they also speak about bulava and borei class subs..

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    Post  Austin on Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:20 am

    Interesting Write Up

    Russian naval shipbuilding plans: Rebuilding a blue water navy
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    Post  George1 on Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:53 am

    Austin wrote:Interesting Write Up

    Russian naval shipbuilding plans: Rebuilding a blue water navy

    "However, there is now a plan to develop a new multi-purpose nuclear submarine class, with the goal of building something cheaper and smaller than the Yasen class. This would be an attack submarine with decreased missile armament, comparable to the American Virginia class. The navy hopes to begin construction of these subs as early as 2016, with the goal of building a total of 16-18 of them, with at least 15 completed by 2035. These submarines would be armed with 16 (4×4) VLS, 4-6 torpedo tubes, updated Kalibr missiles and Tsirkon missiles (which will replace Oniks)."
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    Post  George1 on Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:03 am

    Neustrashimyy-class frigate looks in very bad status
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    Post  runaway on Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:40 am

    George1 wrote:Neustrashimyy-class frigate looks in very bad status

    Shit, almost a wreck!

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    Post  TR1 on Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:44 pm

    That is the state they get in when not painted regularly. Supremely easy to fix, and will happen during the last stage of its repairs.

    Is a bit weird that they let them get to that state though, the same happened to Neustrashimy before it was painted a new.
    Ustinov for example never looked that bad, and it has been in repairs since 2011.

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