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Project 949A: Oscar-II
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Smolensk @ Zvedochka, photo is current!
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12 years of waiting, "Irkutsk"
- K-132 Irkutsk is going for modernization
- 360 million $ (price)
- will be replaced (missile system, radio and sonar weaponary, navigation equipment, life support systems)
- K-132 Irkutsk is going for modernization
- 360 million $ (price)
- will be replaced (missile system, radio and sonar weaponary, navigation equipment, life support systems)
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How quiet is the Oscar compared to the Akula and the LA?
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which will be the new missile system?Viktor wrote:12 years of waiting, "Irkutsk"
- K-132 Irkutsk is going for modernization
- 360 million $ (price)
- will be replaced (missile system, radio and sonar weaponary, navigation equipment, life support systems)
TR1- Posts : 5435
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Onix! In greater numbers than Granit...I am curious when the domestic range numbers come out, we know it is greater than 300km, but by how much...George1 wrote:which will be the new missile system?Viktor wrote:12 years of waiting, "Irkutsk"
- K-132 Irkutsk is going for modernization
- 360 million $ (price)
- will be replaced (missile system, radio and sonar weaponary, navigation equipment, life support systems)
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Come to think of it, this might either make Zvezda or they will completely miss project dates.
Zvezdochka has been the one doing repairs on Anteiis, and I expected them to get the order for 2nd round of modernization.
Zvezda will very much benefit from the cash injection, but they have had all sorts of issues with much simpler state orders.
Zvezdochka has been the one doing repairs on Anteiis, and I expected them to get the order for 2nd round of modernization.
Zvezda will very much benefit from the cash injection, but they have had all sorts of issues with much simpler state orders.
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Αnd this will be applied in all Oscars?TR1 wrote:Onix! In greater numbers than Granit...I am curious when the domestic range numbers come out, we know it is greater than 300km, but by how much...George1 wrote:which will be the new missile system?Viktor wrote:12 years of waiting, "Irkutsk"
- K-132 Irkutsk is going for modernization
- 360 million $ (price)
- will be replaced (missile system, radio and sonar weaponary, navigation equipment, life support systems)
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Onyx in its domestic form is supposed to have a similar range to the missile it is replacing... ie Granit.
Granit has a range of 500km and I have seen estimates of onyx's range of between 500km and 700km depending on the flight profile and speed... remember the Onyx uses a ramjet, while Granit uses a turbojet. This means that both missiles can fly high but not at top speed for the first part of the flight to extend range and then accelerate on full throttle as they approach the target (and their fuel load is lighter).
Granit has a range of 500km and I have seen estimates of onyx's range of between 500km and 700km depending on the flight profile and speed... remember the Onyx uses a ramjet, while Granit uses a turbojet. This means that both missiles can fly high but not at top speed for the first part of the flight to extend range and then accelerate on full throttle as they approach the target (and their fuel load is lighter).
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Supposedly, but we will see....George1 wrote:Αnd this will be applied in all Oscars?TR1 wrote:Onix! In greater numbers than Granit...I am curious when the domestic range numbers come out, we know it is greater than 300km, but by how much...George1 wrote:which will be the new missile system?Viktor wrote:12 years of waiting, "Irkutsk"
- K-132 Irkutsk is going for modernization
- 360 million $ (price)
- will be replaced (missile system, radio and sonar weaponary, navigation equipment, life support systems)
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http://www.wrk.ru/forums/attachment.php?item=363886&download=2&type=.jpg
Baton in base
Baton in base
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Whats is the name of this Oscar class - where is this?
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Pacific Fleet - not sure what boat. Could be the Kransoyarsk, which is at pier waiting utilization.
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All in all, Russia will end up with 8 Oscar class and few more of the Oscar class are unfinished and might add to numbers even further.
Submarine "Smolensk" passes mooring trials at the "star"
Submarine "Smolensk" passes mooring trials at the "star"
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Belgorod will be completed, but not as a combat sub. We can forget about the other unfinished hulks, they are not Belgorod shape anyways.
I am curious how many boats the MOD ends up modernizing with new armament in the end. I suspect it won't be the entire fleet, but at least 5 boats.
With dual purpose 885s entering service (eventually) and modernized 971s getting Kalibr there won't be as much pressure to save the entire dedicated SSGN fleet.
At the end of the day the limiting factor will be finances as always, and they will have to do some juggling between what to modernize, more 971s or 949s. Entire fleets of both being modernized is pretty much impossible IMO.
I am curious how many boats the MOD ends up modernizing with new armament in the end. I suspect it won't be the entire fleet, but at least 5 boats.
With dual purpose 885s entering service (eventually) and modernized 971s getting Kalibr there won't be as much pressure to save the entire dedicated SSGN fleet.
At the end of the day the limiting factor will be finances as always, and they will have to do some juggling between what to modernize, more 971s or 949s. Entire fleets of both being modernized is pretty much impossible IMO.
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TR1 wrote:Belgorod will be completed, but not as a combat sub. We can forget about the other unfinished hulks, they are not Belgorod shape anyways.
I know but it would be interesting if Russia could get a similar contract with other two unfinished Oscar class like it had with India and Akula sub as they are powerful subs or perhaps
they may decide to finish the boats in case situation with Yassen class continues to drag on.
TR1 wrote:I am curious how many boats the MOD ends up modernizing with new armament in the end. I suspect it won't be the entire fleet, but at least 5 boats.
With dual purpose 885s entering service (eventually) and modernized 971s getting Kalibr there won't be as much pressure to save the entire dedicated SSGN fleet.
Im counting on 8 of them
by 2020 and latter who knows. TR1 wrote:At the end of the day the limiting factor will be finances as always, and they will have to do some juggling between what to modernize, more 971s or 949s. Entire fleets of both being modernized is pretty much impossible IMO.
700 bin $ is a lot of money. Economy will play its part but still Russian military has set very ambitious goals ahead of them.
Anyway: Another powerful unit will soon join in the Russian Navy
Rogozin: APL "Tomsk" returns to the fleet in April 2014
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K-410 "Smolensk" began factory trials
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Apparently this was repair and modernization (new missiles) this boat will get in 3.5 years. 
Works on submarines "Smolensk" (now waiting for Tomsk)
Works on submarines "Smolensk" (now waiting for Tomsk)
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Tomsk is in the Pacific, at Zvezda...which of course opens up questions on whether it will be done in time or miss it like always.
Zvezodochka will be working on the Orel after the Smolensk (Orel has already arrived @ the yard). This will be the yard's third 949A, Voronezh being the 1st; so I think their deadlines are pretty much solid at this point.
Zvezodochka will be working on the Orel after the Smolensk (Orel has already arrived @ the yard). This will be the yard's third 949A, Voronezh being the 1st; so I think their deadlines are pretty much solid at this point.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDxxreCYgrA
Nice high res vid by Zvezdochka.
The Smolensk is back baby!
Nice high res vid by Zvezdochka.
The Smolensk is back baby!
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TR1 wrote:Tomsk is in the Pacific, at Zvezda...which of course opens up questions on whether it will be done in time or miss it like always.
Zvezodochka will be working on the Orel after the Smolensk (Orel has already arrived @ the yard). This will be the yard's third 949A, Voronezh being the 1st; so I think their deadlines are pretty much solid at this point.
what about Irkutsk and Chelyabinsk??
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Wrong fleet 
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http://kuleshovoleg.livejournal.com/300790.html
Some rare photos of a 949A practicing rescue operations.
Some rare photos of a 949A practicing rescue operations.
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TR1 wrote:http://kuleshovoleg.livejournal.com/300790.html
Some rare photos of a 949A practicing rescue operations.
Look at the skin. I dont remember seeing such perfectly smooth skin on Russian subs
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It's the Smolensk, fresh from overhaul
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Perfectly smooth skin is not so important for hydrodynamics (moving through water).
In fact what the skin is made of is rather more important to a sub and in most cases a Russian or Soviet sub has a thick rubberised material on its surface designed to absorb noise to reduce its ability to reflect a sonar ping and to reduce radiated noise from inside the vessel.
In fact what the skin is made of is rather more important to a sub and in most cases a Russian or Soviet sub has a thick rubberised material on its surface designed to absorb noise to reduce its ability to reflect a sonar ping and to reduce radiated noise from inside the vessel.
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