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    Domestic production of marine engines for Russian Navy

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    Post  GarryB Fri May 14, 2021 6:43 am

    Russia should just pick few key people from Zoya mash in ukraine and hire them if they pay them more they will accept...ukraine is almost bankrupt anyway

    Anyone with talent there has likely already left... or twiddling their thumbs doing nothing.

    A few people from the Ukraine wont solve their problems with these systems, it is not a lack of a few good engineers that is the problem.

    China might get some more orders for diesel engines then.

    They want domestic products, so I doubt it.

    But why not just expand capacity at existing government facilities or develop new engines instead of getting this old company?

    As they mention there are not a lot of companies in the position to make decent modern engines, and this old company is one of the few that can.

    We can blame the private contractors all we want, but without large enough government batch orders, or low rate loans, it is hard to expect them to ramp up production rate.
    From their point of view investing in increasing capacity is a risky investment and this lawsuit only proves that.

    Blame is pointless. With no bulk orders there was never going to be large capacity production potential... with a future planned out for lots of military ships and also for lots of commercial ships as well then nationalisation of the company and mass expansion makes good sense....

    The government should have just switched to a different supplier for future ships without disturbing their existing production.

    If there were multiple suppliers then they would have ordered engines from all of them...

    This is supposed to be the engine in question. Why not just replace this with a gas turbine? It seems monstrously complicated.

    Efficiency and reliability spring to mind, and probably fuel burn rate too...


    An helicopter engine should have about the same power level.

    And Klimov have mastered production of an upgraded standard helicopter engine of improved performance for the Ka-50/52/32/31 and Mi-8/17/24/28 helicopters and have those in production right now...

    This seems like a pretty serious issue, they cant just shut down the only marine engine manufacturer in Russia, and why is Putin not intervening?

    They are not shutting them down, they are terminating an existing contract and asking for a refund for money paid for products they clearly didn't get.

    Both Kolomna and Zvezda are commercial companies and had difficulties ramping up production to suit the government's needs.

    Understandable.... going from very few, to everything needing engines is a significant change...

    Not having a lot of work on makes it unlikely they will have invested in expanding their production base for a massive increase in demand... perhaps the contracts should have taken that into account and included investment to massively increase hiring and production facilities and tooling as well as ordering materials needed for making the products...

    I still believe that Russia needs some central planning and organisation for diesel engines, for naval propulsion (medium speed, high speed and slow speed diesel), for automotive and possibly also for other applications.

    Or maybe they don't need low, medium, and high, and just need perhaps high, but to generate electricity for electric drive motors, where the diesels are started up and run to charge the batteries and run the electric motors rapidly, but shut down for most of the time with much smaller motors topping up the batteries... perhaps even solar panels...

    BTW is there any way russia could smuggle western diesel engines for the karakurt through india or china?

    No. Does not solve the problem. Better to spend some money and develop improved engines of domestic design... some sort of modern hybrid perhaps...

    New metals technology with temperature resistant Aluminium and other new alloys, they should be able to design new power generation sets, but honestly it is probably more useful to work on electric motor technology.

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    Post  mnztr Sat May 15, 2021 4:29 am

    Is the engine they produce the d500?or maybe the navy has decided the d500 is better?
    Aren't these engines much better?

    http://www.kolomnadiesel.com/en/catalog/diesels/section_detail.php?SECTION_ID=44
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Jun 10, 2021 4:06 pm


    Two top managers of Zvezda corporation from St Petersburg were arrested

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4327650.html

    Like I always said, boot up the ass maximum pressure no mercy

    Only way to fix things

    Also, guess what? They owned a Tesla. It seems that all Tesla owners are universally shitheads Cool

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    Post  mnztr Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:35 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Two top managers of Zvezda corporation from St Petersburg were arrested

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4327650.html

    Like I always said, boot up the ass maximum pressure no mercy

    Only way to fix things

    Also, guess what? They owned a Tesla. It seems that all Tesla owners are universally shitheads Cool

    Yeah it worked so well for decades in Russia lol. Those methods only work on ass lickers. You will never get the best with these methods. The best way is to motivate people, enable them and reward them for good performance.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Jun 12, 2021 12:11 am

    mnztr wrote:...Yeah it worked so well for decades in Russia lol. Those methods only work on ass lickers. You will never get the best with these methods. The best way is to motivate people, enable them and reward them for good performance.

    I will just quote hoom here about success of Amur shipyard with 20380 series:

    hoom wrote:Took some time, bit of threats, legal cases & (I believe?) some management arrests but yeah Amur is positively pumping them out now.

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    Post  ZoA Sun Jun 13, 2021 12:13 am

    mnztr wrote:

    Yeah it worked so well for decades in Russia lol. Those methods only work on ass lickers. You will never get the best with these methods. The best way is to motivate people, enable them and reward them for good performance.

    Those methods are not to get the best but to remove the worst, corrupted opportunist and foreign backed wreckers. Should have been done years ago.

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    Post  mnztr Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:03 am

    ZoA wrote:
    mnztr wrote:

    Yeah it worked so well for decades in Russia lol. Those methods only work on ass lickers. You will never get the best with these methods. The best way is to motivate people, enable them and reward them for good performance.

    Those methods are not to get the best but to remove the worst, corrupted opportunist and foreign backed wreckers. Should have been done years ago.

    For sure when the rot is deep there needs to be a house cleaning, and corruption needs to be dealt with. But you have to give people a reason to do their best and not just show up.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:38 pm

    mnztr wrote:...For sure when the rot is deep there needs to be a house cleaning, and corruption needs to be dealt with. But you have to give people a reason to do their best and not just show up.

    They already have one, it's called paycheck

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