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    Post  Austin Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:28 am

    Here is the full text of Interview from Rian , makes a good read

    Interview with Navy Chief Vice Admiral Viktor Chirkov
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    Post  GarryB Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:09 pm

    So most things are moving forward and they are upgrading port facilities to accomodate the new ships they are going to build and the new air independent propulsion system they are going to use in the new Lada-M subs has no moving parts so it is like a fuel cell/battery type electrochemical generator that can extract and use hydrogen from diesel to generate electricity underwater.

    This latter innovation is critical because hydrogen is a tricky material to handle as it is so light and can permeate through a wide range of materials it is difficult to handle.

    The advantage of extracting the hydrogen from diesel is that any port with the infrastructure to supply diesel to ships (which is most of them) can be used by these vessels. With a western hydrogen fuel cell you need special facilities to handle hydrogen in large quantities, which is expensive and hazardous.

    I wonder what the hydrogen extraction process does to the diesel, and whether it can still be used as a fuel, because the Lada-M class will of course have two propulsion systems and two fuels... the diesel engines to run on the surface with the diesel fuel, and the fuel cell technology that uses hydrogen extracted from the diesel that can be used to power the electric motors along with battery power. Both the latter would be silent as the fuel cell and the batteries would make no noise in operation.

    So in a year or two when the port facilities are completed and the new fuel cell technology is installed on the new Lada-M class subs it will be full steam ahead in building ships for the Russian Navy... I for one am looking forward to seeing a Mistral class carrier visiting us down here in NZ... Smile
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    Post  TR1 Sat Jul 28, 2012 5:49 pm

    http://balancer.ru/forum/punbb/attachment.php?item=291468&download=2

    Pacific.

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    Baltic.

    NAVY DAY!
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    Post  GarryB Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:35 pm

    Awesome Panoramas... thanks.
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    Post  Russian Patriot Sun Jul 29, 2012 5:40 am



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    Post  flamming_python Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:01 am

    HAPPY RUSSIAN NAVY DAY EVERY1!!!!!!!!11111
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    Post  GarryB Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:13 am

    HAPPY RUSSIAN NAVY DAY EVERY1!!!!!!!!11111

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    Great to see the Ukraine joining in the celebrations too....
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:34 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    HAPPY RUSSIAN NAVY DAY EVERY1!!!!!!!!11111

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    Great to see the Ukraine joining in the celebrations too....

    Well now that Russia & the Ukraine have modernised that ancient rust tube (the Zaporozhie submarine); at least Ukraine has something to float for the parades. Because the damage to its navy and armed forces in general has been nothing but absolutely criminal over the last 20 years; just absolutely criminal way above even what happened with the Russian military.
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    Post  Russian Patriot Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:32 am

    English video of all fleets : http://en.rian.ru/video/20120730/174862045.html
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    Post  George1 Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:49 pm

    Expert: Russia Lacks Long-Term Navy Development Program

    Delays in construction of new Russian warships are related to several mistakes made by Navy command and government, reports Vedomosti citing Valentin Pashin, academic adviser and deputy director of the Krylov Central Research Institute which is Russia's principal shipbuilding research organization.

    According to Pashin, Russia lacks a long-term navy shaping strategy and has too wide variety of classes and projects of ships to be constructed.

    Meanwhile, the US has a navy development program for the next 40 years which remains the same even if naval command changes. In Russia, there are numerous short-term programs exposed to influence of "opportunistic or human factors". "Each new naval boss has own views on ships in particular and the Navy in general, and that's fair enough", said the expert. As a result, number of types and classes of warships is huge.

    "Look what happens – four classes of corvettes, two projects of frigates, list of various boats is endless. As for me, that was a mistake to discontinue construction of Project 11356 frigates at Baltiysky Zavod after the first three ships were build for India. Technology and production process were mastered enough and we'd better keep on producing the series", Pashin said. Indeed, Project 11356 frigates are presently built for Russian Navy.

    Nevertheless, construction of Project 22350 frigates is also in progress which causes overspending of resources. As for Pashin, to puzzle out "the reasons of unmeasured variety of projects", one should conduct a thoughtful analysis, "otherwise we will build only lead ships". Besides, Russian Navy command wants technically sophisticated ships with large number of innovations which increases technical risks, costs, and so, extends production period.

    "However, world practice shows that new projects must not contain more than 30-40 percent innovations, the rest things must be well-mastered equipment", explained Pashin. According to him, construction of lead ships is financed as research and development works; that is very convenient for shipbuilders but unprofitable for the military. The point is that outcome of research and development works "cannot be predicted either from the viewpoint of deadlines, or price, or final result".

    Speaking of Lada-class non-nuclear submarines, Pashin said that the project was extremely protracted. Russia has all technologies needed to build such subs; however, at first, the delay was caused by technical reasons, and then – by human ones. In particular, there were certain mistakes in sourcing as some suppliers had not appropriate experience.

    "Moreover, all those talks that Russia has no technologies and we can't design are nothing but lies. I assure you, at least the Krylov institute does hold the world's top positions", added Pashin.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:28 pm

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    Post  Sujoy Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:52 am

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    RIMPAC: Moscow and Washington are forging a naval shield

    With the main part of the RIMPAC-2012 war games successfully completed, a detachment of ships of the Russian Navy Pacific Fleet has sailed into Pearl Harbor.

    RIMPAC – or Rim of the Pacific Exercise, which are war games taking place in Pacific region countries – are mainly focused on working out military actions and interaction between the naval forces of the allied countries of the US. It so happened that, for the most part, countries with obvious or hidden frictions with China were the ones invited to take part in the RIMPAC-2012, and some media even dubbed these exercises “anti-Chinese”. However, it is at the very least premature to talk about Russia “preparing to wage a war against China in the company of the United States”.

    Available information indicates that the fleets of Russia and the United States were working out interactions in the traditional “anti-piracy” vein: inspection groups and anti-terror units on “suspicious” and “captured by terrorists” ships, joint maneuvers, patrols, and reconnaissance operations. Nevertheless, elements of military actions were also included. For example, joint targeting of aerial objects. In the course of the exercises on repelling air attacks, aircraft of the Canadian Air Forces played the role of a conditional enemy. Of course, the aircraft were not fired at, not counting “conditional launches” of anti-aircraft missiles, but firing at air targets did occur. The Admiral Panteleev’s artillerymen successfully shot down a high-speed radio-controlled object launched from aboard the USS Gary.

    The United States and Russia are actively working out interactions of their armed forces, even more so considering the fact that the RIMPAC maneuvers – during which Russian ships act together with NATO craft – are not the only war games in 2012. There are other non-naval exercises on the war games’ list. It could be stated that today the intensity of joint actions is the highest it has ever been as far as the whole of post-Soviet history is concerned.

    The question is not at all new. What are the prospects of these joint actions of Russia and its recent potential enemies? War games come to mind, including the exchange of trainees, supervisors, and so on. It is obvious that Russia's accession to NATO is out of the question, and not just due to mutual political rhetoric. Such an accession would be equally disadvantageous to both parties.

    In order to integrate Russia into the Alliance, NATO will have to solve a lot of issues related to incorporating a giant war potential within the bloc, which is comparable only with the US potential. This process cannot but cause a painful reaction among the new members of the Alliance, which consider the organization to be a “shield against Russia”. For example, in case of Russia's integration into the North Atlantic Alliance and the foundation of some kind of an independent “NATO East-European Headquarters”, it is very likely that a situation might occur where some of the former Warsaw Treaty members will be forced to receive orders from Moscow.

    For Russia, membership in NATO would mean joining a bulky multiform organization with uncertain historical perspectives and significant internal factions, and in addition bearing a heavy burden of the Afghan conflict with doubtful consequences – and an actual prospect of a big war in the Middle East.

    In these circumstances, the unity of Moscow and Washington “under Brussels’ star” looks very unlikely. Yet it does not hamper joint exercises. Russia and the US have too many points of contact to let pre-election rhetoric or problems of the lower Alliance to ruin attempts at establishing normal relations. Time will show what forms these relations will assume.
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    Post  Shadåw Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:05 pm

    Russia’s Baltic Fleet to Hold Large-Scale Drills in Kaliningrad Exclave

    Russia’s Baltic Fleet battleships and combat aircraft will take part in large-scale tactical drills in the country’s westernmost exclave of Kaliningrad on August 8 to land marines in rough terrain, the press office of the Western Military District reported.

    The drills will be held at the Baltic Fleet’s Khmelyovka firing range ahead of the celebration of the Russian Air Force centennial on August 12 and will involve 500 servicemen, warships, support vessels, combat aircraft and gunships.

    During the drills, Su-27 multi-role fighter jets will provide air cover for the fleet’s battleships in the area of marine landing. Su-24 Fencer tactical bombers will simulate the delivery of air strikes on the ground targets of the potential enemy.

    The battleships involved in the military exercises will practice air defense operations in interaction with the fleet’s aviation.

    Helicopters of the fleet’s naval aviation will land combat engineers to make passages through minefields in the area of troops landing. The large amphibious assault ships Alexander Shabalin and Kaliningrad will engage in a combat, with the use of supporting fire, to land two assault companies.

    The fleet’s transport planes will also drop paratroopers in the rear of the potential enemy.

    During the drills, marines will practice the seizure of a sea shore and its defense.

    Source:Ria-Novsti
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    Post  Russian Patriot Wed Aug 15, 2012 8:46 pm

    A Russian joint naval flotilla has arrived in the Mediterranean after missing a planned visit to a Russian Black Sea port, a defense ministry source said on Monday.

    The group of Russian warships and support ships from Russia’s Northern, Baltic and Black Sea fleets was to have made a call in the port of Novorossiisk on Sunday.

    “At present, vessels from the group have sailed past the Italian coast and are now headed westward,” the source said without explaining why the route had been changed.

    The ships are currently performing combat training exercises in the central Mediterranean Sea, the source added.

    The task force comprises three large amphibious assault ships, two Neustrashimy class frigates, an Udaloy class destroyer and two support ships from Russia’s Northern, Baltic and Black Sea Fleets.

    Late last week, the joint naval task force conducted two-day tactical exercises with live-firing in the Mediterranean.


    http://www.en.ria.ru/mlitary_news/20120813/175188520.html
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    Post  TR1 Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:27 am

    http://www.armstass.su/?page=article&aid=109529&cid=25

    Stary Oskol has been laid down.
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    Post  TR1 Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:47 pm

    http://s44.radikal.ru/i104/1208/85/d698f458b280.jpg

    Nice photo, of VDV loading on Navy ships @ Novorosisk when 8-8-8 war broke out.

    http://s49.radikal.ru/i126/1208/97/972e9404a1af.jpg

    The Mirazh, look what happens to the missile tubes when the main battery is fired :O
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    Post  harsh Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:04 am

    russia should permanently base a task force in indian ocean.indian ocean is more stratgically important for russia.
    if russia dont be active in this region she will loose central asia to america.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:13 pm

    I think the reason the Indians like the Russians is despite the fact that Russia was a colonial power it never treated India like it was a colony.

    I really don't think it would benefit Russia to send ships to the Indian Ocean to keep Indias interest in its products.

    I really think what they need to do is to continue to develop economic ties and military joint ventures so both sides benefit from the relationship.

    Note I note that a lot of people are saying that the US is moving in on Russias territory, but the reality is that India has never been Russian exclusive anyway.

    The Indians are looking to US for high tech stuff to improve infrastructure and systems but there is plenty of scope for cooperation with Russia to continue in a range of areas... don't panic... India is allowed other sources of stuff and Russia needs to work to satisfy all its customers.
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    Post  harsh Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:49 am

    srilanka is better option and pakistan and iran is best if russia can do it.
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    Post  TR1 Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:43 am

    Pakistan sounds like a terrible and unfeasible idea.

    Indian and Russia should rotate ships to each other's bases regularly to maintain crew deployment proficiency.
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    Post  TR1 Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:49 am

    http://forums.airbase.ru/2012/08/t60022,37--podvodnye-lodki-proekta-877-i-636.2162.html

    Good recent photos of Novorosiisk under construction.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:13 am

    I agree with TR-1, Pakistan is not really an option as relations are not even neutral let alone friendly.

    India is a good choice, especially if, as TR-1 suggests it is a two way relationship... perhaps India might like some ships in Chinas backyard in Vladivostok just to send a message, or perhaps the Baltic so they can visit EU states more easily.

    I don't think the Crimea will be an option without Ukrainian approval.

    It would be useful for Russia to have a refuelling and replenishment base in India for anti piracy operations... I have heard there are issues in the islands of south east asia as well as around africa so India would be a good middle base to support operations in either area.
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    Post  Austin Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:39 pm

    Bid for naval dominance: Russia significantly boosts nuclear fleet

    Russia’s navy will be reinforced with 51 modern warships and 24 submarines, including eight fitted to carry nuclear missiles, by 2020. Over $140 billion will be spent on realizing the “potential of the sea-based nuclear force,” Vladimir Putin said.

    ­To maintain Russia’s place as a leading sea power Russia will allocate over 4.5 trillion rubles to build the vessels over the next eight years. Putin has emphasized that almost all orders will go to Russian industry, with all 24 submarines and 49 of the ships being built at domestic shipyards.

    "We have a sufficient potential of a sea-based nuclear force,” Putin said. “And by 2020, it will be considerably improved by eight Borei-class new-generation missile-carrying submarines."

    Russia’s navy has always been and remains one of the main tools of “protecting national economic interests,” Putin said, adding that it has a particular importance in such resource-rich regions as the Arctic. He expressed the hope that missile-equipped nuclear submarines will become the heart and cornerstone of the Russian Navy.

    The main development task for the navy would be the formation of “multi-purpose naval groups,” which should be capable of repelling military threats from the sea, safeguarding transport communications, protecting the merchant marine and effectively resisting piracy.

    Putin’s comments came after he oversaw the start of the construction of one of Russia’s latest generation Borei-class submarines.

    The president noted that it was symbolic that the latest submarine was called after the unifier and defender of Russian lands, Prince Vladimir.

    The Prince Vladimir submarine, which belongs to the fourth generation of nuclear strategic missile-carriers, will be built under the modernized Borei A project. It will carry 20 Bulava inter-continental ballistic missiles as compared to 16 carried by the submarines built during the earlier project.

    The first Borei-class sub, Yuri Dolgoruky, laid down in 1996, is currently completing its final tests, and will soon be handed over to the navy. Meanwhile, the Sevmash plant is building two other submarines, which were laid down in 2004 and 2006.
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    Post  Austin Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:41 pm

    So 24 submarine it is , 8 Borei , 8 Yasen and 8 Coventional subs ?

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