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    Post  kvs Fri Dec 08, 2023 3:53 pm

    lancelot wrote:Russia is building the BREST-300 4th generation lead cooled fast reactor.

    _nxkw5NW_MA

    The construction pace is vastly faster than for the BN-800 which was delayed for over 30 years.
    The video points out that only Russia has commercial fast neutron reactors. The other projects around the
    world (France, Japan, etc.) have all closed. Surely this must be because Russia is behind due to its
    innate inferiority.

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    Post  Arrow Fri Dec 08, 2023 4:31 pm

    Apparently China is still experimenting with some new generation reactors?
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    Post  Hole Fri Dec 08, 2023 5:23 pm

    Surely this must be because Russia is behind due to its innate inferiority.
    Russia can only do it because of german washing machines. lol1

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Dec 08, 2023 7:38 pm

    German washing machines are the best! Take Miele as a example!
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    Post  lancelot Fri Dec 08, 2023 7:44 pm

    Arrow wrote:The US does not have sufficient Uranium deposits?
    There is Uranium in the US they just don't mine it. But there are plenty of mines in Canada and Australia.

    The problem here isn't the mining of the uranium. It's that Russia has the largest and most modern uranium enrichment capacity in the world.
    You cannot run straight unenriched uranium in the nuclear reactors the US operates. And the US still operates the most nuclear power plants in the world.

    The US lacks its own native gas centrifuge operation for uranium enrichment. They have a test cascade at Piketon Ohio. But it lacks scale to be an actual production facility. The only actually operating at scale fuel enrichment facility in the US is operated by British-German-Dutch company Urenco. But it is not enough to meet US demand.

    The purchases from China suggest that the US is stockpiling fuel.

    In the long term Russia won't need the fuel sales to the West since they will be selling fuel to the reactors they are building abroad. It is the West that are screwed. Well Russia don't need those fuel sales to the West now either, their income is insignificant, it is just a way to keep Rosatom non sanctioned.

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    Post  Swgman_BK Fri Dec 08, 2023 8:08 pm

    There is Uranium in the US they just don't mine it. wrote:


    Its pitiful. It would guarantee self sufficiency for a short while..

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    Post  Arrow Fri Dec 08, 2023 8:10 pm

    And the US still operates the most nuclear power plants in the world. wrote:

    And Russia has fewer reactors than France. It is surprising that Russia, which is so developed in terms of nuclear energy, still has few nuclear power plants and, instead of building it at home, it builds most of it in other countries.

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    Post  Swgman_BK Fri Dec 08, 2023 8:40 pm

    And Russia has fewer reactors than France. It is surprising that Russia, which is so developed in terms of nuclear energy, still has few nuclear power plants and, instead of building it at home, it builds most of it in other countries. wrote:

    Russia's energy needs are met frankly.. No need to waste money building reactors that are gonna be off most of the time..

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    Post  GarryB Sat Dec 09, 2023 10:07 am

    Many of the reactors the Russians built are now in Ukraine, but that is OK. Now they have developed new powerful cleaner reactors that essentially generate their own fuel when used normally it makes sense to make more, but they have fossil fuels to burn... so why not.

    The floating and mini reactors will actually be rather useful for positioning in small settlements around mines or factories or ports in the far north or far east... cheaper than normal reactors and easier to move around as needed.

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    Post  lancelot Sat Dec 09, 2023 10:59 am

    Arrow wrote:And Russia has fewer reactors than France. It is surprising that Russia, which is so developed in terms of nuclear energy, still has few nuclear power plants and, instead of building it at home, it builds most of it in other countries.
    Unlike France, Russia has gargantuan amounts of clean natural gas, and also high quality thermal coal.

    But yeah they should build more nuclear reactors in Russia. Both to replace the older obsolete reactor types like the RBMK (at St. Petersburg, Smolensk, and Kursk), or the older VVERs like the ones at Kola peninsula, and to finish the construction of reactors that wasn't done in Soviet times. For example they should build a nuclear power plant in Tatarstan. I also think they should build a smaller nuclear power plant in Kaliningrad. While it can generate its own power with natural gas transported via LNG, this is vulnerable to a naval blockade.

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:25 am

    lancelot wrote:
    Unlike France, Russia has gargantuan amounts of clean natural gas, and also high quality thermal coal.

    ... and huge, close to 20% of the whole production, share of hydro generated energy.

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    Post  Swgman_BK Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:16 pm

    Also people should know Russia is building about 4 new Nuclear power stations in Russia and about 18 nuclear reactors globally. So I think Russia is good. And currently Russia is winning more bids. Kenya came up, Nigeria was also on the cards. Egypt is in the bag. Bangladesh is also loading up.. What other country am i forgetting? These are all the potential customers. I heard about India potentially getting another Rosatom reactor.

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:19 pm

    Turkey.
    And Hungary.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sat Dec 09, 2023 1:17 pm

    I am also curious to know what will happen with the Nuclear powerplants in Ukraine after the war. I believe that most of them have VVER-1000 reactors.

    For sure Russia will have to deal with Energodar (Zaporozhye) powerplant which is controlled by Russia even now and with most reactors in cold shutdown, and will also have to rebuild the related dam and hydroelectric plant.

    Nevertheless, in addition to the Energodar, there are 2 powerplants in north west Ukraine (Rivne and Khmelnitsky) and one in the northern part of Nikolaev Oblast.

    The Ukrainians (even last year) planned to have the americans build additional Westinghouse reactors (AP1000) in the Khmelnitsky nuclear plant (according to them, after they win the war Rolling Eyes

    https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Ukraine-planning-for-post-war-nuclear-power-plants

    Rivne powerplant (near the Bielorussian border )has also 2 older VVER-400 reactor in addition to 2 VVER-1000.

    For sure Russia will have to be cautious on what to do there after the SMO, as leaving those to an antirussian state could be dangerous.

    In comparison to  Russian SFSR, Ukrainian SSR had much more modern reactors and even now most of their electricity is coming from those.

    By the way, in the 1980s other VVER-1000 powerplants in Odessa and Kharkov were planned (even if Russia had much older powerplants and less in comparison to the size of the state).

    Probably all of the active powerplants in country 404 will need to be properly checked and see if the Ukrainian energoatom did some funny things with them (as even before Maidan they tried to use the wrong type of fuel provided by Westinghouse with them), also because often they  arbitrarily increased energy output and extended reactor lives without too many concern from safety.

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Dec 09, 2023 1:27 pm

    Ukraine can plan perfectly everything, but none of it is anyhow relevant dunno
    I guess it will end um with dismantling the reactors from all the NPPs left in the hands, because apes can't be left with anything nuclear.

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    Post  Swgman_BK Sat Dec 09, 2023 1:54 pm

    Turkey. And Hungary. wrote:

    No those are in the 18 I specified. I was just listing potential customers who have expressed interest in such projects with Rosatom..
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    Post  Swgman_BK Sat Dec 09, 2023 1:57 pm

    For sure Russia will have to deal with Energodar (Zaporozhe) powerplant which is controlled by Russia even now and with most reactors in cold shutdown, and will also have to rebuild the related dam and hydroelectric plant. wrote:

    That will not be Russia's problem. Russia's goals have been met..🤔 Rescue ethnic Russians from persecution in Ukraine AND weaken the Ukrainian government for a long while. If the conflict ends then it ends.. Russia withdraws and leaves the occupied territories..
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    Post  Swgman_BK Sat Dec 09, 2023 1:59 pm

    I guess it will end um with dismantling the reactors from all the NPPs left in the hands, because apes can't be left with anything nuclear. LIKE1DISLIKE wrote:

    I know Ukrainians arent the most likeable people in recent times but dont you think that is a bit derogatory? Apes?
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    Post  Swgman_BK Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:04 pm

    The Ukrainians (even last year) planned to have the americans build additional Westinghouse reactors (AP1000) in the Khmelnitsky nuclear plant (according to them, after they win the war wrote:

    Good news for Ukraine if America is paying. Westinghouse charges around $6 billion for a single 1000MWe reactor.. Russia on the other hand can sell you a single 1200MWe PWR for $2-3.5 billion.. And we know a typical medium yield Nuclear powerplant has about 2 or 4 of these 1000-1200Mwe reactors for 5 or 6Gwe. Ukraine does not have $25 billion to give to Westinghouse. For $25 bn you are getting 6-8 1200MWe (VVER-1200) reactors from Russia complete with the supply of the fuel and the cleaning up+storage of the spent fuel..
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    Post  ALAMO Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:05 pm

    You might be right. Calling existing Ukro political leadership apes is disgraceful to the apes.

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    Post  Swgman_BK Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:10 pm

    Good news for Ukraine if America is paying. Westinghouse charges around $6 billion for a single 1000MWe reactor.. Russia on the other hand can sell you a single 1200MWe PWR for $2-3.5 billion.. And we know a typical medium yield Nuclear powerplant has about 2 or 4 of these 1000-1200Mwe reactors for 5 or 6Gwe. Ukraine does not have $25 billion to give to Westinghouse. For $25 bn you are getting 6-8 1200MWe (VVER-1200) reactors from Russia complete with the supply of the fuel and the cleaning up+storage of the spent fuel.. wrote:

    Essentially Russia builds you a reactor with little to 0 interest over the years of your loan if you cant fund the construction straight away..🤔 And then she maintains it for you..Supplies your fuel for cheap and disposes of it somewhere outside of your country.. What a deal.. Westinghouse only builds but doesnt maintain. Most of the components in the reactor arent even theirs. At least Rosatom makes everything they build your reactor out of. Westinghouse WILL NOT offer payment plans. Westinghouse doesnt supply fuel either. Westinghouse doesnt care about what happens to the waste ether.

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:16 pm

    Swgman_BK wrote:

    Essentially Russia builds you a reactor with little to 0 interest over the years of your loan if you cant fund the construction straight away..🤔 And then she maintains it for you..Supplies your fuel for cheap and disposes of it somewhere outside of your country.. What a deal.. Westinghouse only builds but doesnt maintain. Most of the components in the reactor arent even theirs. At least Rosatom makes everything they build your reactor out of. Westinghouse WILL NOT offer payment plans. Westinghouse doesnt supply fuel either. Westinghouse doesnt care about what happens to the waste ether.

    There is more than that.
    Russia - first of all - creates a whole structure of high-class education and specialists, locally. Usually, deal with Rosatom is assisted by modern, top class nuclear science. Binding with Russia for nuclear energy means that you will get world's finest nuclear specialists & scientists, and the most advanced technological solutions, for a lesser cost, long-term financing, full support, fuel supplies, and recycling.
    There are only two causes of joining the US nuclear program. One is to get alternative solutions in your hands, to study it and exploit - which is the China case. Or being a vassal state set to subsidize falling apart and partially non existing Murican nuclear sector.

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    Post  Swgman_BK Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:52 pm

    Most of the world knows this. Nobody but brainwashed countries (Ukraine, Poland, South Korea) wants Westinghouse reactors. If not Russia, France is the next nuclear contractor..

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:42 pm

    Swgman_BK wrote:

    That will not be Russia's problem. Russia's goals have been met..🤔 Rescue ethnic Russians from persecution in Ukraine AND weaken the Ukrainian government for a long while. If the conflict ends then it ends.. Russia withdraws and leaves the occupied territories..

    Energodar is Russian territory according to Russian law.
    They will not leave it.
    The dam is also needed to ensure water goes into the Crimean water channel.

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    Post  lancelot Sat Dec 09, 2023 4:23 pm

    Swgman_BK wrote:No those are in the 18 I specified. I was just listing potential customers who have expressed interest in such projects with Rosatom..
    Russia has had talks to sell nuclear reactors to Vietnam, Indonesia, and Saudi Arabia. Turkey might also get another four reactors besides the current four.

    Vietnam was supposed to get some years ago but delayed their construction because of lack of cash back then. But back then I don't think Rosatom did the sorts of loans they can do now. And Vietnam's economy is much more robust than it used to be.

    It remains to be seen if there won't be issues with the current nuclear power plant builds that Russia is doing abroad. In Bangladesh they are going to have elections and the US is basically trying to remove the current government in power. And Russia is importing the steam turbines from France for the Turkish nuclear power plants, and from South Korea for the Egyptian ones. Why don't they just order them from Russian companies like Power Machines is beyond me.

    Swgman_BK wrote:Most of the world knows this. Nobody but brainwashed countries (Ukraine, Poland, South Korea) wants Westinghouse reactors. If not Russia, France is the next nuclear contractor..
    South Korea don't buy reactors from Westinghouse. They have their own reactor called APR-1400. They have built four in the Emirates as well. In addition they are trying to sell their reactors to Poland and other European countries.

    Most Western countries which make their own reactors started out by licensing a US reactor from either Westinghouse or GE. This includes France, South Korea, and Japan.

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