Ground Troops Air Defense (PVO)

I thought it might be that, but the new Coalition also has flat panels beside the gun too and they certainly are not for IFF use...

I'm not sure, what those antennas on Koalitsiya-SV are. Good question for someone from artillery.





But IFF antenna on Derivatsiya-PVO is the same as that on Sosna-R.

Why drive in PanzirM and TorM inactive through the area? Why are these units not active in driving even? Can this please tell me? Is not that possible? Does the radar do not work while driving?

Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:Why drive in PanzirM and TorM inactive through the area? Why are these units not active in driving even? Can this please tell me? Is not that possible? Does the radar do not work while driving?

Tor can be active while driving and also it can fire missiles. Why it is not done, i don't know. I'm not sure about Pantsir.

Driving with the radar going illuminates your location to enemy assets including potential HATO assets hundreds of kms away trying to find you.

With their radars off they can still receive radar information about the airspace around then via other platforms, and they can still detect targets optically without revealing their positions.

GarryB wrote:Driving with the radar going illuminates your location to enemy assets including potential HATO assets hundreds of kms away trying to find you.

With their radars off they can still receive radar information about the airspace around then via other platforms, and they can still detect targets optically without revealing their positions.

The S300 or S400 at 100km distance gives me no drone at 200m height which I can fight in the journey.

Should the NATO quietly search these systems. It is still better to have these systems active during the march.

Also, I see two or three TorM in colone. Why do not them protect the troop parts alone?

The BukM also drive through the area without TorM or PanzirM protection. I do not understand that.

What is the purpose of that? These are all three front Sam systems. Especially TorM1 / 2 always, no matter what happens, always will be full ready.

It's way too expensive and there are too few of them to drive inactive through the area. It should always protect the rear units in a 15km chain.

Such systems may never be left back. I really can not understand this task. A the tank or truck etc. That's ok but not at 25 million US dollars hightec what NATO is only so waiting to create the thing out of the country. Really, I do not understand anything anymore.

All the Buks I saw were older systems. Remember the Russian Army is supposed to replace Buk with Buk M3.

The S300 or S400 at 100km distance gives me no drone at 200m height which I can fight in the journey.

Very true, but airborne radar like A-50 should have a good view of the battlefield as well, plus optics often work better for detecting and tracking small drones anyway.

Should the NATO quietly search these systems. It is still better to have these systems active during the march.

There will be more than a single vehicle in each column and only one would need its radar operating to find targets and pass that target data on to the other air defence vehicles.

There will also be air defence vehicles working further back that can scan for targets and hand off target data to other platforms.

Also, I see two or three TorM in colone. Why do not them protect the troop parts alone?

These systems can hit targets 16km away, do you think they will all sit together in a nice group all with radar scanning?

The BukM also drive through the area without TorM or PanzirM protection. I do not understand that.

Who said they are on their own and not working with other platforms?

The Russian military does not seem to be deploying AWACS, EW, air superiority fighters or its air defense systems significantly.

And what do you expect these assets to be doing?

Launching S-400s from 400kgs distant to shoot down a hand sized drone approaching Russian forces?

That's the way it has to be. And the 24/7 full operation. Here it is done right. The first time where it can be seen in the operation.
https://t.me/milinfolive/77984

But their might be 4 TOR vehicles operating in that convoy... they don't all need their search radar going... the other video you see might be of the other vehicles getting search radar data from another vehicle in the column.

Not many people understand IADS it seems Garry

Nor do they comprehend how SACLOS missiles work , or the difference between search and tracking radars

Good example. At least 2 Tor-M2 systems in a convoy. One is using his surveillance radar.

Arkanghelsk wrote:Not many people understand IADS it seems Garry

Nor do they comprehend how SACLOS missiles work , or the difference between search and tracking radars

You haven't provided any explanation either about IADS or how SACLOS missiles work.