Syrian Civil War: News #10

KoTeMoRe wrote:I love you guys all doom ad gloom, have you watched where the beardies have attacked? So far it is on a maze of buildings. Very hard to move on, very hard to use as a supply line and very complicated to defend in depth.

They had more favourable circumstances in August, than now. Just keep calm let this pan out and then go all apeshit on the SAA.

We know they're not a professional force, that they cannot defend it in rapid reaction fashion. They suck up damage, then slowly regain ground. It's not going to be different than the last times.

No need for the usual shaming, i think the Syrian militias and forces know they suck.

JohninMK wrote:Speechless

Al Arabiya English ‏@AlArabiya_Eng Oct 27

#SaudiArabia ready to join #Raqqa operation: Assiri http://ara.tv/8twk3

KoTeMoRe wrote:I love you guys all doom ad gloom, have you watched where the beardies have attacked? So far it is on a maze of buildings. Very hard to move on, very hard to use as a supply line and very complicated to defend in depth.

They had more favourable circumstances in August, than now. Just keep calm let this pan out and then go all apeshit on the SAA.

We know they're not a professional force, that they cannot defend it in rapid reaction fashion. They suck up damage, then slowly regain ground. It's not going to be different than the last times.

No need for the usual shaming, i think the Syrian militias and forces know they suck.

PapaDragon wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Speechless

Al Arabiya English ‏@AlArabiya_Eng Oct 27

#SaudiArabia ready to join #Raqqa operation: Assiri http://ara.tv/8twk3

Aren't their dudes already there?

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Putin will not send in the Army in my opinion that is the correct choice. He hoped the SAA would be able to do more, I assume. In the end he gave them the tools and abilities and helped all he could, the failure and the soon to be loss of Raqqa is on the SAA. The last major win they will get is aleppo.

Raqqa is lost to Syria, that much is clear

KiloGolf wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Putin will not send in the Army in my opinion that is the correct choice. He hoped the SAA would be able to do more, I assume. In the end he gave them the tools and abilities and helped all he could, the failure and the soon to be loss of Raqqa is on the SAA. The last major win they will get is aleppo.

Raqqa is lost to Syria, that much is clear

There's a clear pattern since Russia completed one year in this mess. SAA hasn't evolved one bit and whatever progress they've made is solely on average Ivan's effort in the air and ground. Ergo better for them to cash their chips and pull a Crimea or Abkhazia in both Latakia and Tartous. Assad can enjoy himself in Damascus and Iran can start thinking on how they failed to achieve anything important in this mess.

SAA blunders in Raqqa/Tabqa offensive, losses in Morek/Hama, pushed back in Southeast Aleppo, failing hard in friendly areas of West Aleppo, Deir Ezzor pocket shrinking, Eastern Ghouta still not clear and so on.

Just some indicators of what's to come. I believe one year was enough to determine if "they're worth it" and clearly they are not.

Erk wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Speechless

Al Arabiya English ‏@AlArabiya_Eng Oct 27

#SaudiArabia ready to join #Raqqa operation: Assiri http://ara.tv/8twk3

So the Saudi's, the main suppliers of gear, money, and extremist mercenaries. for ISIS, are going to pretend to fight ISIS in Raqqa.

Either Russia will have to back down, or go full offensive, I don't see a middle ground unless they want to let Syria loose 1/3rd. of their territory to a coalition of people that want to kill Assad.

This isn't going to end well.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Putin will not send in the Army in my opinion that is the correct choice. He hoped the SAA would be able to do more, I assume. In the end he gave them the tools and abilities and helped all he could, the failure and the soon to be loss of Raqqa is on the SAA. The last major win they will get is aleppo.

Raqqa is lost to Syria, that much is clear

There's a clear pattern since Russia completed one year in this mess. SAA hasn't evolved one bit and whatever progress they've made is solely on average Ivan's effort in the air and ground. Ergo better for them to cash their chips and pull a Crimea or Abkhazia in both Latakia and Tartous. Assad can enjoy himself in Damascus and Iran can start thinking on how they failed to achieve anything important in this mess.

SAA blunders in Raqqa/Tabqa offensive, losses in Morek/Hama, pushed back in Southeast Aleppo, failing hard in friendly areas of West Aleppo, Deir Ezzor pocket shrinking, Eastern Ghouta still not clear and so on.

Just some indicators of what's to come. I believe one year was enough to determine if "they're worth it" and clearly they are not.

In all fairness to the SAA they are very very spread out and have to make due with little manpower compared to Iraq that said when I was doing training adviser work to Iraq's forces in the wars even they weren't that bad, yes the rebels the SAA faced are better armed and enjoy much tougher support to be fair also.

Failing to take aleppo after all this time tho? that's just shameful had the russians sent in their men all that green would have been red by now. The SAA has shown me they cannot fight unless they have ether Russian support or the Tiger forces are there.

I have seen the intel reports, but yes they aren't worth it. Assad was given his chance and he failed, Russia did what it could for him. Aside from direct means via their own army which will not happen.

Raqqa will fall into US control, if I was active I'd be ether assigned to it or attacking Mosul. Syria will lose half it's land that is guaranteed.

Vann7 wrote:

Erk wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Speechless

Al Arabiya English ‏@AlArabiya_Eng Oct 27

#SaudiArabia ready to join #Raqqa operation: Assiri http://ara.tv/8twk3

So the Saudi's, the main suppliers of gear, money, and extremist mercenaries. for ISIS, are going to pretend to fight ISIS in Raqqa.

Either Russia will have to back down, or go full offensive, I don't see a middle ground unless they want to let Syria loose 1/3rd. of their territory to a coalition of people that want to kill Assad.

This isn't going to end well.

There is nothing in RAqqa ,look on the map where is located. is too far from Syrian front lines..
Syria needs to take control of All Aleppo ,All homs ,all hama and All Damascus and all Latakia and
as bonus all DAraa in israel border. that is all the cities in the left border of Syria or with access to the sea. Once all those zones controlled.. or at least all Aleppo and most of IDLIB ,then terrorist will be all LOCKED inside Syria ,because Syria will control the supply lines of ISIS and Alqaeda from Turkey.. not good.  So any supplies will have to come from far distances , IRAQ border ,and from there be supplied from the eastern borders of Turkey..

Caputing RAqqa now for syrian army will be huge mistake ,when it doesn't control half of aleppo and lost all IDLIB. Since it will over extend the Syrian army positions.

As long Syria and Russia have the power to fully close the Syrian airspace ,they will always have the upper hand in pushing back any invasion. So RAQQA capture will be symbolical , NATO and Saudi Arabia already controls it ,through ISIS. And once Aleppo liberated and IDLIB Syrian army and all HAMA homs and Damascus.. then Syria can focus in taking RAQQA and with full support of Russia airforce. NATO will have to leave ,it will not be able to justify any fight against Syrian army demanding them to leave their nation. and once Russia start flying over their heads, they will leave knowing Russia can bomb them if they do not leave. So any "Capture" of Raqqa will be only for public relations purposes .and symbolical. Because NATO and Saudi  mercenaries ,ISIS already controls it. So NATO "Capturing" RAqqa will be a circus.. nothing will change other that NATO will have free propaganda to "proof" they are fighting ISIS.

Vann7 wrote:

Erk wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Speechless

Al Arabiya English ‏@AlArabiya_Eng Oct 27

#SaudiArabia ready to join #Raqqa operation: Assiri http://ara.tv/8twk3

So the Saudi's, the main suppliers of gear, money, and extremist mercenaries. for ISIS, are going to pretend to fight ISIS in Raqqa.

Either Russia will have to back down, or go full offensive, I don't see a middle ground unless they want to let Syria loose 1/3rd. of their territory to a coalition of people that want to kill Assad.

This isn't going to end well.

There is nothing in RAqqa ,look on the map where is located. is too far from Syrian front lines..
Syria needs to take control of All Aleppo ,All homs ,all hama and All Damascus and all Latakia and
as bonus all DAraa in israel border. that is all the cities in the left border of Syria or with access to the sea. Once all those zones controlled.. or at least all Aleppo and most of IDLIB ,then terrorist will be all LOCKED inside Syria ,because Syria will control the supply lines of ISIS and Alqaeda from Turkey.. not good.  So any supplies will have to come from far distances , IRAQ border ,and from there be supplied from the eastern borders of Turkey..

Caputing RAqqa now for syrian army will be huge mistake ,when it doesn't control half of aleppo and lost all IDLIB. Since it will over extend the Syrian army positions.

As long Syria and Russia have the power to fully close the Syrian airspace ,they will always have the upper hand in pushing back any invasion. So RAQQA capture will be symbolical , NATO and Saudi Arabia already controls it ,through ISIS. And once Aleppo liberated and IDLIB Syrian army and all HAMA homs and Damascus.. then Syria can focus in taking RAQQA and with full support of Russia airforce. NATO will have to leave ,it will not be able to justify any fight against Syrian army demanding them to leave their nation. and once Russia start flying over their heads, they will leave knowing Russia can bomb them if they do not leave. So any "Capture" of Raqqa will be only for public relations purposes .and symbolical. Because NATO and Saudi  mercenaries ,ISIS already controls it. So NATO "Capturing" RAqqa will be a circus.. nothing will change other that NATO will have free propaganda to "proof" they are fighting ISIS.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

Erk wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Speechless

Al Arabiya English ‏@AlArabiya_Eng Oct 27

#SaudiArabia ready to join #Raqqa operation: Assiri http://ara.tv/8twk3

So the Saudi's, the main suppliers of gear, money, and extremist mercenaries. for ISIS, are going to pretend to fight ISIS in Raqqa.

Either Russia will have to back down, or go full offensive, I don't see a middle ground unless they want to let Syria loose 1/3rd. of their territory to a coalition of people that want to kill Assad.

This isn't going to end well.

There is nothing in RAqqa ,look on the map where is located. is too far from Syrian front lines..
Syria needs to take control of All Aleppo ,All homs ,all hama and All Damascus and all Latakia and
as bonus all DAraa in israel border. that is all the cities in the left border of Syria or with access to the sea. Once all those zones controlled.. or at least all Aleppo and most of IDLIB ,then terrorist will be all LOCKED inside Syria ,because Syria will control the supply lines of ISIS and Alqaeda from Turkey.. not good.  So any supplies will have to come from far distances , IRAQ border ,and from there be supplied from the eastern borders of Turkey..

Caputing RAqqa now for syrian army will be huge mistake ,when it doesn't control half of aleppo and lost all IDLIB. Since it will over extend the Syrian army positions.

As long Syria and Russia have the power to fully close the Syrian airspace ,they will always have the upper hand in pushing back any invasion. So RAQQA capture will be symbolical , NATO and Saudi Arabia already controls it ,through ISIS. And once Aleppo liberated and IDLIB Syrian army and all HAMA homs and Damascus.. then Syria can focus in taking RAQQA and with full support of Russia airforce. NATO will have to leave ,it will not be able to justify any fight against Syrian army demanding them to leave their nation. and once Russia start flying over their heads, they will leave knowing Russia can bomb them if they do not leave. So any "Capture" of Raqqa will be only for public relations purposes .and symbolical. Because NATO and Saudi  mercenaries ,ISIS already controls it. So NATO "Capturing" RAqqa will be a circus.. nothing will change other that NATO will have free propaganda to "proof" they are fighting ISIS.

You clearly have never worked in NATO, I have let me tell you they don't give a dam about "justifying" anything. I was in Ukraine for example cannot say when or why however I know how NATO works. Your logic only applies in a world where NATO does not act like NATO, the US doesn't act like the US (I have done the dirty work so I know here).

Once they have their teeth in Raqqa they will not let it go period, once NATO has it's teeth in anything it will never let go. Again Syria has lost half it's land once ISIS is "finished" they will occupy it giving bogus reasons like "humanitarian".

If Assad dares attack anything that has a NATO unit in it guess what? you will hear those war drums and Russia will leave Assad to die at that point cause Putin will not pick a fight with NATO nor would any sane man do that. The SAA attacking a NATO force would be just what the US wants gives them the excuse to fully topple Assad.

Vann7 wrote:

There is nothing in RAqqa ,look on the map where is located. is too far from Syrian front lines..

storm333 wrote:

You clearly have never worked in NATO, I have let me tell you they don't give a dam about "justifying" anything. I was in Ukraine for example cannot say when or why however I know how NATO works. Your logic only applies in a world where NATO does not act like NATO, the US doesn't act like the US (I have done the dirty work so I know here).

Once they have their teeth in Raqqa they will not let it go period, once NATO has it's teeth in anything it will never let go. Again Syria has lost half it's land once ISIS is "finished" they will occupy it giving bogus reasons like "humanitarian".

If Assad dares attack anything that has a NATO unit in it guess what? you will hear those war drums and Russia will leave Assad to die at that point cause Putin will not pick a fight with NATO nor would any sane man do that. The SAA attacking a NATO force would be just what the US wants gives them the excuse to fully topple Assad.

Countless weeks of preparation has finally led to factions allied under the banner of 'Jabhat Fatah al-Sham' launching the much anticipated battle to break the siege on Eastern Aleppo. A force of approximately 6,500 men, backed by dozens of heavy armoured vehicles and mounted technical's, alongside at least 20 prepared VBIED's (Vehicle-Borne Improvised Explosive Device), commenced their assault on SAA (Syrian Arab Army) positions in and around the Western countryside of Aleppo

Rebel factions launched their multi axis assault in the early hours of Friday morning, following intense artillery attacks on fortified SAA positions across West Aleppo. These artillery strikes included the shelling of the strategic Nayrab airport in Aleppo using newly acquired Grad missiles. This attack mostly missed its target but did register at least 3 direct hits on the runway and surrounding buildings, temporarily putting the airport out of service. The would prove to be a dilemma for SAA forces as they already lacked much air cover due to weather reasons and Russia's decision to hold off airstrikes for several hours
. Clashing Hot Spots:

Minyan Sawmills
One of the areas targeted first was the Minyan Sawmills. The vicinity is located on the fringes of Western Aleppo districts, meaning its capture would place the rebels in pole position to assault West Aleppo. This was indeed their objective, as rebels assaulted the area with brutal force. A large VBIED attack occurred, achieving a direct hit and killing at least 6 SAA soldiers. This attack was soon followed by 'Inghimasi' (Rebel special forces) infantry storming the area and forcing SAA soldiers into retreat; subsequently seizing control over the vicinity. Unconfirmed reports of war spoils being taken, mostly ammunition.


Carton factory
Another site to fall victim to a devastating VBIED blast. Clashes around the area lasted several hours before SAA units in the vicinity were overwhelmed and forced to retreat, partially due to lack of air cover.
Al Assad Suburb



Zahra District
Another vocal point in the widespread assault. Rebels launched an attack on this axis but were completely repelled losing at least 9 men in the process

1070 Vicinity
Rebels attempted to route out the remaining SAA presence in the area. They launched a VBIED operation which failed. Clashes were fierce and long lasting however rebels weren't able to complete their objective and couldn't advance.

3000 Apartment
Reports circled online claiming rebels infiltrated the neighbourhood and captured several building blocks. We contacted sources who claim clashes remain on the districts outskirts and no notable rebel gains occurred inside the suburb. Clashes ongoing and expected to intensify.




Confirmed losses so far:

Rebels:
- 44 confirmed KIA
- 79 WIA
- 2 mounted technicals
- 2 premature detonations of VBIED's
- Tank

SAA:
- 29 confirmed KIA
- Over 65 WIA
- Kornet launcher/position
- Mounted Technical
- Ammunition and weaponry inc. Anti tank missiles and launcher, RPG's, grenades and mines.

(These are conservative numbers, real death toll may be higher then documented numbers)

auslander wrote:

storm333 wrote:

You clearly have never worked in NATO, I have let me tell you they don't give a dam about "justifying" anything. I was in Ukraine for example cannot say when or why however I know how NATO works. Your logic only applies in a world where NATO does not act like NATO, the US doesn't act like the US (I have done the dirty work so I know here).

Once they have their teeth in Raqqa they will not let it go period, once NATO has it's teeth in anything it will never let go. Again Syria has lost half it's land once ISIS is "finished" they will occupy it giving bogus reasons like "humanitarian".

If Assad dares attack anything that has a NATO unit in it guess what? you will hear those war drums and Russia will leave Assad to die at that point cause Putin will not pick a fight with NATO nor would any sane man do that. The SAA attacking a NATO force would be just what the US wants gives them the excuse to fully topple Assad.

Where US assets are embedded on the ground, the US has made it clear they will  be protected  from airstrikes  if the communication lines fail. There has been instances where Syrian and Russian aircraft has been interdicted by F-22 's.

SeigSoloyvov wrote: When and where were RuAF and/or SAF planes 'interdicted' by F-22's? What were the circumstances?

Seig, your nato is not omnipotent by any stretch of the imagination. You are not the only one here who has interacted with that entity. Any US boots on the ground, air assets or other hardware in Syria is in clear violation of both international and US law and opens up not only the senior officers and government officials who ordered US servicemen in to Syria but the soldiers who obeyed that illegal order to criminal prosecution. US, UK, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany et al were not invited to nor given permission to be in the Sovereign Country of Syria. Every single action taken there by these and other entities and servicemen in Syria without permission of the Government of Syria is a criminal act.