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Russia's 6th-generation fighters
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Video of Detonation Ramjet Engine
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Another project by Foundation for Advanced Study is liquid rocket engine demonstrator operating in continuous spin detonation mode
More details https://fpi.gov.ru/projects/fiziko-tekhnicheskie-issledovaniya/detonatsionnyy-dvigatel/
Video of the Engine Tested
More details https://fpi.gov.ru/projects/fiziko-tekhnicheskie-issledovaniya/detonatsionnyy-dvigatel/
Video of the Engine Tested
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Re: Russia's 6th-generation fighters
Austin wrote:Another project by Foundation for Advanced Study is liquid rocket engine demonstrator operating in continuous spin detonation mode
More details https://fpi.gov.ru/projects/fiziko-tekhnicheskie-issledovaniya/detonatsionnyy-dvigatel/
Video of the Engine Tested
cool, now we are Russian influence agents. BTW in my own country people neutral of what is more scary, friendly to Russia treated as spies by political police, democracy what can you say



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Re: Russia's 6th-generation fighters
The KLA talked about the work on the creation of the sixth generation fighter
KUBINKA (Moscow region), June 25 - RIA Novosti. Russian science and industry are working to create a backlog for sixth generation fighters, said the general director of the United Aircraft Building Corporation (UAC), Yuri Slyusar.
"Both we and science are working to create the necessary groundwork for the transition to the sixth generation," he said on the TV channel "Star" during the forum "Army-2019".
Slyusar added that the developments concern power plants and materials. According to him, a set of requirements for fighters of the sixth generation has not yet been formulated.
https://ria.ru/20190625/1555896855.html
KUBINKA (Moscow region), June 25 - RIA Novosti. Russian science and industry are working to create a backlog for sixth generation fighters, said the general director of the United Aircraft Building Corporation (UAC), Yuri Slyusar.
"Both we and science are working to create the necessary groundwork for the transition to the sixth generation," he said on the TV channel "Star" during the forum "Army-2019".
Slyusar added that the developments concern power plants and materials. According to him, a set of requirements for fighters of the sixth generation has not yet been formulated.
https://ria.ru/20190625/1555896855.html
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Prospects for the creation of a new generation aviation complex
In a special issue of the Krasnaya Zvezda newspaper dated July 29, 2019, an interesting article was published by the Deputy Director for Development of Sukhoi Design Bureau, Deputy Chief Designer Viktor Popik. The bmpd blog cites the text of this material.
Scientific and technical reserve for the future
In aviation, they say that there was a design situation for creating a promising next-generation complex, after the necessary scientific and technical groundwork (NTZ) was created for all the most important technologies.
Consider these areas starting with materials and technologies. Speaking about the fighter, or about the next generation aircraft in general, all world and domestic experts agree that one of the main features of the aviation complex of the future is the presence of the so-called smart design, which is a power composite or metal panel with integrated control systems. It will be equipped with appropriate sensors, which will allow in the process of flying online to measure the level of stresses of elements, calculate and predict their resource. In the event of a defeat by enemy weapons, according to the built-in control system, the affected area will be determined, and the aircraft’s onboard central computer will make the necessary changes to the aircraft’s control system to continue the flight. Thus, the combat survivability of the aircraft is seriously increased.
Regarding the internal power frame of the aircraft - its future lies in designs created according to the principle of bionic design using additive technologies and 3D printing. Designed using specialized software, the design of the aircraft resembles the skeleton of a living organism. Due to this design, it will be easier and more rigid, and thanks to the use of 3D printing, the products will become more technological.
The second direction of NTZ formation is non-traditional aerodynamic configurations. In particular, foreign specialists in their activities show interest in aircraft with gas-dynamic aircraft control systems.
Attractive layouts with adaptive mechanization, which allows you to "smoothly" change the contours of the aircraft for specific flight conditions while maintaining their smoothness. These technologies make it possible to obtain an aerodynamic design of an airplane with adaptive elements. It attracts designers from the point of view of the ability to provide a combination of high maneuverability of the aircraft with an extremely low level of radar visibility.
The third area of research is related to the improvement of on-board equipment. Here, first of all, it is worth noting the development of electronic systems.
In the framework of studies of the future airplane, the possibility of creating a radio-photon radar is most actively discussed in print. It also examines no less interesting prospects for the development of distributed radio systems, in which electronic sensors are distributed over all the edges and surfaces of the aircraft complex, providing a circular electronic view.
We are studying, in particular, the simultaneous integration in the airborne radar station (BRL) of the functions of today independent systems: radar, electronic intelligence, jamming, communications and navigation. This option is not accidental.
The 6th generation aircraft should be even more inconspicuous. If we talk about ways to achieve this goal, it is necessary to take into account that one of the significant contributions to the visibility of the aircraft is its antenna compartments. The more there are, the higher the radar visibility of the aircraft, in addition, the antennas of the connected radio stations are omnidirectional. When transmitting information on air, the aircraft unmasks itself. One way to solve the problem of ensuring low visibility in this case may be the transmission of information by a narrow beam. Abroad, one of the options is the use of a phased array antenna. In this case, distributed phased array antennas are required, including those operating in the rear hemisphere of an aircraft. Such an antenna array can simultaneously solve all the previously mentioned tasks.
Intellectualization of the aircraft
Currently, there is an active development of the complex of on-board equipment (BWC) of the aircraft, which gives very serious positive results. For example, the Su-35 is built on the basis of a modernized airframe and fourth-generation engine. However, in its combat characteristics, it significantly surpasses classmates due to its developed avionics.
Therefore, speaking of medium-term prospects for the development of the potential of the combat complex, three directions should be noted.
The first is the improvement and development of its computing systems. At this stage, each new system is several times, or even an order of magnitude superior to its predecessors in performance. With more powerful computing tools integrated into a single computer network, it is possible to program a large number of tasks and accelerate the transfer of information between all aircraft systems to solve the most complex and costly tasks using all available on-board computing tools.
If before each system had its own calculator, which solved a certain range of tasks, now the designers have come to the stage when there will be a unified computer network on board. It will begin to independently distribute its resources to solve problems, depending on their priority and the workload of aircraft systems.
The next direction is the intellectual support of the crew. Su-57 already has such a powerful system, which can be called a full-fledged second "electronic pilot." It suggests options for battle tactics, automatically distributes targets, calculates various scenarios and gives recommendations for improving the effectiveness of actions.
Further development of such systems will lead to the possibility of creating an intelligent board that can effectively operate and even fight in an automatic mode without human intervention.
The third important direction is the creation of network-centric weapons systems, when the aircraft becomes one of the elements of a single network on the battlefield and exchanges information with all its participants in real time.
The solution to all these problems realigns the design bureau.
Since the beginning of this century, Sukhoi Design Bureau has been actively working on the integration of on-board equipment and the development of on-board software. Today, there are 50 percent more specialists in units dealing with issues related to on-board equipment than in traditional aircraft departments that solve the problems of creating a glider, a power plant and general aircraft systems.
It should be noted that even now at the 5th and subsequent generation air carriers, when creating a unified aircraft network, the emphasis is on the domestic element base, in particular on Elbrus processors.
Promising next-generation aviation systems will have to unite a whole group of new promising technologies, which should bring it to a qualitatively new technological level, significantly surpassing today's military aircraft systems.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3760814.html
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MiG and Sukhoi jointly develop a sixth generation fighter
MOSCOW, July 16 - RIA Novosti. The MiG and Sukhoi companies will develop the sixth generation combat aviation complex together, Ilya Tarasenko, director general of MiG and Sukhoi, said in an interview with RIA Novosti .
“Our competitors are American and European aircraft manufacturers. And to maintain strong leadership in the industry, we need to consolidate the best competencies that exist today in MiG and Sukhoi and create new sixth generation aircraft. Combining capabilities within common tasks and common goals is a tremendous opportunity to make a major breakthrough. Foreign companies no longer have such opportunities, "Tarasenko said.
Answering the question whether the sixth generation aircraft will be a joint development of MiG and Sukhoi, the agency's interlocutor answered in the affirmative. "Yes, it will be the development of the UAC military aviation division ," he explained.
Currently in Russia, mass production of fifth-generation Su-57 fighters has begun . The first aircraft should go to the Russian Aerospace Forces this year.
Ilya Tarasenko was appointed to the post of CEO of Sukhoi in February this year by decision of the board of directors. Thus, he combines three positions - in addition to Sukhoi, Tarasenko leads the MiG corporation, and is also responsible for marketing and military-technical cooperation at the United Aircraft Corporation.
https://ria.ru/20200716/1574435841.html
MOSCOW, July 16 - RIA Novosti. The MiG and Sukhoi companies will develop the sixth generation combat aviation complex together, Ilya Tarasenko, director general of MiG and Sukhoi, said in an interview with RIA Novosti .
“Our competitors are American and European aircraft manufacturers. And to maintain strong leadership in the industry, we need to consolidate the best competencies that exist today in MiG and Sukhoi and create new sixth generation aircraft. Combining capabilities within common tasks and common goals is a tremendous opportunity to make a major breakthrough. Foreign companies no longer have such opportunities, "Tarasenko said.
Answering the question whether the sixth generation aircraft will be a joint development of MiG and Sukhoi, the agency's interlocutor answered in the affirmative. "Yes, it will be the development of the UAC military aviation division ," he explained.
Currently in Russia, mass production of fifth-generation Su-57 fighters has begun . The first aircraft should go to the Russian Aerospace Forces this year.
Ilya Tarasenko was appointed to the post of CEO of Sukhoi in February this year by decision of the board of directors. Thus, he combines three positions - in addition to Sukhoi, Tarasenko leads the MiG corporation, and is also responsible for marketing and military-technical cooperation at the United Aircraft Corporation.
https://ria.ru/20200716/1574435841.html
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The UAC military aviation division would also include Yakovlev as well...
It is good to hear they are prepared to use cooperation as well as competition... if done right can save a lot of wasted time and effort...
It is good to hear they are prepared to use cooperation as well as competition... if done right can save a lot of wasted time and effort...
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GarryB wrote:The UAC military aviation division would also include Yakovlev as well...
It is good to hear they are prepared to use cooperation as well as competition... if done right can save a lot of wasted time and effort...
Also Ilushin, Tupolev and Irkut, but you are talking about the fighters developers right?
What I think is important is to "break" the relationship between the design and the factory.
It will free the Russian air force procurement plan from the need to load some factory's. They should be more flexible.
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During Soviet times design bureaus were given certain tasks but equally sometimes given tasks outside their area of speciality... a good example was Lavochkin, which ended up in making space and long range weapons.
Factories should not be tied to design bureaus per say, but having their factories meant better relationships with the design bureaus like there are with engine companies and radar and other avionics specialists...
Factories should not be tied to design bureaus per say, but having their factories meant better relationships with the design bureaus like there are with engine companies and radar and other avionics specialists...
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The development of a sixth generation fighter and a promising helicopter can be included in the new state armament program for 2024-2033
https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=543327&lang=RU
https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=543327&lang=RU
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Will we build the MiG-41
26 November
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In the fall of 2017, the first vague rumors appeared that Russia had begun to create a sixth-generation fighter that would replace the morally “tired” veteran - the MiG-31.
It is almost impossible to find reliable data on the new project, however, the information vacuum is slowly filling, and the contours of the super-machine are becoming more and more distinct, and the project is more and more real. The MiG-41 is not just a fighter, but an interceptor fighter. Its main purpose will be to destroy enemy bombers and cruise missiles. Typically, vehicles of this class are equipped with guided missiles with radar and infrared targeting systems, as well as rapid-fire aircraft cannons. To date, it is known about five generations of fighters, each of which has its own set of technical parameters. The latest generation (fifth) is represented by the North American F-35C, the Russian Su-57 (the entry of which has already begun in combat units),
In turn, the MiG-41 is already a representative of the sixth generation of fighters, which, naturally, will have even more advanced technical parameters. It is possible that the new machine will become not just an improved version of the MiG-31, but a radically new model, which, according to the words of the general director of the MiG corporation I. Tarasenko, will be able to work effectively both in space and in the skies over the Arctic. 41, in addition to the above-mentioned bombers, missiles and reconnaissance aircraft, will also hunt space objects, for example, enemy satellites hovering in low orbits.
The fighter will replace the MiG-31 interceptor, the creation of which dates back to the 1970s. Frisky "veteran" can reach speeds of up to three thousand kilometers per hour, and the radius of its effective action exceeds 700 kilometers. The characteristics, no doubt, are impressive, but the MiG-41, apparently, is ready to surpass its glorious predecessor.
The projected machine, according to test pilot A. Kvochur, will be able to move at a speed of about Mach 4.3, and this, for a minute, is over five thousand kilometers per hour. These capabilities will make the new Russian aircraft the fastest in the world. It is planned that the combat radius of the MiG-41 project will be at least 1,300 kilometers. By the way, most likely the new fighter will be equipped with a dagger-type hypersonic missile system, which was presented to the general public as part of Vladimir Putin's message to the Federal Assembly in the spring of 2008, and is already entering the troops by now. The next function of the MiG-41 is its remote control capability. It is expected that the project will be divided into two areas: UAVs and manned aircraft. Moreover, the vehicle will necessarily be armed with stealth technology, which significantly reduces the visibility for air defense systems, thereby increasing its survivability in combat conditions. Western experts, meanwhile, have doubts that the new Russian plane will be able to strike from space. They argue that the MiG-41 will have to maneuver equally well in the low atmosphere as well as in space with its highly discharged air, a multitasking that is unlikely to be tough even for the most advanced technology. Nevertheless, even if such a possibility is admitted, Western experts are sure that the project is too expensive for our country. For example, the latest-generation F-35 North American fighter jet is priced at $ 85 million per unit. It is doubtful that the new sixth generation aircraft will cost less. In turn, Russian military experts unanimously declare that Russia, due to its length, is in dire need of an innovative fighter, nevertheless, today this project looks more like something unrealistic. If you believe their forecasts, the arrival of a new machine into service should be expected no earlier than 2040.
Needless to say, it is unlikely that Russia has the indicated 20 years in reserve to create a new aircraft? The shelf life of the "old" MiG-31 comes to an end in 8 years, in 2028. By this time, he should already have a full-fledged successor. On the other hand, the same Western experts just a few years ago laughed at "Putin's cartoons" about new types of weapons, such as the "Poseidon" nuclear-powered submarine armed with nuclear weapons. , a nuclear-powered cruise missile with nuclear weapons and an air-launched ballistic missile, "believing that
things will not go beyond pictures and Russia will not create any of this. And the recently roused US has already in all seriousness demanded the inclusion of these types of weapons in the renewed START-3 treaty. So, it wasn’t limited to pictures? .. So maybe.
https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5c92481398d9ab00b3146d45/sozdadim-li-my-mig41-5fbe8851d81aaf181b483d96
26 November
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3 min.
In the fall of 2017, the first vague rumors appeared that Russia had begun to create a sixth-generation fighter that would replace the morally “tired” veteran - the MiG-31.
It is almost impossible to find reliable data on the new project, however, the information vacuum is slowly filling, and the contours of the super-machine are becoming more and more distinct, and the project is more and more real. The MiG-41 is not just a fighter, but an interceptor fighter. Its main purpose will be to destroy enemy bombers and cruise missiles. Typically, vehicles of this class are equipped with guided missiles with radar and infrared targeting systems, as well as rapid-fire aircraft cannons. To date, it is known about five generations of fighters, each of which has its own set of technical parameters. The latest generation (fifth) is represented by the North American F-35C, the Russian Su-57 (the entry of which has already begun in combat units),
In turn, the MiG-41 is already a representative of the sixth generation of fighters, which, naturally, will have even more advanced technical parameters. It is possible that the new machine will become not just an improved version of the MiG-31, but a radically new model, which, according to the words of the general director of the MiG corporation I. Tarasenko, will be able to work effectively both in space and in the skies over the Arctic. 41, in addition to the above-mentioned bombers, missiles and reconnaissance aircraft, will also hunt space objects, for example, enemy satellites hovering in low orbits.
The fighter will replace the MiG-31 interceptor, the creation of which dates back to the 1970s. Frisky "veteran" can reach speeds of up to three thousand kilometers per hour, and the radius of its effective action exceeds 700 kilometers. The characteristics, no doubt, are impressive, but the MiG-41, apparently, is ready to surpass its glorious predecessor.
The projected machine, according to test pilot A. Kvochur, will be able to move at a speed of about Mach 4.3, and this, for a minute, is over five thousand kilometers per hour. These capabilities will make the new Russian aircraft the fastest in the world. It is planned that the combat radius of the MiG-41 project will be at least 1,300 kilometers. By the way, most likely the new fighter will be equipped with a dagger-type hypersonic missile system, which was presented to the general public as part of Vladimir Putin's message to the Federal Assembly in the spring of 2008, and is already entering the troops by now. The next function of the MiG-41 is its remote control capability. It is expected that the project will be divided into two areas: UAVs and manned aircraft. Moreover, the vehicle will necessarily be armed with stealth technology, which significantly reduces the visibility for air defense systems, thereby increasing its survivability in combat conditions. Western experts, meanwhile, have doubts that the new Russian plane will be able to strike from space. They argue that the MiG-41 will have to maneuver equally well in the low atmosphere as well as in space with its highly discharged air, a multitasking that is unlikely to be tough even for the most advanced technology. Nevertheless, even if such a possibility is admitted, Western experts are sure that the project is too expensive for our country. For example, the latest-generation F-35 North American fighter jet is priced at $ 85 million per unit. It is doubtful that the new sixth generation aircraft will cost less. In turn, Russian military experts unanimously declare that Russia, due to its length, is in dire need of an innovative fighter, nevertheless, today this project looks more like something unrealistic. If you believe their forecasts, the arrival of a new machine into service should be expected no earlier than 2040.
Needless to say, it is unlikely that Russia has the indicated 20 years in reserve to create a new aircraft? The shelf life of the "old" MiG-31 comes to an end in 8 years, in 2028. By this time, he should already have a full-fledged successor. On the other hand, the same Western experts just a few years ago laughed at "Putin's cartoons" about new types of weapons, such as the "Poseidon" nuclear-powered submarine armed with nuclear weapons. , a nuclear-powered cruise missile with nuclear weapons and an air-launched ballistic missile, "believing that
things will not go beyond pictures and Russia will not create any of this. And the recently roused US has already in all seriousness demanded the inclusion of these types of weapons in the renewed START-3 treaty. So, it wasn’t limited to pictures? .. So maybe.
https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5c92481398d9ab00b3146d45/sozdadim-li-my-mig41-5fbe8851d81aaf181b483d96
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Deputy Prime Minister of Russia told the first details about the development of the Russian sixth generation fighter - it will be built in 5-7 years:
The first details of the development of the Russian sixth generation fighter have been announced.
Deputy Prime Minister of Russia Yuri Borisov told in an interview to the Russian news agency "RBK" the first details about the work carried out by Russian developers to create the latest domestic sixth generation fighter. According to Borisov, the newest fighter will have little resemblance to those ideas about combat aircraft with wings, but will be an innovative complex.
According to Yuri Borisov, when developing a new fighter, the course will be taken towards the use of unmanned technologies, which, by the way, is a key point that allows the combat aircraft to be classified as a new generation.
“Most likely, we will move more towards unmanned technologies. At least at some stage the work of manned and unmanned vehicles will be combined , ”Borisov said.
The Deputy Prime Minister of Russia stressed that at the moment research work in this direction is already underway and the Russian defense department is extremely interested in them.
“Research and development work is being carried out by order of the Ministry of Defense. Various options are being considered and evaluated at the level of engineering notes. Future performance is calculated. Then a lot of money is spent on this. You have to understand from the very beginning what will happen in the end , ”the Deputy Prime Minister stressed.
As for the timing of the creation of the Russian sixth generation fighter, according to Borisov, this may take from five to seven years, however, before this period all the necessary research and development work must be completed, which indicates that the Russian promising sixth generation aviation complex will not appear in any way not earlier than 2030.
https://avia.pro/news/vice-premer-rossii-rasskazal-pervye-podrobnosti-o-razrabotke-rossiyskogo-istrebitelya-shestogo?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com
The first details of the development of the Russian sixth generation fighter have been announced.
Deputy Prime Minister of Russia Yuri Borisov told in an interview to the Russian news agency "RBK" the first details about the work carried out by Russian developers to create the latest domestic sixth generation fighter. According to Borisov, the newest fighter will have little resemblance to those ideas about combat aircraft with wings, but will be an innovative complex.
According to Yuri Borisov, when developing a new fighter, the course will be taken towards the use of unmanned technologies, which, by the way, is a key point that allows the combat aircraft to be classified as a new generation.
“Most likely, we will move more towards unmanned technologies. At least at some stage the work of manned and unmanned vehicles will be combined , ”Borisov said.
The Deputy Prime Minister of Russia stressed that at the moment research work in this direction is already underway and the Russian defense department is extremely interested in them.
“Research and development work is being carried out by order of the Ministry of Defense. Various options are being considered and evaluated at the level of engineering notes. Future performance is calculated. Then a lot of money is spent on this. You have to understand from the very beginning what will happen in the end , ”the Deputy Prime Minister stressed.
As for the timing of the creation of the Russian sixth generation fighter, according to Borisov, this may take from five to seven years, however, before this period all the necessary research and development work must be completed, which indicates that the Russian promising sixth generation aviation complex will not appear in any way not earlier than 2030.
https://avia.pro/news/vice-premer-rossii-rasskazal-pervye-podrobnosti-o-razrabotke-rossiyskogo-istrebitelya-shestogo?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com
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Re: Russia's 6th-generation fighters
depressing that MIG and Sukhoi are working on a Suig. AS I feared the uniqueness of the two bureau will be blended. It will become another LocMart of NOrgrum.
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