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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #24

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Apr 11, 2016 6:28 pm

    I wonder how much of the stuff in the video is still out there 20 months later.
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    Post  Guest Mon Apr 11, 2016 6:34 pm

    JohninMK wrote:I wonder how much of the stuff in the video is still out there 20 months later.

    Majority of it most likely. Its not that easy to remove tank wrecks.
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    Post  HeNeArKrXeRn_ Mon Apr 11, 2016 9:58 pm

    Rumour found on Reddit, take it with a grain of salt, but it would not surprise me if it were true:

    About Yatsenuk:
    reddit wrote:He is secretly building a house just outside of Toronto, Canada. We shall be expecting him soon

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Apr 11, 2016 10:25 pm


    Petro Offshoreshenko... I almost peed myself... lol1 lol1 lol1

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    Post  SturmGuard Tue Apr 12, 2016 1:06 am

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    Ha! Armata so inferior! So weak name!

    Naturally, I put this as a comedy relief, otherwise it would be posted in the equipment thread.
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    Post  higurashihougi Tue Apr 12, 2016 10:39 am

    By the time Ukraina churns out the first Tiresk - if she luckily manages to do so - Russia will already have several batches of completely unmanned main battle tanks.

    After all, Maidan goverment is in a state of ultimate bankuptcy and such situation demands novel method of masturbation.
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    Post  NationalRus Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:30 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Petro Offshoreshenko... I almost peed myself... lol1 lol1 lol1


    pore like something for the funny post thread, but hell that was hilarious! i was genuinely laughing Very Happy
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    Post  Khepesh Tue Apr 12, 2016 8:25 pm

    Alleged to have been an attempt this evening to assassinate Daria Morozova , DNR commissioner for human rights. No confirmation of what happened, if anything, or her safety. She has been responsible for collating information on the many citizens of DNR who have dissapeared in ukrops occupied areas.
    http://www.novorosinform.org/news/id/50928

    Also, ukrops seem to be spreading rumor of an uprising in Odessa in early May. Either this is normal stuffing, or, as has been suspected for the last week, ukrops are preparing a serious provocation in Odessa. A previous date of 10-15 April, and this is still ongoing of course, is probably due to two events. First was anniversary of liberation of Odessa, if there is an anniversary then the logic of this conflict is that there must be some offensive etc bla bla bla. The second is that is was said to be 10 April to coincide with the fictional visit of General Lentsov to PMR, but that was fabricated because of the news of potential removal of Soviet era weapons from PMR, so it is easy to fabricate visit of Lentsov, as if this did occur, then he is a likely man to oversee such an operation. But early May and something in Odessa, hm, let's guess, two anniversaries.....


    Offtop. Users of Yandex should click on the little photo of Yuri Gagarin to the left of the search box. It opens a very good presentation of the entire launch and flight

    And of course there are two anniversaries today, also Slavyansk
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    Post  eehnie Tue Apr 12, 2016 10:30 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Petro Offshoreshenko... I almost peed myself... lol1 lol1 lol1


    Understanding both is to laugh a lot )))
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    Post  Khepesh Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:21 pm

    Rostislav Ishchenko today writes that "Peace in Donbass can only bring War".
    Paraphrased synopsis - He believes that the situation cannot now be resolved without war as there is an impasse. Neither side will back down on any demands and Kiev will not even commit to Minsk. Kiev has tens of thousands of radikals under arms that they will not give up, it has tens of thousands of heavily armed forces that are the backbone of the regime. These forces will not leave Donbass without being defeated in the field. Ishchenko believes it may even be possible that some Kiev forces may start war on their own intitiative, probably hoping that once it begins then Kiev will be forced to back up whatever happened and go for full out offensive. He finishes the article saying

    "And maybe, if Kiev begins to permanently loose control of the situation, it will be necessary to divert peoples attention away from internal problems and bring society together around military action, and then the government can give the order to begin large scale hostilities. Anything can happen at any time"
    http://riafan.ru/516306-ishchenko-mir-v-donbass-mozhet-prinesti-tolko-voina

    This is the view, that I also hold, that no matter the influence of Washington, in the end it is the Kiev regime that are the ones with everything to loose, and ultimately, no matter what Washington, Merkel or Hollande say, their fate is in their own hands. Kiev knows that Donbass is not going to be merged, so the fact that they have not withdrawn outside of DNR and LNR territory is, to me, proof that they intend military action. No frozen conflict outside Korea has opposing armed forces on such a large scale facing each other like this, ready for war at any moment, and in reality fighting a low level war almost every day. The post Soviet frozen conflicts are insignificant compared to Donbass in scale and importance, there is no comparison. There will be war, at any time.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:00 am

    Ivan Katchanovski
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    In exchange for the vote in favor of the new government by his oligarchic faction in the parliament, Kolomoisky reportedly got from Poroshenko a number of his people in the national government and the regional Odesa government, including replacement of Saakashvili.

    http://strana.ua/articles/analysis/8702-chem-obespechili-premerstvo-grojsmana-novye-podrobnosti.html
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:04 am

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    The Parliament of Ukraine voted to celebrate at the state level the 75th anniversary of Poliska Sich, a militia which was organized in parts of the Rivne and Zhytomyr regions by Bulba Borovets in collaboration with the occupational administration of Nazi Germany in 1941. Studies by Western scholars, including my own, show that members and commanders of this local militia were involved in Nazi-led mass murder of Jews and Ukrainian and Russian civilians and POWs.

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:05 am

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    Parubiy is elected as new speaker of the parliament of Ukraine. The governments and the mainstream media in Ukraine and the West do not ask any questions about his background as a former leader of the neo-Nazi Patriot of Ukraine and the Social National Party, his statement in a 2008 interview that he did not change his views after leaving these organizations, and his alleged involvement in the Maidan and Odesa massacres.

    https://www.kyivpost.com/article/content/ukraine-politics/rada-appoints-andriy-parubiy-its-speaker-411985.html
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    Post  Khepesh Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:45 am

    VSN in Donetsk have been practising tank assaults, and in Lugansk assault river crossing. There is a pattern in this now as tho it was reported that the river crossing training was unique, it was, I think, the second major such exercise within about six weeks and indicates a future intention to cross the Donets.

    Night armored assault training at Mospino


    Some unverified news appeared about bomb and casualties, dead and injured, at the parking lot for the rail station at Novoaleksandrovka in Kherson region just up from border with Crimea. Nothing official in any media yet.

    Edit: Patrick Lancaster has a series of videos of the large scale training exercises in DNR over the last few days
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    Post  Ispan Fri Apr 15, 2016 11:49 am

    Though I haven't posted lately, as it is the same old and waiting for warm weather and the junta sorting out who is capo di tutti capi in Kiev, the war goes on, and the average intensity of shellings and attacks remains on the same level as March.

    Noteworthy that in Lugansk there was fairly heavy fighting, despite that during the past two months it has been "all quiet" there. Given the continuos build up also in that sector, it was only a matter of time there were clashes there as well.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Apr 15, 2016 11:56 am

    Here comes the start of the financial rape of Ukraine. Got to keep those at the top in the style they are accustomed to, especially the 'new' US oligarchs moving in.

    Ukraine’s finance minister may soon own one of Ukraine's largest IT businesses. A firm co-founded by US-born Natalie Jaresko, a former State Department employee, is reportedly looking to purchase a company that controls 85 percent of Ukraine's telecom market.

    The potential business transaction focuses on the company Information and Computer Technology (Incom), which began its liquidation procedure in February. To pay off debts, the company's major asset, Datagroup, may be sold.

    The likely buyer is Horizon Capital, co-founded by Ukrainian Finance Minister Natalie Jaresko, according to LIGA.net news outlet. Prior to her role in the Ukrainian government, Jaresko worked for the US State Department. In fact, Jaresko – who was born in the US state of Illinois – only received Ukrainian citizenship in December 2014, the same time as when she was appointed as finance minister.

    Her political career in Ukraine has moved at lightning speed, and she is currently thought to be in talks to become the country's next prime minister. Although she is favored by investors and those hoping to crack down on corruption, critics say the move would show that Kiev is in fact a puppet of Washington.

    Datagroup, which controls 85 percent of Ukraine's telecom market, is currently owned by famous businessmen Oleksandr Kardakov. It's not the first time that Horizon Capital has invested in Information and Computer Technology. When trouble first emerged for the company in 2010, Horizon purchased a 30 percent share from Datagroup, the majority shareholder.


    https://www.rt.com/business/339648-jaresko-ukraine-telecom-company/

    Kardakov's decision to liquidate came in 2015, following a US$30 million debt with ING bank and Ukraine's political and economic crisis that shook the country in 2013. "What we did in our business before had no future prospects,” Kardakov said. According to the Ukrainian businessman, Information and Computer Technology fully settled with the government last year, paying nearly $350,000 of tax compromise, and nearly $500,000 in other taxes. In regards to debt owed to the banks, Kardakov said “they went on zeroing.”

    The fact that Datagroup could soon be owned by the company which Jaresko co-founded has many critics reminiscing about another big name from the US State Department, Victoria Nuland, who was caught on tape in 2014 while speaking to US ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt. The call led many to determine that Washington was playing a major role in the Ukrainian revolution.
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    Post  ExBeobachter1987 Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:07 pm

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    Where is Novozvanovka located?
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    Post  Khepesh Fri Apr 15, 2016 1:12 pm

    Before Red Army liberated Odessa the normal people had risen against the fascists. Those that had failed to escape with the retreating German Army were executed. On arriving at the entrance to Odessa the liberators were met with the sight of banderas hanging, and the main road thru Odessa was lined by banderas hanging. Will history repeat itself?.........
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    Post  Khepesh Fri Apr 15, 2016 1:19 pm

    ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

    Where is Novozvanovka located?
    To the South of Popasnaya. There is fighting in that general area between Popasnaya and Pervomaisk at this time.
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    Post  ExBeobachter1987 Fri Apr 15, 2016 6:39 pm

    An article from James Carden worth reading.
    It offers insight in Ukrainian-occupied LPR.

    The cost of war in Eastern Ukraine, two years later

    Until there is progress in implementing the Minsk agreements and some form of economic aid, the situation in Eastern Ukraine will continue to deteriorate – or perhaps even collapse entirely.

    Two years ago, in April 2014, the Ukraine crisis escalated into a full-scale war between Russian-backed separatist forces and Ukrainian regular and volunteer forces in the Donbas. Over the past six months, the recent terror attacks in Paris and Brussels, together with the military campaign in Syria, have, for the most part, knocked Ukraine out of the headlines. Yet the war continues.

    In March, I traveled to Kiev and government-controlled Luhansk province in Eastern Ukraine and found that recent reports on the conflict, such as they are, have given short shrift to the economic crisis facing the civilian population of Eastern Ukraine. There, the old industrial centers of Severodonetsk and Lisichansk, as well as the scores of front line villages located in the immediate vicinity of the ceasefire line, are in danger of economic collapse, unless something is done to put an end to the war and to revive the Ukrainian economy.

    To get a sense of the toll that the war has taken on the Ukrainian economy, one could hardly do better than to speak with Vladimir Vlasiuk of Ukraine Industry Expertise (UEX), an industrial policy research firm in Kiev, which has tracked the shrinking industrial and manufacturing base in Ukraine over the past two years.

    The overall picture Vlasiuk painted of the Ukrainian economy, despite his best efforts, was not encouraging. According to UEX’s estimates, Ukraine’s GDP has contracted by 16.5 percent since the beginning of the crisis in 2014. And if one includes the loss of Crimea and rebel-held territory, Vlasiuk says it’s closer to 24 percent.

    The war and the loss of access to the Russian market have resulted in a steep decline in exports, which have fallen to $38.1 billion in 2015, from a high of $68.8 billion in 2012. The hope that greater access to the European market would make up for the loss of access to the Russian market remains unfulfilled; since 2011 exports to the EU have fallen by roughly $5 billion.

    Nowhere is the economic decline more acutely felt than in the country’s industrial heartland in the east. Since the beginning of the war, a wave of plant closings in Ukraine has resulted in the loss of 700,000 industrial jobs in 2015 alone.

    Perhaps emblematic of the industrial slowdown is the deteriorating situation in what remains of eastern Ukraine’s industry towns. In Severodonetsk, a city of 100,000 people, approximately 60 miles north of the rebel-held city of Luhansk, I met Sergei, a longtime employee of the AZOT chemical plant. He told me that prior to the war, the AZOT plant employed 1 in 10 residents of Severodonetsk. Now it operates sporadically and is on the verge of shutting down. “If the plant should shutter completely,” Sergei told me, “you take the core out of this place. And people will leave.”

    In neighboring Lisichansk much of the heavy industry — a major coal mine, a glass factory and an Rosneft-linked oil refinery — had been dependent on government subsidies before the war, but now, with both the war and International Monetary Fund austerity mandates eating away at the national budget, the subsidizes are evaporating. Without these, the mine and the glass factory are unlikely to survive (the refinery was shuttered before the war). In February, the Lisichansk city council appealed directly to the Verkhovna Rada for economic assistance, but it is likely the council’s plea will fall on deaf ears in Kiev.

    One humanitarian aid worker who has lived and worked in Severodonetsk for the past two years told me, “The point about this area is that even prior to the war, it was already in decline. But with the extensive damage from the war and now, with the loss of access to the Russian markets, it is teetering on the edge.”

    It is hard to escape the conclusion that if things don’t change soon, the entire region faces economic collapse. Last year, a report issued by the UN Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) said that at least 65 percent of government-held eastern Ukraine had been “directly affected by the conflict.”

    What too often goes unmentioned in the coverage of the Ukrainian conflict is that huge numbers of people remain vulnerable — especially on the front line. The UN’s Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) estimates that 800,000 people live in the vicinity of the ceasefire line, and an estimated 8,000-15,000 of them cross the line on a daily basis.

    Given all this, the potential for a humanitarian disaster is becoming ever more real, and yet, Kiev seems unmoved. In Severodonetsk I spoke with David who runs a humanitarian aid organization that serves government-controlled Luhansk. Due to his concern over possible reprisals against his organization, I agreed not use his real name.

    In fearing reprisals from the Ukrainian Security Service (SBU), David was not alone. Several workers at the AZOT plant I was scheduled to meet with backed out at the last minute due to their worries that speaking frankly to a journalist would draw them the SBU’s unwanted attention.

    David’s take on Kiev’s response to the humanitarian crisis in the Donbas is little short of scathing. While he was no fan of the previous government under Ukraine's former President Viktor Yanukovych, he says that, “Since Maidan it is clear no one is working in the interests of the country.” By his estimate, people in the Donbas today are “three and a half times poorer than they were under Yanukovych.” Before the war, David told me, “we Ukrainians would go to Europe as tourists, now we go as refugees.”

    Corruption, in his view, remains endemic. “On a policy level,” David continued, “Kiev is not doing enough to help the region recover. The money marked for reconstruction, for welfare, for refugees — we see a lot of it disappearing.” According to David, since the Maidan, “Corruption is two-times worse…its almost as if they added a new layer of corruption!”

    Sergei, the AZOT worker, echoed these sentiments almost exactly. “Judicial corruption is just as bad as it ever was.” Right now, he explained, “all we have is the appearance of a battle against corruption. The old corruption is gone, sure, but its been replaced by something new.”

    Back in Kiev, my conversation with Vlasiuk turned to politics. When I told him that a year ago at a refugee settlement for displaced women and children from Eastern Ukraine, a woman told me that, “There is no ‘back’ for Ukraine,” he didn't seem surprised. So I asked if he shared that woman’s sentiments, or did he think Ukraine could be put back together? Vlasiuk, who served a tour as a volunteer when the crisis broke out, said he has reluctantly come to believe that “Donbas [Eastern Ukraine] is a burden for Ukraine; it would be better to cut this territory and more forward.”

    Vlasiuk believes that Ukraine requires a Marshall Plan of its own. And indeed, there seems to be some support in Europe for the idea. Only recently, Hans-Georg Wellman, the head of the German parliament's working group on Ukraine, called on the EU to commit billions of dollars to assist Ukraine in its recovery.

    If such a program were to materialize, it should be contingent, not on implementing the ‘reforms' of the International Monetary Fund which only serve to eviscerate the national budget, but on Kiev’s full compliance with the Minsk-II Agreements. After all, it is Kiev that has been the primary obstacle to the protocol’s implementation.

    According to the aforementioned OHCHR report, Kiev has yet to implement “critical measures” including, but not limited to, “the much-awaited parliamentary vote on decentralization, which has been postponed and should take place by July 22, 2016. Envisioned as part of the Minsk Process, this vote is to be the precursor to a series of steps toward peace… .”

    The ultimate goal of any plan should be the full and peaceful integration of the separatist enclaves back into Ukraine as envisioned by the Minsk protocol.

    But something needs to be done to address the myriad challenges that are facing Eastern Ukraine, and soon. Because in the absence of any progress in implementing the Minsk-II Agreements, millions of people on both sides of the ceasefire line will continue to suffer grinding poverty and war without end.

    Khepesh wrote:
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    Where is Novozvanovka located?
    To the South of Popasnaya. There is fighting in that general area between Popasnaya and Pervomaisk at this time.

    Thanks, found it.
    I thought the frontline was farther south.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Apr 15, 2016 10:27 pm


    Apparently some folks on The Other Place started humorously calling Ukraine "Better Russia" lol1
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Apr 15, 2016 11:11 pm

    Today's sobering data from Donetsk, this is a lot of gear.

    The international observers repeatedly confirm violations by Kiev its obligations on withdrawal of heavy weapons. In particular, over the past week the OSCE representatives documented and published a list of gross violations of the Minsk Agreements by the Ukrainian side.

    According to the OSCE mission, out of 19 sites of storage of Ukrainian weapons and equipment 11 are empty, there is documented the absence of heavy weapons stored there earlier, including:

    - 105 152mm artillery systems;

    - 66 122mm artillery cannons and systems;

    - 147 100mm "Rapira" MT-12 cannons;

    - 20 82mm and 120mm mortars;

    - 58 122mm and 220mm MLRS "gard" and "Uragan";

    - 59 tanks T-64 and T-72.

    In addition, the use of artillery by the Ukrainian side is confirmed by their use of drones, two of which were downed by the DPR Army units, while they were carrying out the aerial reconnaissance in the area of a training field, 3 km southeastward from the locality of Torez.


    https://dninews.com/article/donetsk-defense-situation-report-15042016
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Apr 15, 2016 11:43 pm

    Good news for Crimea, full power from Russia is nearly on. Then no electricity from Ukraine is needed again. From Fortrus

    The third strand of the energy bridge in the Crimean Federal district was put into operation ahead of schedule. Its launch helped to increase the maximum power transmitted across the energy bridge. This was reported by the Russian Ministry of Energy.

    "After the early launch of the third line, the total volume of alloted power to Crimea increased to 1060 MW excluding alternative and backup power sources. The maximum peak consumption on the Peninsula in the spring is expected to be no more than 1100 MW, that is, after today's launch, the shutting down of the power supply will almost be completely stopped," — said energy Minister Alexander Novak.

    That third strand of the power bridge will be launched today, said the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin, speaking at Straight Line.

    "Overall, we are approaching the volume of flow that was carried from the Ukrainian territory", — said the Russian leader.

    According to him, the fourth strand of another 200 MW, which will completely replace the volume that came from Ukraine, will be running within two to three weeks.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Fri Apr 15, 2016 11:51 pm

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    Poroshenko was photographed by tourists on the International Women's Day shopping and driving in Spain, where he reportedly has an undeclared villa. The presidential administration confirmed his secret visit to Spain.

    http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2016/04/15/7105679/

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