Upgrade was about making it comparable with current generation of weapons, Udaloi's original missiles are no longer in production
16 UKSK are the main event, Urans are just something that they installed because there was empty space available
Exactly... this isn't about making an arsenal ship or super ship... just with 16 UKSK launch tubes it already doubles its fire power and gets access to anti ship and land attack missiles it could never carry before, and actually 8 Uran missiles is actually rather useful too...
Original gun was also 100mm, it was simply replaced with current model, installing oversized gun would have taken another year probably more and it would offer nothing in return
Actually the new 130mm guns are about the size and weight of the old 100mm guns so they probably could have gone to a bigger gun... they clearly decided it was not necessary or desirable.
As noted above they are contemplating fitting Pantsir to the ship so clearly the upgrade is fluid and over time their choices of armament might change as different options become available.
Certainly it looks like the old model Klintok is fitted in the bow area... certainly a new upgraded model could double or even quadruple the number of missiles carried with them all ready to fire unlike the old system...
Slanted Onyx doesn't exist
It was planned and has been shown in models showing an upgrade of this ship type on their export website. Whether it is actually developed and working is another question but it was actually fitted on and tested on a small ship...
In terms of space those tor launchers could have been also modified with VLS and increase by 3 or 4 times the numbers carried on the the front. With the new missile that is 2 times smaller they could then multiply by 2 the number carried.
Yes, the naval tor system called Klintok... with talk about adding Pantsir suggests to me that this is a basic upgrade and if it is working well they might follow up with further improvements... Pantsir and improved Klintok spring to mind... as things that could be worked in to the design... Pantsir needs a few decks for reload missiles so you can't just put it anywhere, while the naval Klintok would need a built in equivalent of what they seem to be doing with the deck mounted models.
The TOR is basically vertical launch from fixed cells on land, so that should not be too hard to translate to ship and with there not being and rotary equipment to move the missiles to the launch hatches it should be simpler and easier... should.
And I agree 16 uran would be better. 8 is not a threat for modern ships carrying decebt AD systems. Abd with 16 of them they can destroy more supply vessels without spending kalibr on them.
Catch any ship unawares and subsonic low flying anti ship missiles are a serious threat... for all we know they might intend for them to be cheap missiles to finish off or further damage ships that have already been hit by Zircons or Onyx missiles...
Remember this vessel is an anti sub ship primarily so anti ship is a secondary capability so after sinking 16 subs with missiles from the UKSK launcher and another 10 subs with the 533mm torpedo tubes, having 8 Urans to sink any ships that try to stop you heading back to base is probably enough.
If 8 aren't enough then 16 probably wont be either...
If 8 Urans can't do the job then neither will 16
These are bonus features, UKSK is the thing that would be used to fight ships not Urans
I just read what your wrote after writing something similar myself, but I would say that the UKSK is for fighting subs and ships and land targets where needed, but originally mostly subs, while the Uran would be back up self defence.
16 allows an overwhelming attack against a well armed vessel or they allow to destroy more secondary ships.
Against a well armed vessel a single Zircon should penetrate its defences and do some serious damage and a follow up Uran or two while it is burning will make sure it sinks.
UKSK carry many different missiles like anti sub, land attack or anti ship. The 16 cells will be split for all of them so the urans allow anti ship attack while the uksk carries the land attack. Not all operation need 16 Zirkon.
There are land attack Urans as well so there is a bit of flexibility all over... the original ships had 8 anti sub weapons that had back up anti ship capability... the missile was called Metel and the ASCC codename was SS-N-14 Silex.
If they wanted to they could have the SS-N-15 missile in the 10 533mm torpedo tubes for anti sub use and 8 Urans for anti ship use and that leaves 16 launch tubes for all sorts of weapon options.
The top view shows that its dimensions are perfect for a destroyer with two hangars. Too bad they didn't develop a new class on its basis with VLS and introduced it instead of Gorshkov.
The current Gorshkov is a frigate and the enlarged improved model might have two hangars...
Was it not supposed to receive the Pantsir-M? Not seeing anything of that in the pictures... maybe the Shaposhnikov is a done deal and only further units may receive that upgrade?
There were also talks of installing Tor-M2KM:
Perhaps this upgrade was testing new propulsion or other options to see if a decent upgrade is viable, while later upgrades will add improved Pantsir and naval TOR options...
Are they the same, or at least a version of, the gas turbines used in the Gorshkov class?
These old ships are much bigger than Gorshkov frigates...
Would it be possible to take submarine torpedo tube Kalibr missile (like on Kilo subs) and launch it from there?
Not Kalibre... more often the ballistic rocket SS-N-15 delivered anti sub torpedo...
Somewhat suspicious that the 'new' Kinzhal firecontrol is a non-functional place-holder.
Ironic because the Udaloy was the first class of ship to carry this system and spent its first few years of operational service carrying the missiles but not having this fire control tower actually fitted... The electronics are very complex for the TOR and very very capable... even today... it was designed from the outset to shoot down munitions including anti tank missiles... all with cheap command guided missiles.
I wonder if Morphei is getting close to being ready and they are trying to decide which way to go...