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calripson wrote:Why continue to spend money on BMP-3? Time to move 100% to new generation vehicles.
Because tgere are lot of new vehickes based on bmp-3 which isn't supposed to be replaced.
Kurganets 25 will replace bmp-1/2 mainly.
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BMP-3 in Russian Army
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Because tgere are lot of new vehickes based on bmp-3 which isn't supposed to be replaced.
Kurganets 25 will replace bmp-1/2 mainly.
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calripson wrote:Why continue to spend money on BMP-3? Time to move 100% to new generation vehicles.
Because Курганец-25, cause some component's redesign, is late of 2 -3 years in comparison with heavy and light families of armoured vehicles.
Moreover the 2030 restructuring plan for mechanized forces already foresee the modernized БМП-3 as the platform remaining, from those of Soviet designs, in the future formations.
Those modernized БМП-3 procurements would have happened anyway
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Why continue to spend money on BMP-3? Time to move 100% to new generation vehicles.
It makes sense to keep the existing fleet up to date and most of the upgraded systems and equipment being fitted to these new BMP-3s is likely related to the new stuff going into the new vehicles so this gets it into service faster and allows practise and training with it to learn new tactics and also allows them to look for problems or faults and also get production mature so there are fewer duds and problems.
The three vehicle familes of the vehicles we have seen so far there are BMP and BTR equivalents for all of them so all of the divisions and forces getting upgraded will likely get their BMP and BTR vehicles replaced with new vehicles straight away, but there will likely remain forces with only old gear for quite a few years yet... upgrading them makes sense as it keeps them relevant and improves their performance and the performance of the military.
Because tgere are lot of new vehickes based on bmp-3 which isn't supposed to be replaced.
This is true, but over time new versions of the new vehicles will be put into service to eventually replace everything... but that will take some serious time.
Those modernized БМП-3 procurements would have happened anyway
In other words they are filling gaps they can't wait for new vehicles to fill... makes sense.
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Prototype of new demining vehicle based on BMP-3 was used for the first time in Kaukas-2020 exercise.
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UR-15 Meteor
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Everyone seems to have forgotten that the new UR-15 has electrical transmission.
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Electric transmission... awesome.
It will likely replace the UR-77 which is based on the MTLBu vehicle... those big tubes under the roof that opens up are large heavy rockets that are launched across a minefield. You would only launch one rocket as it drags a cable that consists of HE, so you would launch it across a mined area to create a path for armoured vehicles to drive across. When the rocket lands the cable of HE is pulled straight and then the vehicle retires back a distance and the explosive cable is detonated creating a clear path across the minefield for vehicles to drive across.
Looking at an image of the UR-77 it only seems to have two ready to fire rockets, but these new vehicles have rather more which suggests they can clear more paths to speed up the attack.
Nice find.
It will likely replace the UR-77 which is based on the MTLBu vehicle... those big tubes under the roof that opens up are large heavy rockets that are launched across a minefield. You would only launch one rocket as it drags a cable that consists of HE, so you would launch it across a mined area to create a path for armoured vehicles to drive across. When the rocket lands the cable of HE is pulled straight and then the vehicle retires back a distance and the explosive cable is detonated creating a clear path across the minefield for vehicles to drive across.
Looking at an image of the UR-77 it only seems to have two ready to fire rockets, but these new vehicles have rather more which suggests they can clear more paths to speed up the attack.
Nice find.
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BMP-3 with Sodema and panoramic sight
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With investments in modernized FCS and communications suite for the tanks like the T-72B3, it only makes sense to continue and develop the offensive capabilities of the IFVs these very same tanks would be operating alongside with. Look at Desert Storm; the M2 Bradleys with their thermal sights and guided missiles were able to rack up much more kills than the M1 Abrams did. It also cushions the military from complications with the Kurganets and Bumerang development cycles, which given the experience of most nations trying to introduce their own version of the next gen medium class IFV are bound to be frought with delays, and tech teething issues. At they very least the situation of the August war where the Russian army is ill-equipped compared to their foe and only carried the day through sheer speed and agression should be avoided.calripson wrote:Why continue to spend money on BMP-3? Time to move 100% to new generation vehicles.
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Equiped with Afghanit APS.
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Which could lead to other new versions of the BMP-3 receiving it.
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Mine clearing vehicles operate on the frontline and could even be used just in front of enemy which will have the possibility to fire at it. T14 and t-90 behind will cover them but that's not enough.
Afghanit will intercept anything thrown at them and that will oblige the enemy to fire multiple time so get out of cover and be spotted by t-14/90.
Other bmp3 work with infantry around so launching the explosive from afghan it will be dangerous for them.
Afghanit will intercept anything thrown at them and that will oblige the enemy to fire multiple time so get out of cover and be spotted by t-14/90.
Other bmp3 work with infantry around so launching the explosive from afghan it will be dangerous for them.
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https://www.facebook.com/tvzvezda/videos/3035804303372908/
Interesting to see T-90, BMP-3, BMPT and Tunguska-M1 working together in the same line.
Interesting to see T-90, BMP-3, BMPT and Tunguska-M1 working together in the same line.
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Isos wrote:Mine clearing vehicles operate on the frontline and could even be used just in front of enemy which will have the possibility to fire at it. T14 and t-90 behind will cover them but that's not enough.
Afghanit will intercept anything thrown at them and that will oblige the enemy to fire multiple time so get out of cover and be spotted by t-14/90.
Other bmp3 work with infantry around so launching the explosive from afghan it will be dangerous for them.
If the infantry is still sitting in the rear of the vehicle it could be used.
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BMP-3 Epocha
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Logical step, first saturate the ground forces with this one and then transition to the Kurganets 
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BMP-3 Epocha
Read an article in the past couple of days in which it was stated there were 150 of these ordered.
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franco wrote:Read an article in the past couple of days in which it was stated there were 150 of these ordered.
Is there already an official version name for this vehicle? Does it have the engine at the front as the Manul?
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LMFS wrote:franco wrote:Read an article in the past couple of days in which it was stated there were 150 of these ordered.
Is there already an official version name for this vehicle? Does it have the engine at the front as the Manul?
Didn't mention.
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BMP-3 with Epocha turret.
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Ministry of Defense press release from 2300 Moscow time:
By the end of 2020, it is planned to deliver BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicles with the Epoch combat module and BMP-2 with the Berezhok combat unit to the ground forces of the Russian Armed Forces. As part of the execution of the state defense order, enterprises of the military-industrial complex will transfer modern samples of armored vehicles to the Russian defense Ministry.
Infantry fighting vehicles have undergone a deep modernization, while increasing their fire capabilities. As part of the uninhabited combat module "Epoch" – 57-mm gun, with a gun paired 7.62-mm machine gun PKTM with ammunition 2 thousand rounds. A distinctive feature of the new combat compartment of the BMP "Berezhok" is the presence in its composition of the ATGM "Kornet" with ammunition from eight missiles, four of which are immediately ready for launch, and in addition to the 30-mm automatic gun, an automatic grenade launcher is installed.
Coincidence
By the end of 2020, it is planned to deliver BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicles with the Epoch combat module and BMP-2 with the Berezhok combat unit to the ground forces of the Russian Armed Forces. As part of the execution of the state defense order, enterprises of the military-industrial complex will transfer modern samples of armored vehicles to the Russian defense Ministry.
Infantry fighting vehicles have undergone a deep modernization, while increasing their fire capabilities. As part of the uninhabited combat module "Epoch" – 57-mm gun, with a gun paired 7.62-mm machine gun PKTM with ammunition 2 thousand rounds. A distinctive feature of the new combat compartment of the BMP "Berezhok" is the presence in its composition of the ATGM "Kornet" with ammunition from eight missiles, four of which are immediately ready for launch, and in addition to the 30-mm automatic gun, an automatic grenade launcher is installed.
Coincidence
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Infantry fighting vehicles have undergone a deep modernization, while increasing their fire capabilities. As part of the uninhabited combat module "Epoch" – 57-mm gun, with a gun paired 7.62-mm machine gun PKTM with ammunition 2 thousand rounds. A distinctive feature of the new combat compartment of the BMP "Berezhok" is the presence in its composition of the ATGM "Kornet" with ammunition from eight missiles, four of which are immediately ready for launch, and in addition to the 30-mm automatic gun, an automatic grenade launcher is installed.
So is it the 57mm gun or a 30mm cannon fitted?
I would think a 57mm grenade launcher with large powerful HE round and APFSDS round would be all round better than the 30mm 2A42 cannon, especially with air burst command detonation shells...
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GarryB wrote:So is it the 57mm gun or a 30mm cannon fitted?
Now the only RCWS named "Epocha" is the one with the 57 mm low ballistics gun, the one with 30 mm is called "Bumerang-BM"
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BMP-3 autoloader animation
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https://twitter.com/gunner_schmulke/status/1329195308966932480
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