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    Taliban insurgency in Afghanistan

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Aug 16, 2021 5:53 pm

    Sound familiar?

    WASHINGTON (Sputnik) - The Biden administration will not permit the Taliban* movement to gain any access to the financial reserves of the collapsed Afghan government that are held in the United States, Agence France-Presse (AFP) reported on Monday.

    The Taliban, who are in control of Afghanistan, will be denied access to any of the country’s reserves held in US accounts, a Biden administration official was quoted as saying in the report.

    No assets of Afghan’s Central Bank being held in the United States will be made available to the Taliban, the official said.

    US forces continued to evacuate Afghanistan's capital Kabul on Monday, according to the report.

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    Post  auslander Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:04 pm

    Now I am totally shocked. Uncle Sugar, Bank of England etc will not release Afghan assets to the new government? Good Lord, never heard of such a thing. Oh wait....

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    Post  Sujoy Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:10 pm

    Afghan Army's training designed by NATO. For those who were asking why did these guys pack up and ran.

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    Post  auslander Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:15 pm

    Reasonably good image of how Pentagon/Foggy Bottom/Langley feel of the moment.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:20 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Sound familiar?

    WASHINGTON (Sputnik) - The Biden administration will not permit the Taliban* movement to gain any access to the financial reserves of the collapsed Afghan government that are held in the United States, Agence France-Presse (AFP) reported on Monday.

    The Taliban, who are in control of Afghanistan, will be denied access to any of the country’s reserves held in US accounts, a Biden administration official was quoted as saying in the report.

    No assets of Afghan’s Central Bank being held in the United States will be made available to the Taliban, the official said.

    US forces continued to evacuate Afghanistan's capital Kabul on Monday, according to the report.

    Of course, they just stole the money in old fashioned British way Laughing

    Speaking the British (sorry John, old chap) ...



    How funny it seems from the perspective Laughing

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    Post  Backman Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:35 pm

    I think Bindens diplomatic core wanted to end this war. And the MIC CIA complex wanted to keep the gravy train going. This kind of a pullout was the threat to the diplomatic core. So they carried their threat out. Unpopular opinion but I actually feel bad for Biden that has to wear it like this.

     But a pull out and collapse for maximum chaos fulfills the US goals for it anyway. They don't want to leave anything to the enemy in the region. Which is Russia.


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    Post  Finty Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:52 pm

    JohninMK wrote:No figures for others

    C-17 aircraft are designed to carry around 100 paratroopers and their equipment, that didn’t stop an American C-17 leaving Kabul with 800 souls on-board.

    British transport aircraft including four C-17s, one A400M, one C-130 and three Voyagers are currently involved in evacuation efforts. Only the C-17s, C-130s and A400s are going into Kabul, The Voyagers are staging at Al Minhad air base ferrying back to UK.


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    Good find, thanks for sharing.
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    Post  Finty Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:02 pm

    Sujoy wrote:Afghan Army's training designed by NATO. For those who were asking why did these guys pack up and ran.


    I laughed out loud at that second vid, f*cking hell.

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    Post  calripson Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:03 pm

    "The look of genuine shock on the faces of people like Tony Blinken this weekend should tell people around the world something important about the United States: in addition to all the other things about us that are dangerous, we lack self-knowledge."


    "The lies about America’s occupations go on for so long that they become institutionalized, eventually believed even by the bureaucrats who concocted them in the first place."

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    Post  Mir Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:08 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Isos wrote:Well everyone asked for stoping US wars over the world. They got it.

    You can't blame US for leaving if you asked for them to leave.

    Funny isn't it now that we won't be there to keep the Taliban in check everyone is suddenly crying bloody murder.

    But when we were there or how they hated us for it, the hypocrisy is just hilarious.

    I think you are incapable to understand that people like the Taliban extremists (aka Mujaheddin) were the creation of your Government's foreign policy in their fight (obsession) against the rise of Communism in Russia in particular. The crap that you see there now is a direct result of your Government's "interventionist policies". You are now reaping what you have sown.

    Mind you - your Government - being at the forefront of the crusade against the Communists - once took no issue in supporting two Communist countries (China and Pol Pot's Cambodia) against Vietnam that literally kicked your arse a couple of years prior. A humiliation that the warmongering elite in your country will never forgive - never mind forget!  

    History has revealed the atrocities committed by the Pol Pot's Communist Khmer Rough in Cambodia, where 33% of males and 15% of the women in the country was slaughtered. The US Government knew very well what was going on but they turned a blind eye just to get a bite at Vietnam (yet another miserable fail).

    Here is something you can be proud of >>

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:16 pm

    calripson wrote:"The look of genuine shock on the faces of people like Tony Blinken this weekend should tell people around the world something important about the United States: in addition to all the other things about us that are dangerous, we lack self-knowledge."


    "The lies about America’s occupations go on for so long that they become institutionalized, eventually believed even by the bureaucrats who concocted them in the first place."

    I really don't have any thing to base what I think on... I'm just amazed that they left the Bagram air base, and pulled soldiers out. Why didn't they stay until they had gotten everyone out, before they left? Who made that decision? Who was making decisions? We all know Joe Biden is not mentally fit, capable, able, who is making decisions, and running our government?? Surely not the military! Surely they wouldn't be so stupid.

    It looks to me like it's a bunch of bureaucrats making the decisions, and running our Country, and Afghanistan into the ground.

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:24 pm

    Backman wrote:I think Bindens diplomatic core wanted to end this war. And the MIC CIA complex wanted to keep the gravy train going. This kind of a pullout was the threat to the diplomatic core. So they carried their threat out. Unpopular opinion but I actually feel bad for Biden that has to wear it like this.

     But a pull out and collapse for maximum chaos fulfills the US goals for it anyway. They don't want to leave anything to the enemy in the region. Which is Russia.


    I'm going to think about this. Are you saying that Biden's diplomatic core is responsible for this disaster?


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    Post  Isos Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:37 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:

    you must be having a brain aneurism or you have reading comprehension issues.

    No, the Taliban wouldn't have had thee strength if it wasn't for US funding them and helping Pakistan develop them in the 1980's.

    I was refering about 2001 taliban being at power. They outnumbered and outguned other militias.

    Back then taliban had the power they are geting today.

    US intervention the last 20 years didn't change the balence of force at the end.

    But I agree about your view on US involvement during the 70s that gave them lot of power.
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:40 pm

    Remind you of anywhere?

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    It turns out that the Afghan Super Tucano in reality collided with the Uzbekistan MiG-29 and both aircraft crashed.. Overall 22 military aircraft and 24 military helicopters with 585 armed servicemen flew from Afghanistan to Uzbekistan on August 14-15.

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:43 pm

    World War Z. Who the fk needs Brad Pitt

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:45 pm

    Airbornewolf wrote:Complete anarchy at Kabul airport.

    Afghan's rush C-17 wanting to start take-off. AH-64 charges in to scare them off.
    C-17 rolling down runway with people near its gear and under the wings.

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1427171566291464193

    Well,...i guess Brad pitts world war Z jeruzalem airport scenes are possible in real-life after all.

    Airplane scene from Tom Cruise's Mission Impossible - Rogue Nation however not so much...




    Cowboy's daughter wrote:...Even Left-wing outlets such as CNN and The New York Times that would traditionally back a Democrat president have hit out at Mr Biden for his role in allowing insurgents to take Kabul after routing Afghan forces in just a week...

    CNN joining the feeding frenzy and biting the hand that feeds them

    Little to do with actual criticism, it's just following the trends and looking out for themselves, It must be some serious PR situation for them to break ranks like this




    Isos wrote:...Biggest error was to not support Massoud from the beggining against Talibans. I guess even Russia/USSR should have.

    It wasn't

    Vindicating some jihadi shithead for being marginally less of a jihadi shithead than regular ones would have been counterproductive and would amount to kicking the can even further down the road

    This here should be treated as the the wakeup call that the folks in USA badly needed since apparently 9/11 wasn't enough

    Jihadis are not friends, allies or even tools, they are a fucking plague and if you keep coddling those psychopaths thinking that you will get your money's worth out of them and that they will not gut you at first available opportunity then you deserve everything coming your way

    So to any USA lurkers who might be reading this: Come next election don't gloss over foreign policy topics because that shit is more important than it sounds



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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:20 pm

    Meet the next leader of Afghanistan: Abdul Ghani Baradar is veteran resistance fighter who saw off the Russians and was FREED from a Pakistani jail by Donald Trump as part of deal with Taliban

    Abdul Ghani Baradar fought in the mujahideen against the Soviets in the 1980s
    He was co-founded Taliban in the early 1990s with Mullah Mohammed Omar
    Baradar was captured in 2010 in Pakistan at the request of the US government
    But released 2018 as Trump administration believed he could help broker peace
    On Sunday, he flew from Doha to Kabul as militants stormed presidential palace

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9898321/Freed-jail-help-Donald-Trump-Abdul-Ghani-Baradar-head-Afghanistan.html


    'I have grave questions about his ability to lead our nation': Obama's Ambassador to Afghanistan Ryan Crocker slams Biden and says his disastrous Afghanistan policy might prove he's unfit to be commander in chief

    Ryan Crocker was appointed ambassador to Afghanistan in 2002 and 2011
    He said the avoidable nature of the situation is what makes it 'all so sad'
    Taliban insurgents quickly took over Afghanistan in the final weeks of US pullout
    Joe Biden's drawdown of US military presence is a continuation of Donald Trump's 2020 peace deal with the Taliban, excluding the Afghan government
    Crocker blames Biden for keeping up with Trump's decision
    A Biden adviser blamed Afghan troops for letting Kabul fall, but Crocker said the US effectively 'sold out' the forces that worked with them for 20 years
    He said the Taliban would be 'meaner and tougher' than they were in 1996
    A veteran US diplomat who headed the Kabul embassy twice - including in 2002 soon after it reopened after five years of Taliban rule - said he has 'grave' concerns over President Joe Biden's ability to lead the United States after Afghanistan fell to the insurgent group once again on Sunday.

    Former Ambassador to Afghanistan Ryan Crocker on Monday called the Taliban's takeover a predictable 'self-inflicted wound' to US foreign policy.

    'That's why this is all so sad,' Crocker said.

    Like many officials he was surprised at how quickly the war-torn country was taken, he told The Spokane Review - but that the 'trajectory' was inevitable.

    'What President Biden has done is to embrace the Afghan policy of President Trump, and this is the outcome,' Crocker said.

    'I'm left with some grave questions in my mind about his ability to lead our nation as commander-in-chief...to have read this so wrong - or, even worse, to have understood what was likely to happen and not care.'

    Accounts of the extremist group's brutal treatment of civilians and Afghan soldiers who surrendered have pushed thousands to flee the capital, despite the Taliban's promises of no retribution and to let people leave if they wished.

    Biden adviser Jake Sullivan mounted the administration's defense and blamed Afghan troops who 'ultimately decided that they would not fight for Kabul' on NBC Monday morning.

    And while Sullivan praised the evacuation effort, Crocker said it showed 'a total lack of coordinated, post-withdrawal planning on our part.'

    Crocker said it's Biden's draw down of US troops following former President Trump's peace agreement with the Taliban that's at fault.

    'We've spent the last almost two years delegitimizing the Afghan government and its security forces,' he said.

    'It is not exactly a climate in which these young troopers can be reasonably expected to hold that line, having been sold out by us.'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9898555/Afghanistan-ambassador-Obama-says-grave-concerns-Bidens-ability-lead-US.html
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:49 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Remind you of anywhere?

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    Uzbekistan scored a bonanza Cool (minus its own crashed MiG-29 ofc)

    15 Super Tucanos. That's a respectable fleet



    Also at least some Black Hawks



    46 aircraft in total

    Meanwhile Tajikistan didn't do so bad either Cool

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    Post  Airbornewolf Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:55 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Airbornewolf wrote:Complete anarchy at Kabul airport.

    Afghan's rush C-17 wanting to start take-off. AH-64 charges in to scare them off.
    C-17 rolling down runway with people near its gear and under the wings.

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1427171566291464193

    Well,...i guess Brad pitts world war Z jeruzalem airport scenes are possible in real-life after all.

    Airplane scene from Tom Cruise's Mission Impossible - Rogue Nation however not so much..



    I had to look up that one, but you are right.
    Even no safety harness was going to save them from the bitter-cold temperatures and oxygen deprivation at high altitude.
    There was this vid of one Afghan sitting on an C-17 wheel carriage waving goodbye to his fellow countrymen as the aircraft took off.

    Like he was going on some magic carpet ride to far away lands of untold riches.
    Not to dehumanise or anything, but there is just not one shred of common sense that this plan might affect their general health on an utmost negative manner in the very near future.

    Anyway, two more vids of the airfield chaos:
    at 00:20, they look like vehicles the Turkish Army uses.



    Where hundreds of afghan's ran onto the runway:


    Also at this moment 3 large U.S aircraft took off from Qatar and look anyway at this moment of posting to head for afghanistan:

    an B52:
    https://www.flightradar24.com/GRIMM22/28cec59d
    an 2x KC-135 Tanker:
    https://www.flightradar24.com/28cec96c
    https://www.flightradar24.com/28ceca83

    I dont know their destinations, but they fly together for an while now without changing their order of flight.
    Qatar is the middle eastern base for operations. so it just might be Kabul might become operational again.
    Or they are underway for an strike or loiter in the area of kabul in case it is needed.
    I can't imagine it is comfortable to be shoved as an human being into an rotary magazine bay of an B-52 for transport.

    Also an C-130 is flying to Afghanistan:
    https://www.flightradar24.com/CREEP57/28ce3735

    Edit:They switched off Transponders. Definitely going for Afghanistan.


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    Post  Mir Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:27 pm

    In stark contrast.

    A picture of the very last Soviet soldiers to leave Afghanistan.

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    A Guard of Honour for their Soviet brothers - leaving in orderly fashion.

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:43 pm

    Makes sense now. The Afghan President brought the Assad curse upon himself and his country No

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:27 pm

    More of this idiocy

    Didn't anyone tell these guys that the wheels would retract into the fuselage?
    Then again it'd be enough for the plane just to speed up and tilt upward for everybody to fall off

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:34 pm

    Mir wrote:
    A Guard of Honour for their Soviet brothers - leaving in orderly fashion.

    The "funny" part of that is, that SU functionally brought Afghanistan 40 years forward, starting with the Band-e Sardeh dam, and Kabul polytechnic, and all the major infrastructure and social programs they fulfilled..
    Roads, tunnels, railways - all of that used to be constructed with Soviet power and money.
    Just take a look at USAID official web, where they clearly state, that the main goal is ... to maintain the Soviet build infrastructure Laughing
    Would be funny, if not tragic Embarassed
    It is something really hilarious, as far as you own at least two brain cells to collide.
    In 15 years, they managed to reconstruct a whole of 200+ km of roads, and refurbish one of the turbines settled at Kajaki dam, build by a US company, paid by the Afghans, upgraded by the Russkies, and bombed by the US - rebuild with US taxpayers $ a few years later Laughing Laughing

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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:38 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Makes sense now. The Afghan President brought the Assad curse upon himself and his country  No


    I think he is in Oman or something now. Tajikistan didn't want him knowing they will have more problems on their hands if they kept him.

    Since you are in Russia, care to explain what the authorities are planning? Do they plant to reinforce the borders between Tajikistan and Afghanistan? Any new deals with Uzbekistan?
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    Post  ALAMO Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:42 pm

    They already did, Mike.
    A series of summer training was implemented, some high-level meetings including Shoigu.
    I guess it will end up with another Russian base. scratch

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