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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed Nov 16, 2022 7:36 am

    MIL.PRESS FLOT
    November 16, 2022 at 9:07 Subject: Navy

    The source spoke about the support for communication between the command post of the Il-80 and strategic nuclear submarines


    The Il-80 air command post, also known as the "doomsday aircraft", was tested to communicate with submarines through the water column. On Wednesday, November 16, RIA Novosti reported, citing an informed source.
    "The Il-80 was tested for communication with strategic nuclear missile submarines that are submerged. The aircraft is able to maintain stable communication with the submarine through the water column," the agency's interlocutor said.

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    Image source; Modernweapon.ru

    He clarified that communication between the aircraft and the submerged submarine is ensured by ultra-long waves, through an extended submersible communication antenna towed by the submarine.
    Il-80 is a command post created on the basis of the Il-86 civil airliner. It is designed to control troops in a nuclear war, which will lead to the failure of ground control points, nodes and communication lines, therefore aircraft of this type in the West are called "doomsday aircraft".
    According to open sources, there are four such aircraft in the Aerospace Forces. All of them made their first flight in 1985.

    In 2015, Aleksey Komyakov, General Director of NPP Polet, spoke about the development of third-generation air command posts based on the Il-96-400M. Later, the general director of the United Instrument-Making Corporation, Alexander Yakunin, said that such aircraft would appear in Russia in 5-7 years.

    In 2016, the United Instrument-Making Corporation announced that a draft design of a new command post had been created.

    In July 2021, there were reports in the press about the production of the first command post based on the Il-96-400M.

    https://flot.com/2022/%D0%92%D0%BC%D1%8425/

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    Post  Kiko Mon Jul 03, 2023 9:14 pm

    How to strengthen Russian air reconnaissance, by Evgeny Pozdnyakov for VZGLYAD. 07.03.2023.

    Experts: Russia needs to strengthen its aerial reconnaissance not only qualitatively, but also quantitatively.

    Sergei Shoigu announced the need to modernize the AWACS A-50 aircraft. This model has proven itself well in the NWO. However, the number of threats and challenges facing Russia requires not only a qualitative increase in this area, but also a quantitative one. How exactly could the domestic military-industrial complex solve this problem?

    Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu, as part of a conference call with the leadership of the Russian Armed Forces, said that A-50 early warning and control aircraft (AWACS) need to be modernized to improve the efficiency of solving problems. This was reported on the official website of the military department.

    Shoigu noted that these systems are actively used within the framework of the NWO. He stressed that the Taganrog Aviation Scientific and Technical Complex named after G. M. Beriev is engaged in the repair and modernization of this model under a state contract.

    Recall that the A-50 is an AWACS aircraft created on the basis of the military transport Il-76. This model itself finds, identifies and accompanies air, ground and sea targets. He transmits all information about them to command posts, and also independently directs fighters and front-line aircraft to enemy targets.

    According to open data, in its latest modifications, the A-50 can track up to 300 air targets, it sees an enemy bomber for 650 km, a cruise missile for 215 km. In addition, thanks to the improved radio-technical complex, the A-50U is able to detect even relatively small targets, such as drones.

    The importance of these devices for SVR cannot be overestimated. It is also recognized by the enemy. In May, the Armed Forces of Ukraine planned to carry out a terrorist attack using a UAV at the Severny military airfield in the Ivanovo region. According to the FSB, the A-50s were the targets of the Ukrainian military.

    And on February 26, at the Belarusian military airfield Machulishchi, saboteurs tried to undermine the A-50, reminds  Kommersant . Two drones were found at the scene. Later, President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko announced the  arrest  of someone involved in the attempted sabotage. And on local television  they showed  a video with the A-50 aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces.

    In connection with these attacks, the AWACS models available to the RF Armed Forces are of paramount importance. In addition, gradually due to the actions of NATO countries outside Ukraine - primarily in Poland and the Baltic countries - the need for AWACS aircraft continues to grow. That is, according to experts, Russia needs not only to modernize the existing A-50s, but also to look for a simple and cheap alternative to them in the here and now mode.

    Military expert Ilya Kramnik in his Telegram channel noted that the lack of specialized equipment can be overcome with the help of the An-12, having put the appropriate equipment on them. For example, the H035 Irbis radar "at the first stage is removed from the Su-35 fighters under repair." According to the expert, the number of models that undergo repairs is generally constant. Given the fighting and intensive flights, there are "not as few of them as we would like."

    “In the future, it will be possible to ship several new ones. Information from the radar and cameras is fed to 4-6 operator workplaces, equipped in the cargo compartment. The output is something like Nimrod AEW in native aspens. As a fallback option, you can use the Tu-154, which the Air Force has enough in storage, but this option will become more expensive,” he argues.

    “Thus, during the year the Russian Federation will receive about six aircraft with a loitering duration of about eight hours. In this case, the equipment complex will be sufficient to detect the overwhelming number of targets in the theater of operations. In two years, it will be possible to create about one and a half dozen such models,” the expert believes.

    “After the start of the NMD, Russia's need for reconnaissance aircraft has increased significantly. This is dictated by simple reasons: the area of ​​necessary control has increased. An existential issue was the improvement of existing surveillance systems not only for Ukraine, but also for the Baltic countries and Poland,” said Vladimir Popov, retired major general, honored military pilot of the Russian Federation.

    “Of course, ground stations do their job well, but monitoring the situation from flying command posts and location systems is much easier and faster. And here we are faced with the main problem: the available A-50s are critically few to perform such tasks," the expert emphasizes.

    “In this regard, the question arises of increasing the number of our reconnaissance aircraft and their modernization. Technical approaches also need to be rethought.

    Roughly speaking, it is possible to significantly reduce the size of the locators, thereby freeing up space for more electronics. It will also be possible to equip the aircraft with antenna systems, add not only a circular, but also a side view,” Popov emphasizes.

    “In addition, it would be nice to integrate the existing systems into a single air defense structure, combine them with air and sea components. As a result, we will get a well-coordinated version of airspace control, with which you can track dangers in all strategically important directions,” the source notes.

    “In principle, such tasks are partially solved by the development of the Taganrog Aviation Scientific and Technical Complex named after Georgy Beriev A-100. Nevertheless, modernization projects of this kind will bear fruit only in 3-4 years, and it is important for us to get the result now,” the expert believes.

    “In my opinion, the use of the An-12 with the placement of side-scan radar is a pretty good idea. This is a reliable model that will allow closing the gap in the intelligence sphere. By and large, many transport aircraft can be adapted for the use of radar systems,” the interlocutor emphasizes.

    “Nevertheless, such decisions should be considered only as temporary. Russia needs to create a reliable unified intelligence system, within the framework of which the modernized A-50 and A-100 are indispensable,” Popov sums up.

    https://vz.ru/society/2023/7/3/1219426.html

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    Post  Hole Mon Jul 03, 2023 9:39 pm

    An-12 is 60+ years old. And its cargo hold is not pressurized. That´s why only a handful of airborne command posts were build before the
    role was taken over by the Il-18.

    Short-term solution could be the accelerated production of Ka-31/-35 helicopters while an AWACS version based on the Tu-214 is developed.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Jul 04, 2023 4:12 am

    Airships should also be explored too....
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    Post  Mir Tue Jul 04, 2023 4:07 pm

    Although not an AWACS/AEW aircraft I would think a far more pressing need would be to to get several more Tu-214R's into service. They also have a couple of jobless Tu-214ON's around that could be far more useful as Tu214R's or even AEW aircraft. Radar equipped blimps could also work well but they could be very vulnerable to small plastic drones laden with explosives.

    More attention should also be given to dedicated ECM aircraft that can replace the ancient An-12PP and the Il-22PP's of which too few are available. Something that can also have some nasty effect on snooping satellites. Not knocking them out but just enough white noise and blurry images would be good Smile

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    Post  AMCXXL Tue Jul 04, 2023 11:17 pm

    Mir wrote:Although not an AWACS/AEW aircraft I would think a far more pressing need would be to to get several more Tu-214R's into service. They also have a couple of jobless Tu-214ON's around that could be far more useful as Tu214R's or even AEW aircraft. Radar equipped blimps could also work well but they could be very vulnerable to small plastic drones laden with explosives.

    More attention should also be given to dedicated ECM aircraft that can replace the ancient An-12PP and the Il-22PP's of which too few are available. Something that can also have some nasty effect on snooping satellites. Not knocking them out but just enough white noise and blurry images would be good Smile

    The An-12PP have already been replaced by the Il-22PP, it is clear that this is transitory.
    As for the Il-20M and IL-22M, they are supposed to be gradually replaced by Tu-214R, Tu-214PU and others, but the program was stopped some years ago, I think now it will be retaken

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Tue Jul 04, 2023 11:51 pm

    AMCXXL wrote:The An-12PP have already been replaced by the Il-22PP, it is clear that this is transitory.
    As for the Il-20M and IL-22M, they are supposed to be gradually replaced by Tu-214R, Tu-214PU and others, but the program was stopped some years ago, I think now it will be retaken

    Any An-12 still airworthy is to be used only for its intended use (tactical transportation).

    It would be a different issue If they were still in production, but I believe they would also not be ideal in that role (adapted as AWACS).
    The Tu-214 is the best opportunity now, either with new production now, or with used ex airliner once they will be replaced by MC-21 after 2030 (before that the number of MC-21 will not be sufficient to replace the new built tupulev

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    Post  GarryB Wed Jul 05, 2023 7:49 am

    Regarding Airships I was thinking operating at significant altitudes where threats from enemy drones would be minimised.

    With modern composite materials being strong and light and fire resistant and radar transparent you could fill the internal structure of a rather large airship with an enormous range of different radar antenna in a range of different frequencies and actually running them would generate heat which would be useful for an airship.

    But I think regarding the case at hand I think the suggestion of the An-12 is largely because it is big enough without being too big so it has capacity of equipment and sensors but is not so big it is expensive to keep airborne for long periods.

    In such a situation perhaps aircraft like Il-114 and Il-112 might also be of interest, but I agree that in the longer term Tu-214 would be an excellent aircraft to base replacements for Il-20/22 and other older intel platforms.

    They could probably do with replacements for the Su-24MR based on the Su-34, and I seem to remember they were testing jammer aircraft based on the Tu-22M3 and the Il-76 which the latter won because with four engines it had more available engine power takeoff so the extra electrical power from four engines enabled more powerful jammers to be carried.

    There are likely a range of types in service they could probably do with replacing including VIP transports etc etc.

    They had a few UAVs designed for AEW type roles and recon that would be interesting to push forward too, like those Zond types which included one model with an external radar array if I remember correctly.

    Finding uses for old Antonovs is going in the wrong direction in my opinion.
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    Post  franco Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:18 pm



    Rostec handed over to the Russian Aerospace Forces (VKS) another modernized A-50U long-range radar surveillance and guidance aircraft complex. This was reported on September 22 on the state corporation’s website .

    “The Ruselectronics Holding and the United Aircraft Corporation (both companies are part of the Rostec state corporation) have supplied the troops with the next modernized A-50U long-range radar surveillance and guidance aircraft complex. The aircraft can detect new types of aircraft, and is also capable of simultaneously tracking a larger number of targets and guided fighters than the previous modification [of the aircraft],” the report says.

    Modern equipment has made it possible to reduce the weight of the aircraft and increase the flight range and time in the air when performing combat missions.

    The modernized board is equipped with new electronics with greater performance and speed. This made it possible to increase the capabilities of functional software. New LCD monitors of greater size and resolution have made it possible to increase the efficiency of the aircraft's radar situation display system, and improved aircraft ergonomics have reduced the fatigue of the tactical crew. In addition, the aircraft was equipped with a new flight and navigation system.

    “As a result of modernization, the aircraft received new technical equipment, which increases the speed and range of detection of air, ground and sea targets, and the effectiveness of countering the enemy. The aircraft was modernized as part of the program for updating the AWACS aircraft fleet, provided for by the state defense order,” the corporation reported.

    According to the general designer of the Vega concern, which is part of Ruselectronics, Vyacheslav Mikheev, A-50U aircraft quickly detect Ukrainian air targets in the special operation zone.

    He emphasized that another such aircraft was recently handed over to the fighters. In addition, it is planned to complete the modernization of another such complex in the near future.

    Earlier, on January 15, the Ministry of Defense reported that the A-50U helped detect the majority of the destroyed Ukrainian Armed Forces fighters . According to defense department specialists, they ensure the dominance of the Russian Aerospace Forces in the skies above the Northern Military District zone. It was noted that the aircraft’s radar has no “dead zones” and is capable of detecting fifth-generation aircraft. The A-50U detects a missile launch at a distance of 800 km and can simultaneously see more than 300 targets.

    Prior to this, on November 5, a researcher at the US Center for National Interest, Mark Episkopos, called the updated version of the Russian A-50U reconnaissance aircraft one of the main secrets of Russian defense and intelligence success . The scientist noted that the Russian aircraft can simultaneously track about 300 ground or 40 air targets.

    The A-50U is a modernized model of the A-50, developed during Soviet times. The newer model can detect and track more targets. In addition, the planes received fuel-efficient engines, which allows them to stay in the air longer. The A-50U can detect an enemy aircraft 600 km away.

    https://iz-ru.translate.goog/1577813/2023-09-22/rostekh-peredal-vks-rossii-modernizirovannyi-samolet-drlo-50u?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

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    Post  AMCXXL Sat Sep 23, 2023 8:48 pm

    franco wrote:

    He emphasized that another such aircraft was recently handed over to the fighters. In addition, it is planned to complete the modernization of another such complex in the near future.



    This is the 8th modernized A-50U (perhaps Nº50 RF-50601), after Nº 33, 37, 41, 42, 43, 45, 47

    Then there are another A-50 pending modernization, the 9th to complete the squadron (probably Nº51 RF.50606)

    The Nº52 was transformed in a A-100LL (flight laboratory for Beriev testing)

    After that the next shoud be start the delivery of A-100 for a second AWACS squadron

    Also is needed replacement for Il-20M and Il-22´s, probably more Il-214

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    Post  Hole Sat Sep 23, 2023 10:57 pm

    There are still some A-50s in service. Maybe they should start modernizing them. Could be enough for half a squadron.
    When the A-100s are being delivered they could bring the squadron up to strength first.
    In the end a third squadron wouldn´t hurt.
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    Post  AMCXXL Sun Sep 24, 2023 3:50 am

    Hole wrote:There are still some A-50s in service. Maybe they should start modernizing them. Could be enough for half a squadron.
    When the A-100s are being delivered they could bring the squadron up to strength first.
    In the end a third squadron wouldn´t hurt.

    There are no more A-50s in service, the rest of the Soviet heritage has been in storage for 20 years or was simply scrapped.
    There is only one squadron with 9 AWACS aircraft, which are part of the 610th Training Center in Ivanovo, along with an Il-76 training squadron and another squadron with Il-20, Il-22. An-26 and Mi-8

    Here are several old and decrepit A-50 stored in Ivanovo
    https://www.google.es/maps/place/Iv%C3%A1novo,+%C3%93blast+de+Iv%C3%A1novo,+Rusia/@57.0575557,40.9948159,106m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x414d1423afe9a7c3:0xe25ab9c4547ae2e!8m2!3d57.0050671!4d40.9766453!16zL20vMDNxX2tx?entry=ttu

    If the fleet is expanded, it is most likely that there will be a separate AWACS regiment with two squadrons of A-100/A-50U and the third squadron of IL-20-22 or their substitutes as Tu-214
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    Post  George1 Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:06 am

    AMCXXL wrote:

    There are no more A-50s in service, the rest of the Soviet heritage has been in storage for 20 years or was simply scrapped.
    There is only one squadron with 9 AWACS aircraft, which are part of the 610th Training Center in Ivanovo, along with an Il-76 training squadron and another squadron with Il-20, Il-22. An-26 and Mi-8

    Here are several old and decrepit A-50 stored in Ivanovo
    https://www.google.es/maps/place/Iv%C3%A1novo,+%C3%93blast+de+Iv%C3%A1novo,+Rusia/@57.0575557,40.9948159,106m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x414d1423afe9a7c3:0xe25ab9c4547ae2e!8m2!3d57.0050671!4d40.9766453!16zL20vMDNxX2tx?entry=ttu

    so there are 7 (the biggest number) A-50s for modernization.
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    Post  AMCXXL Sun Sep 24, 2023 10:58 am

    George1 wrote:

    so there are 7 (the biggest number) A-50s for modernization.

    I highly doubt it, that thing that is left aside in a corner of Ivanovo looks like junk, it has probably been cannibalized, the next thing to arrive will be the A-100, whose prototype is currently participating in the Special Military Operation.

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