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    Russian MRLS: Grad, Uragan, Smerch, Tornado-G/S

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    Post  Hole Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:49 pm

    Some guy on another forum mentioned that the container of the Burevestnik cruise missile looks quite similar to the containers of the Uragan-1M.
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    Post  dino00 Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:28 pm

    Grad rocket launcher can be doubled

    The launcher being developed provides for a second ammunition with mechanized charging on a single chassis with artillery units from the BM-21 jet system

    MOSCOW, February 4. / TASS /. The Main Missile and Artillery Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is developing the Grad multiple launch rocket system with doubled ammunition and a mechanized reloading system mounted on a single chassis. This is stated in the thematic collection "Rocket-technical and artillery-technical support of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation - 2018".

    "The launcher being developed provides for a second ammunition with mechanized charging on a single chassis with an artillery unit from the BM-21 jet system. As a result of these changes, the firepower of the launcher being developed doubles in comparison with the analogue, since the launcher can produce two successively volley and 80 shots, "- says in the collection.

    It is noted that the reloading time will be reduced from 6.5 to 2 minutes. The crew will be reduced from four to two people. The combat vehicle will allow firing from the cockpit without preparing a firing position.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6077582

    80 rockets for launcher is what this means? Very impressive upgrade
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    Post  Hole Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:53 pm

    Its damn time. Czech version from the 70´s.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:32 am

    I always thought the Czech design was pointless... because being hand loaded the second volley of rockets would take time to load into the launchers to fire both volleys... the whole point of the system is to launch and then move... if you want to fire 80 rockets then put 80 launch tubes there and fire them all together and then move.

    When you get to the new firing point you can worry about reloading again, but don't fire and then reload and fire because the first volley will clearly mark your launch position and while you are reloading every enemy weapon in the area will be getting ready to rain crap on your position... you should not be reloading... even if it only takes 2 minutes... you should be moving to a new position and reload there... you should have time to do so...
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    Post  xeno Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:01 am

    Exactly.
    It doesn't make any sense from tactical point of veiw.
    The only advantage that I can see is to reduce cost as you can have only two soldiers to operate one Grad instead of four, although you need to pay for this automatic reloading system,  machine will always be cheaper than people...
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    Post  dino00 Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:56 pm

    Troops can get a new high-precision complex with a cruise missile

    The complex is a distributed network of autonomous transport-launch modules with cruise missiles, controlled from the command and control vehicle.

    MOSCOW, February 5. / TASS /. A new high-precision tactical-level missile system (VTRK) with a cruise missile, capable of increasing the efficiency of performing tasks in tactical depth by 20%, is being created in Russia. This is stated in the article by the staff of the 3rd Central Scientific Research Institute (CRI) of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation in the thematic compendium "Rocket-technical and artillery-technical support of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation - 2018".

    As follows from the materials of the article, the complex is a separated network of autonomous transport-launch modules with cruise missiles, controlled from the command and staff vehicle, the enemy is detected and target designation is carried out from unmanned aerial vehicles. Thus, the ability to provide continuous support to troops with fire strikes is most fully realized, while the time for their preparation and application is minimal. "Studies show that as a result of equipping high-profile missile complex formations and units of the Ground Forces, the concept of reconnaissance-strike network can be realized, allowing you to increase the efficiency of the performance of fire tasks of rocket forces and artillery in tactical depth by 15-20%" .

    As a result of the research, the main advantages of using such a high-precision rocket complex were revealed. This is a modular construction, container placement of missiles, remote control of target designation and launch, as well as low visibility for enemy reconnaissance. There is a wide range of missions for striking and "practical invulnerability for counterbattery".

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6080755

    I put here because for me its looks like tornado-S with Cruise missiles talked about years ago.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Apr 02, 2019 5:39 am

    Nikolay Makarovets, the father of modern MLRS (head designer of Tornado-G, Tornado-S, Uragan-1M) has died...R.I.P.

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    Post  PhSt Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:22 am

    Russia to showcase advanced projectile for Tornado-G rocket systems at Brazil arms show



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    MOSCOW, April 1. /TASS/. Russia’s Techmash (part of the state hi-tech corporation Rostec) will for the first time feature a high-explosive fragmentation shell of the enhanced capacity for Tornado-G multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) at the Laad arms show in Brazil, the company’s press office said on Monday.

    "Techmash of the Rostec Corporation will for the first time demonstrate a projectile with the high-explosive fragmentation warhead of the enhanced yield for Tornado-G MLRS at the Laad-2019 Latin American venue," the press office said.

    The shell that has been developed by Techmash’s Splav Research and Production Association is designated to strike both sheltered and unsheltered manpower, unarmored and light armored hardware, command posts and other targets.

    "The shell can be fired to a range of 5 - 20 km. The projectile can operate in a combat environment with temperatures ranging from minus 50 degrees to plus 50 degrees Celsius. The munition is twice as effective as the standard projectile for the Grad MLRS," Techmash said.

    Techmash will also feature another product developed by Splav: the new-generation S-80FP 80mm air-launched rocket with the high-explosive fragmentation piercing warhead designated to hit isolated and multiple targets.

    The Tornado-G is a 122m multiple launch rocket system derived from the Grad MLRS. The new system can conduct fire from unprepared positions in an automated mode. This allows quickly opening fire, after which the gunner can switch the system’s artillery gun into a travel mode directly from the vehicle’s cab and change the position.
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    Post  Isos Sat Apr 27, 2019 11:05 pm

    https://www.urdupoint.com/en/world/russian-forces-conduct-1st-combat-launches-fr-607544.html

    First combat tests during an exercice of Tornado-S MLRS.

    120km max range satelitte guided with Glonass. Replace bm-30 smerch and probably toshkas (??).
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    Post  GarryB Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:37 am

    AFAIK Tochka is gradually being withdrawn with the Iskander and its variants being the main replacement.

    What is not clear is what they are planning... this new vehicle can certainly replace the Smerch because it can carry two pallets each with 6 x 300mm rockets, which basically equates to the 12 ready to fire 300mm rockets on Smerch, but requiring loading of tubes, while the new model has pre loaded pallets of rockets of different calibre.

    There will be forces that used to use Uragan and Smerch and there will be forces that use Grad.

    It seems there is a Grad replacement in the form of the Tornado-G, which does not use a pallet based system and is just an upgraded Grad vehicle.

    The Tornado-S has a pallet based system which appears to have pallets holding 300mm Smerch rockets, 220mm Uragan rockets, and 122mm Grad rockets, so the Tornado-S can perform the role of Smerch, Uragan, or Grad as needed, by holding two pallets of 300mm, 220mm, and 122mm rockets.

    There was also a light truck model that unlike the new Tornado-G actually also carried rocket pallets and could therefore carry a single pallet of any of the three calibres of rockets making it half as powerful as the original Grad or the Smerch or Uragan depending on which calibre rockets it carried but being a smaller lighter cheaper vehicle you could probably operate it with lighter more mobile forces, so it could operate where a Smerch or Tornado-S could not operate.

    It would also mean that for naval use on river boats you could have any number of pallets on turret mounts for shore artillery use.
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    Post  Hole Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:56 am

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    The vehicle in the pic of the link is the Uragan-1M. Tornado-S looks like Smerch, "just" with new electronics and rockets.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:39 pm

    But that is confusing because Uragan has a 220mm rocket and has 16 launch tubes, and if you look in the photo you just posted the two pods of 6 rockets look smaller than the Smerch vehicle next to it with 12 x 300mm tubes with three lots of four tubes... I thought the 6 rocket pod held 300mm rockets but it is clearly smaller in this photo.

    Personally I thought the picture you have posted was the Tornado-S next to the Smerch, but in this case the central vehicle in the image has a sign in front of it calling it the Uragan-1M and is loaded with tubes holding what appear to be 220mm Uragan rockets (based on the bigger 300mm tubes on the vehicle next to it)... and it is clearly named Uragan-1M and not Tornado-S

    Ironically if you look up the English translation of the word Smerch, it lists Tornado, Whirlwind, Hurricane, and Storm as alternative English translations, whose Russian retranslations are Tornado, Vikhr, Uragan, and Shturm.

    The new vehicles are supposed to be called Tornado-S and Tornado-G, Vikhr is the ATGM carried by the Hokum attack helo and now Mil helos too, Uragan is of course this:

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    and shturm is the second model ATGM carried by Hinds ( AT-2 swatter is first and AT-6 shturm is the second).

    This is the light vehicle I was referring to above:

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    So this is all very confusing... is the Uragan-1M also the Tornado-S, being a vehicle platform able to carry two pallets at a time that hold rockets of three different calibres at any one time?

    The Tornado-G is an upgraded version of the Grad that does not use pallets, so an upgrade of the Uragan would make sense to replace the Uragan and Smerch as its ability to carry 220mm and 300mm as well as 122mm rockets in pallets would allow it to replace both in terms of capacity for fire, while being lighter and cheaper and much more flexible.

    The new light vehicle that only carries one pallet would make it more flexible than a Grad, so in a way it could be a replacement for the Zil Grad that was lighter than the standard Ural Grad... it was easily identifyable because it only has 36 rocket tubes instead of 40 on the Ural.

    There was another version of the Grad that was pretty much indistinguishable from the Grad that fired only special anti saboteur rockets for the navy called the DP-62 or something...
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    Post  franco Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:16 pm

    The "G" is an improved version of the Grad. The "S" is an improved version of the Smerch while the "U" is the multi caliber (pallet) version. For usage from my understanding, the "G" provides direct unit support, the "U" will provide Combined Arms Army support and the "S" will provide Military District support.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:35 am

    So the light single pallet model is for mountain forces or air mobile forces or light recon forces or export?
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    Post  franco Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:40 pm

    GarryB wrote:So the light single pallet model is for mountain forces or air mobile forces or light recon forces or export?

    Not sure... certainly would have it's use for Air mobile Rapid Deployment.
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    Post  GarryB Sat May 04, 2019 2:15 pm

    Slevin, this post is not relevant to this thread, and because you repeated this post on the correct relevant threads I will delete this post rather than move it to where it is more suitable...

    Would remind you that it is a forum rule that you introduce yourself here:

    https://www.russiadefence.net/f6-member-introductions-and-rules
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    Post  dino00 Mon May 06, 2019 10:39 am

    "Tornado-S" will receive shells of greater range and accuracy with new combat units

    Work on further improvement is also going on the Tornado-G multiple launch rocket system.

    "Currently, work is underway to further improve the ammunition of the MLRS Tornado-S. It is planned not only to increase the range and accuracy of shooting, but also to expand the range of tasks that solve this system’s ammunition by creating projectiles with new types of combat units" said Lepin.

    According to him, similar work on further improvement is being carried out on the Tornado-G 122-mm rocket launcher.

    Lepin noted that due to their high characteristics, the MLRS of the new generation Tornado-G and Tornado-S have good export prospects. “We plan to work in this direction,” the agency’s interlocutor said in conclusion.

    Full article
    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6403915
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    Post  George1 Wed Sep 25, 2019 1:55 am

    New contract of the Ministry of Defense of Russia on MLRS "Tornado-S"


    According to the newspaper Kommersant, in a material by Dmitry Astakhov, Motovilikhinsky Plants will be loaded in one gulp. The group that entered into a major contract for the Tornado-S MLRS, CJSC SKB, in which, after the bankruptcy of the Motovilikhinskiye Zavody, the defense industry was concentrated and received the first major military order. It's about the supply of multiple launch rocket system (MLRS) "Tornado-S". According to Kommersant’s interlocutors, the contract may amount to 6–7 billion rubles, which will be enough to produce about 20 cars. According to experts, the fact that the Motovilikhinsky factories themselves are still in bankruptcy proceedings will not affect the implementation of the contract.

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    Fighting vehicle 9A54 modernized 300-mm multiple launch rocket system 9K515 "Tornado-S" (s) popmeh.ru

    CJSC Special Design Bureau (SKB, part of the Motovilikhinskiye Zavody group) has signed a contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense, sources told Kommersant. According to them, at a meeting of the board of directors of enterprises of Motovilikhinsky district on September 20, it was announced that a major defense contract would be concluded that “will allow the enterprise to develop stably and preserve jobs.” From Motovilikhinsky Zavody, the meeting was attended by an adviser to the head of the holding, Aleksey Antipov. The press service of Motovilikhinskiye Zavody declined to comment.

    According to Kommersant’s interlocutors, we are talking about the manufacture and supply of combat and transport-loading vehicles from the Tornado-S MLRS. The contract between the Special Design Bureau and the Ministry of Defense was concluded in the summer, the equipment should be transferred to the state customer in 2020. The size of the contract and its volumes were not disclosed. In informal conversations, top managers at Motovilikha factories talk about volumes of up to 6-7 billion rubles. Based on this, about two dozen MLRS Tornado-S can be delivered.

    The enterprise responsible for the implementation of defense contracts was Motovilikhinskiye Zavody PJSC, but since March 2018, the parent organization managing the holding has been in bankruptcy proceedings. The volume of accounts payable exceeds 17 billion rubles. The main creditor is Rostec Group of Companies. PJSC employees were employed in subsidiaries of the Ministry of Health. Thus, SKB CJSC focused on defense issues, and Motovilikha - Civil Engineering (MGM) LLC - on civilian products. For previously concluded contracts with the Ministry of Defense, PJSC MH responded.

    The transition of the holding business to subsidiaries is noticeable in the dynamics of financial indicators. So, according to the results of 2018, SKB increased revenue from 295 million rubles. to 1.5 billion rubles., At the same time, the loss also increased - from 60 million rubles. up to 1.2 billion rubles. MGM reported revenue growth from 2.2 billion rubles. to 7.3 billion rubles., The loss increased from 164 million rubles. up to 355 million rubles. At the same time, Motovilikhinsky Plants reduced revenue from 11 billion rubles. up to 4.2 billion rubles, reducing the loss from 9.8 billion rubles. up to 3.3 billion rubles.

    “Tornado-S” is a modified version of the highly effective MLRS “Smerch” and passed state tests in 2015. It can hit targets both in one gulp and single high-precision missiles, and also use adjustable ammunition. The firing range is up to 120 km.

    Gennady Kuzmitsky, the former general director of the Perm Perm Powder Plant, believes that the army will continue to order special products at MH enterprises, despite the bankruptcy of the parent company — there is nowhere else to produce these products. According to Mr. Kuzmitsky, the bankruptcy of the parent company does not pose a threat to the subsidiary fulfilling the defense contract: the funds for its execution go to special accounts, which the tax service and creditors cannot impose interim measures.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3785087.html
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    Post  George1 Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:08 pm

    Contract for Tornado-S MLRS

    According to Kommersant, Perm-based ZAO Special Design Bureau (SKB) received a contract worth 6-7 billion rubles ($93-$108 million) to produce 20 combat systems for the Russian MOD. The paper’s sources say the contract is for Tornado-S multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) and transport-reload vehicles. The equipment is to be delivered in 2020.

    The 12-tube, 300-mm Tornado-S (9K515) MLRS is a “deeply modernized” version of the Smerch. It reportedly features GLONASS satellite navigation, automated fire control, and 9M542 PGMs. Unlike earlier systems, Tornado-S gives specific flight profile data to each rocket. Its effective range is 120 km.

    Tornado-S first entered the inventory in late 2016. Smerch was accepted for service in 1989.

    The new 9K515 weapons system includes the 9A54 launch vehicle and 9T255 transport-reload vehicle.


    The 20 systems in the contract likely include 16 launch vehicles (two battalions of eight) and four transport-reload vehicles (two per launch battalion).

    The Russian MOD is using new Tornado-S MLRS to build a heavy rocket launcher brigade at the district level in each of its four MDs. In Soviet times, each MD (front) disposed of its own rocket launcher brigade, typically four battalions of 18 40-tube, 122-mm BM-21 Grad systems.

    Those “brigades” look like this now:

    Western MD…Tver…79th Brigade…three battalions of Tornado-S…12 launchers.
    Southern MD…Znamensk…439th Brigade…??? battalions of Tornado-S…??? launchers.
    Central MD…Shchuchye…232nd Brigade…two battalions of 220-mm Uragan…16 launchers.
    Eastern MD…Novosysoyevka…338th Brigade…2-3 battalions of Uragan…16-18 launchers.
    But these are more like rocket battalions than the brigades of old days.

    The first Tornado-S deployments began in 2017 in the Western MD and continued in the Southern MD in early 2019.

    It seems likely the Tornado-S systems due in 2020 will go to the Central or Eastern MD before the Western or Southern get more.

    Kommersant detailed the poor financial status of ZAO SKB. Its parent, long-time sole producer of Russian MLRS Motovilikhinskiye Plants is bankrupt. SKB was split away to keep creditors at bay. The rest of Motovilikha is supposed to retool to make civilian products. The growing problem of insolvency in Russia’s OPK is worthy of a look.

    https://russiandefpolicy.blog/2019/09/29/contract-for-tornado-s-mlrs/
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    Post  GarryB Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:06 am

    The best way to deal with debt is not repeat mistakes that created the debt in the first place and produce products and work your way out of debt...

    BTW what civilian stuff are they making... I would be happy to buy some interesting stuff if they made it and I could use it...
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    Post  dino00 Mon Oct 07, 2019 11:11 pm

    "Tornado" after the "Grad": the latest reactive systems will protect Crimea

    Troops of the Southern Military District received upgraded MLRS


    ...The maximum firing range of the Tornado-G is 40 km and in the future it can be increased to 100 km. The combat capabilities of the new system have been expanded with new rocket ammunition...


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    Post  George1 Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:28 pm

    Defense firm delivers final batch of latest Tornado-G rocket systems to Russian troops


    The work to repair and upgrade combat vehicles of Grad multiple launch rocket systems to the Tornado-G level has been implemented in full and on time, according to the official statement

    MOSCOW, November 12. /TASS/. Russia’s Defense Ministry has received the final batch of the latest Tornado-G multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) this year under the defense procurement plan, the press office of RT-Capital (part of the state hi-tech corporation Rostec) reported on Tuesday.


    "The Special Design Bureau integrated into the Motivilikha Plants (within Rostec) has dispatched the final batch of combat vehicles of Tornado-G multiple launch rocket systems to units of Russia’s Defense Ministry under the defense procurement plan," RT-Capital said in a statement.

    The work to repair and upgrade combat vehicles of Grad multiple launch rocket systems to the Tornado-G level under the 2019 program has been implemented in full and on time, the statement says.

    The Motivilikha Plants are Russia’s sole manufacturer of combat and transporter-loader vehicles for Grad and Smerch multiple launch rocket systems and also of their upgraded Tornado-G and Tornado-S versions, the press office informed.

    The Tornado-G is a 122mm multiple launch rocket system derived from the Grad MLRS. The new system can conduct fire from unprepared positions in an automated mode. This allows quickly opening fire, after which the gunner can switch the system’s artillery gun into a travel mode directly from the vehicle’s cab and change the position.

    The system has been developed by the Splav Research and Production Association integrated into the Tecmash Group within Rostec. As its major advantages, the system features better fire efficiency, more powerful shells and automated guidance, sighting, topographic positioning and navigation systems. The Tornado-G was accepted for service in the Russian Army in 2014.

    https://tass.com/defense/1088279
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    Post  flamming_python Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:35 pm

    From last year

    A Zaslon Centre invention; S-80 rockets volley fired as a short-range fire support system.
    Like on all those makeshift technicals in conflicts around the world

    Well it might be interesting for some of the ultra-light battallions Russia is developing. Or more likely, perhaps the Syrians or Iranians, who are big on their their technicals and light mobile firepower. But problem is that they can just come up with such systems themselves.

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    Post  Regular Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:45 pm

    So wheeled vehicles are getting traction in Russia? Why is that? It's silly to be dependent on infrastructure in a country with such geography like Russia. Or this will go to Rosgvardiya?
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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:35 pm

    Regular wrote:So wheeled vehicles are getting traction in Russia? Why is that? It's silly to be dependent on infrastructure in a country with such geography like Russia. Or this will go to Rosgvardiya?


    They are building infrastructure

    And any war that would require massive number vehicles to move off-road like in WW2 would be handled by nukes anyway so why bother?


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