Russia-Iran S-300 missile systems deal

Viktor wrote:

sepheronx wrote:

GarryB wrote:The US government has come out and said S-300 sales would not be effected by UNSC resolutions and lets face it... they would say black is white if it suited them...

The fact that US now is stating that Russia is responsible for the failed sale, that they now owe Iran money. Of course they will say that Black is white if it suites them. This is an in your face to Russia and Russia fell for it.

Well, Russia should made the delivery with one S-300 battery free of charge and settle that problem once and for all.

Anyway, Iran will need new planes and new nuclear power plants and other so Russia can jump in.

Of course they will say that Black is white if it suites them. This is an in your face to Russia and Russia fell for it.

Well, Russia should made the delivery with one S-300 battery free of charge Very Happy and settle that problem once and for all.

That would depend on what sort of back-door deal Russia made with the West, but then again if it's not in black and white (paper) they might as well jump in, there is money to be made of a country who's sovereignty is being threatened by a foreign warmongering aggressor/conquerer.

GarryB wrote:I would suspect the US and Israel made all sorts of threats and promises to get Russia to stop the deal at the time...

GarryB wrote:Iran has said it doesn't want the money... it wants the deal to be back on so it can have the missiles.

GarryB wrote:That wouldn't make it any money though... perhaps a better solution might be to offer to sell them Su-35s or Mig-35s, or perhaps Mig-29M2s or Su-30SMs to update their air fleet?

The Iranians seem content to build models and learn combat aircraft design from a 1960's perspective. I could come up with all sorts of hilarious theories about why they just don't seem to want to let go of their US-built aircraft, and none of them are technological.

Israel is still threatening to blow them up if delivered. I still don't know why they think this is such a big deal. What happened to their announced ability to defeat the S-300 series?

Iran is waiting for a response from the Russian Federation to the proposal to withdraw the claim on the C-300


MOSCOW, June 7 - RIA Novosti reported. Iran expects Russia's response to the proposal to withdraw the claim on deliveries of S-300, said Friday the Iranian Ambassador to Moscow Mahmoud Reza Sajjadi.

"At the moment the ball on the side of Russia, but we are ready to continue cooperation on the C-300", - he said.

Iran sued for $ 4 billion to the International Arbitration Court of Geneva to the Russian company "Rosoboronexport" in the case of cancellation of the contract for the supply of S-300 systems. According to media reports, Tehran is ready to withdraw the claim for delivery of S-300, if Russia implements this contract.

The head of Rostekhnadzor Chemezov said last week that Russia has little chance of winning the lawsuit filed by Iran's non-realization of the contract for sale of air defense systems S-300, and Moscow is trying to "now negotiate with Iran to sign the settlement agreement, but to no avail."



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Iran Rejects Russia’s S-300 Substitute Offer

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Viktor wrote:Haha, Russia proposed TOR-M2 as substitute for a S-300

Iran Rejects Russia’s S-300 Substitute Offer

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TR1 wrote:I don't get why Iran thinks it has the upper hand in these demands.

Russia has the right to refuse a deal, UN sanctions or not. It returned any money Iran paid, and while I can understand Iran seeking some compensation, this multi billion suit is a farce.

If I was Iran I'd be making concessions and convincing arguments from behind the scene, not making this public debacle.

GarryB wrote:

This one is interesting.  Any information on this?  Cause Antey-2500 is quite old and figured that it would have tested successfuly quite some time ago against real targets.  Unless there is a newer missile?

Antei-2500 is S-300VM and is not that old... and to be honest I think will suit Iran much better than the truck based S-300. Performance figures like the ability to engage 16 ballistic targets at once with RCS of 0.02m2 at speeds of up to 4.5km/s or up to 24 aerodynamic targets at once suggest a very capable system...

Russia Offers Iran New Replacement for S-300 – Paper wrote:LINK

Austin wrote:Recent statement by Iran President saying they would support Syria as long as Russia would support them means they are more alligned to on this issue.

http://english.ruvr.ru/2013_07_02/Iranians-will-stand-by-Syria-as-long-Russia-stands-by-it-as-well-Ahmadinejad-8198/

I believe Iran would be better served by opting for S-300VM is more mobile and has ABM capability atleast as good as PAC-3.

SOC wrote:It it the S-300VM or nothing at this point?

SOC wrote:I thought the S-300P series went out of production.

SOC wrote:Also, that is an older S-300V in the image, not a VM!

Putin to offer advanced antimissiles to soothe Iran’s S-300 grudge – report

Russian President Vladimir Putin may visit Tehran next month, according to a newspaper report. Among other things he is to discuss with Iran’s new president is a possible deal to supply advanced antiballistic missiles to the Islamic Republic.


Russia is offering Iran to purchase S-300VM Antey-2500 air defense systems, according to defense industry sources. It’s a cousin of the S-300 long-range surface-to-air missile family. S-300s were developed for the Soviet air defense forces, but the ground forces, an organizationally distinct branch of the army, wanted a similar system tailored for their own needs. On their order the S-300V was developed and later upgraded to the better S-300VM version.

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Viktor wrote:And some nice words coming out of Rogozin - I think S-300VM is in the pipeline

Moscow may negotiate sales of systems similar to S-300 to Iran only if suits withdrawn - Deputy PM Rogozin

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Russia could supply Iran with five battalions of S-300VM "Antey-2500"


According to media reports, this topic will be discussed on Friday during the first meeting of Russian President Vladimir Putin, the new president of Iran Hassan Rouhani in the margins of the SCO summit in Bishkek.



MOSCOW, Sept. 11 - RIA Novosti. Russia is ready to supply Iran with five battalions of S-300VM "Antey-2500" (modified export version of the S-300V), subject to review Tehran's claim "Rosoboronexport" $ 4 billion for the failure of the previous contract, wrote in a Wednesday newspaper "Kommersant" quoted a source close to the Kremlin.


The contract to supply Iran with five battalions of S-300 (modification of PMU-1) cost about $ 800 million was signed in 2007. Three years later, the UN Security Council adopted a resolution on Iran, which has introduced sanctions against him, including a ban on the transfer of modern weapons. In September 2010, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev signed a decree on measures to implement the resolution, introducing a tougher Iran sanctions than provided by the decision of the UN Security Council. There was, in particular, canceled a contract to supply S-300. Iran has filed a lawsuit against Rosoboronexport to arbitration in Geneva. Russia offered to make peace, promising new supply of air defense missile systems "Tor-M1E" but such an exchange of Iran did not accept.


According to the paper, this topic will be discussed on Friday during the first meeting of Russian President Vladimir Putin, the new president of Iran Hassan Rouhani in the margins of the SCO summit in Bishkek. In addition, according to the newspaper, it will be the construction of Russia and the second power plant in Bushehr. High interest in such a transaction expressed during his recent visit to Moscow, the former president of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.


A spokesman for the Russian President, Dmitry Peskov, the proviso that the Kremlin "does not detail the agenda of the upcoming talks," however, confirmed to the newspaper that the two topics will be discussed during the meeting between Vladimir Putin and Hassan Rouhani. "They will discuss cooperation in the atomic energy sector, including in the context of the Bushehr nuclear power plant - the subject can not be avoided," - he said, adding that "the issues of military-technical cooperation is also on the agenda."


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collegeboy16 wrote:So this 4 billion$ would be new payment ( less already paid) or is it the settlement obtained that is fulfilled with s300vm?
IMO, this would be great since s-300p series has always been the center of attention by the othrr side and thus has more countermeasures aimed against it.