Syrian Civil War: News #5

GunshipDemocracy wrote:if this is true then how they want to move those masses of people to support terrorists? then clash with SAA seems to be  inevitable as IMHO this is main reason to use them. I wonder if caliber-nukes start being used?

CNN: Riyadh allies are preparing for 150 thousand military action in Syria

http://ria.ru/syria_chronicle/20160206/1370482179.html

MOSCOW, 6 Feb — RIA Novosti. Saudi Arabia and its allies among the Arab countries prepare up to 150 thousand troops for a possible operation in Syria against the group "Islamic state" (IG, is prohibited in the Russian Federation), according to the sources of the TV channel CNN.

Advisor to the Saudi Minister of defense Ahmed Asiri said Thursday that the country is ready to send troops to participate in a ground operation in Syria, provided that it coordinates the command of the international coalition led by the United States. He suggested that such a decision can be made at the NATO summit in Brussels next week. The U.S. Secretary of defense Ashton Carter confirmed that at the NATO summit will discuss with the representatives of Saudi Arabia the initiative.

I think(just me thinking here), that both Russia and Iran would love this, the Saudis involved on two fronts, the Whabbis getting killed on two fronts would be great, the price of oil would go up, the same goes for the Turks, it would be way easier to start a major civil war inside Turkey.

Senator: su-35 in Syria - a signal to those who want to violate the agreement


"In my opinion, this can be addressed simultaneously and as a signal to those who try to arbitrarily redefine the ways of solving the Syrian problem despite the previously reached agreements" said the Deputy Chairman of the Federation Council Committee on defense Franz Klintsevich.


http://ria.ru/syria/20160205/1370334454.html

par far wrote: I think(just me thinking here), that both Russia and Iran would love this, the Saudis involved on two fronts, the Whabbis getting killed on two fronts would be great, the price of oil would go up, the same goes for the Turks, it would be way easier to start a major civil war inside Turkey.

I am not sure if this is os easy - Saudis do nothing without US permission. Same with Turks. As for logistics yes they have in turkey.

How do they cope without UN approval? like always: Assad is nondemocratic so we have to help Syrian nation to chop his head with blunt blade. And eventually Putin to Hague (now only in media)

Hassan Ridha ‏@sayed_ridha  23 hours ago  
Ammunition, weapons & supplies seized by #SAA in Atman #Daraa

Situation becomes more interesting the closer the SAA get to the Jordanian border. Jordanians will keep silent or lend a hand?

GunshipDemocracy wrote: Senator: su-35 in Syria - a signal to those who want to violate the agreement


"In my opinion, this can be addressed simultaneously and as a signal to those who try to arbitrarily redefine the ways of solving the Syrian problem despite the previously reached agreements" said the Deputy Chairman of the Federation Council Committee on defense Franz Klintsevich.


http://ria.ru/syria/20160205/1370334454.html

par far wrote: I think(just me thinking here), that both Russia and Iran would love this, the Saudis involved on two fronts, the Whabbis getting killed on two fronts would be great, the price of oil would go up, the same goes for the Turks, it would be way easier to start a major civil war inside Turkey.

I am not sure if this is os easy - Saudis do nothing without US permission. Same with Turks. As for logistics yes they have in turkey.

How do they cope without UN approval? like always: Assad is nondemocratic so we have to help Syrian nation to chop his head with blunt blade. And eventually Putin to Hague (now only in media)

You are right but would the Saudis risk a second front. I don't think that they can pull that kind of crap in the UN anymore(not to the past level).

i personally think Saudi's are blowing hot air. If you really look at this,

One- they can't really send this amount of manpower to Syria,

Two- they are currently struggling with Houthis and Yemeni army and lets face it they are getting there arse kicked and losing a lot of equipment.

Three- they don't really have a good place for base of operations and logistics to carry out this.

Four- they can't afford to, despite having billions in reserve they are currently facing years of austerity measures due the oil crisis and add all this onto the costs of fighting the houthis etc including the costs of hiring mercenaries, and the loss of equipment in this, as well backing up the rebels in Syria with weapons and financial aid. Saudi Arabia now need to tighten there belt buckles and watch what they spend.

Five- getting the UN to agree

Six- they would get there arse kicked by ISIS, Kurds, Iranians, and SAA+RuAF.


As for the Turks then they would be foolish to invade, and if they ever did it would be by USA's backing which yet again would be foolish as when it all goes wrong USA's will wipe their hands of Turkey and put all the blame on them and Turkey will have to carry the consequences of there actions which won't be good.

d_taddei2 wrote:i personally think Saudi's are blowing hot air. If you really look at this,

One- they can't really send this amount of manpower to Syria,

Two- they are currently struggling with Houthis and Yemeni army and lets face it they are getting there arse kicked and losing a lot of equipment.

Three- they don't really have a good place for base of operations and logistics to carry out this.

Four- they can't afford to, despite having billions in reserve they are currently facing years of austerity measures due the oil crisis and add all this onto the costs of fighting the houthis etc including the costs of hiring mercenaries, and the loss of equipment in this, as well backing up the rebels in Syria with weapons and financial aid. Saudi Arabia now need to tighten there belt buckles and watch what they spend.

Five- getting the UN to agree

Six- they would get there arse kicked by ISIS, Kurds, Iranians, and SAA+RuAF.


As for the Turks then they would be foolish to invade, and if they ever did it would be by USA's backing which yet again would be foolish as when it all goes wrong USA's will wipe their hands of Turkey and put all the blame on them and Turkey will have to carry the consequences of there actions which won't be good.

Base: Jordan is a nice shiny base location. Only "bright spot".
Money: Indeed it's a 50 billion USD/Q deal. Especially if they start hiring people around the world.
Quality: Pretty much the weakest point of KSA and "allies". At this rate having Central Asians in unifiorm or in ISIS garb would be kif-kif.
Projection. KSA doesn't have the tools to move 150K troops around for "ISIS". Also the moment a KSA plane pops up in Syrian Sky, Turkish precedent etc...

Any news or maps from Latakia?

@Tadei &&

KoTeMoRe wrote:
Base: Jordan is a nice shiny base location. Only "bright spot".

Turkey?

Money: Indeed it's a 50 billion USD/Q deal. Especially if they start hiring people around the world.

They still have like AFSAIK $600 bln in reserves, so 1/10 of this to achieve strategic goal might be anacceptable loss

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Quality: Pretty much the weakest point of KSA and "allies". At this rate having Central Asians in unifiorm or in ISIS garb would be kif-kif.
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People? Egypt, Sudan, Lybia whenever money help (Ukriane?) Turkey?
Equipment: with their amount spent fo rnew one if they use older form depots might be just fine.

Projection. KSA doesn't have the tools to move 150K troops around for "ISIS". Also the moment a KSA plane pops up in Syrian Sky, Turkish precedent etc...

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and here we got US - logistics, "advisors" elint you name it

UN? well Assad s a " war criminal" same as Milosevic was I eman defend your nation against west is enough to be a criminal that has "no moral right" to sty in power.

OK OK I know that moral rights and western regimes is an oxymoron

Theres an T-90 which /fires/ it's main gun in this video! woo~

Shadåw wrote:Theres an T-90 which /fires/ it's main gun in this video! woo~

One of the tanks (at 1:08) is equipped with the local IR system.

Again sorry guys that im not here, busy working and traveling but still wanted to fill you in on details.

Syrian army launched massive opperations to secure its borders, Latakia, Aleppo (co-op with YPG and RuAF), and Daraa. In Daraa they want to secure highway toward the city itself, next targets are Ibta and Dael. Operation in Aleppo saw heavy deployment of Hezbollah units and units from IRGC.


Here is evidences:
Ataman, Darra


Mayer, Aleppo

Also in Mayer schools are used for storing the hell canon munition


Ratyan, Aleppo


Also some of the so called refuges


Hope this was useful. Feel free to follow Twitter posts, and wish you guys the best. When i have time i will jump in.

short_fuze wrote:

Shadåw wrote:Theres an T-90 which /fires/ it's main gun in this video! woo~

One of the tanks (at 1:08) is equipped with the local IR system.

That one was T-72.

Aldin_Aba wrote:Again sorry guys that im not here, busy working and traveling but still wanted to fill you in on details.

Syrian army launched massive opperations to secure its borders, Latakia, Aleppo (co-op with YPG and RuAF), and Daraa. In Daraa they want to secure highway toward the city itself, next targets are Ibta and Dael. Operation in Aleppo saw heavy deployment of Hezbollah units and units from IRGC.

Hope this was useful. Feel free to follow Twitter posts, and wish you guys the best. When i have time i will jump in.

Best as always Aldlin. Rock on

Bakery used as ammo factory. Ratyan, Aleppo.

KiloGolf wrote:

Aldin_Aba wrote:Again sorry guys that im not here, busy working and traveling but still wanted to fill you in on details.

Syrian army launched massive opperations to secure its borders, Latakia, Aleppo (co-op with YPG and RuAF), and Daraa. In Daraa they want to secure highway toward the city itself, next targets are Ibta and Dael. Operation in Aleppo saw heavy deployment of Hezbollah units and units from IRGC.

Hope this was useful. Feel free to follow Twitter posts, and wish you guys the best. When i have time i will jump in.

Best as always Aldlin. Rock on

Much of your stuff finds its way here anyway.

Great stuff, keep it up.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:@Tadei &&

KoTeMoRe wrote:
Base: Jordan is a nice shiny base location. Only "bright spot".

Turkey?

Money: Indeed it's a 50 billion USD/Q deal. Especially if they start hiring people around the world.

They still have like AFSAIK $600 bln in reserves, so 1/10 of this to achieve strategic goal might be anacceptable loss

Quality: Pretty much the weakest point of KSA and "allies". At this rate having Central Asians in unifiorm or in ISIS garb would be kif-kif.

People? Egypt, Sudan, Lybia whenever money help (Ukriane?) Turkey?
Equipment: with their amount spent fo rnew one if they use older form depots might be just fine.

Projection. KSA doesn't have the tools to move 150K troops around for "ISIS". Also the moment a KSA plane pops up in Syrian Sky, Turkish precedent etc...

and here we got US - logistics, "advisors"  elint you name it

UN? well Assad s a " war criminal" same as Milosevic was I eman defend your nation against west is enough to be a criminal that has "no moral right" to sty in power.

OK OK I know that moral rights and western regimes is an oxymoron  



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Nyet Comrade.

John Kerry has messizh for tebya.

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/opposition-blame-syrian-bombing-kerry-tells-aid-workers-1808021537

"He said that basically, it was the opposition that didn’t want to negotiate and didn’t want a ceasefire, and they walked away,” the second of the aid workers told MEE in a separate conversation and also on the basis of anonymity.

“‘What do you want me to do? Go to war with Russia? Is that what you want?’” the aid worker said Kerry told her.

No US involvement in super Giant clusterfuck. Clusterfuck is big enough as it is.
Russia has said it will skewer the Turkish rats for at least another season. Expect more trash to get sorted.

This map might be useful.

Hassan Ridha ‏@sayed_ridha 2h2 hours ago

#Daraa #Syria:
Green: #JN & friends
Black: #LSY
Red: #SAA
Yellow: Captured by SAA
Blue: Possible SAA offensive

Aldin_Aba wrote:Bakery used as ammo factory. Ratyan, Aleppo.

But But it was flour that burnt black. And Russia is killing more people than Assad. And Russia is Ebil.

KoTeMoRe wrote:You know what sour grapes look like when reading this.

http://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/assad-regime-gains-aleppo-alter-balance-power-northern-syria

I would pay a pretty penny to drink some of those tears.

The last sentence simply says it all about this "article":

The current campaign undertaken by President Assad and his allies in Moscow and Tehran will be a driver of long-term disorder in Syria and the wider Middle East

What a load of shit. We are supposed to accept that the legitimate Syrian government and its President are causing "disorder" by resisting the military incursions of foreign-backed Wahabbi salafist terrorists?????? WTF is it with these think-tank whores? Do they any shred of moral decency? (*)

(*) Rhetorical question only. The answer is self-evident....

Big_Gazza wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:You know what sour grapes look like when reading this.

http://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/assad-regime-gains-aleppo-alter-balance-power-northern-syria

I would pay a pretty penny to drink some of those tears.

The last sentence simply says it all about this "article":

The current campaign undertaken by President Assad and his allies in Moscow and Tehran will be a driver of long-term disorder in Syria and the wider Middle East

What a load of shit.  We are supposed to accept that the legitimate Syrian government and its President are causing "disorder" by resisting the military incursions of foreign-backed Wahabbi salafist terrorists??????  WTF is it with these think-tank whores?  Do they any shred of moral decency? (*)

(*) Rhetorical question only.  The answer is self-evident....

See? You too would pay big money to drink those tears. Those tears are delicious, they're can cure cancer and kill Kony 2015 (or whatever).

I really think that people are over estimating the latest advances in Aleppo. that "Sealed" it from turkey. This is because even before Russia came Aleppo city was sealed. the distance between
Syrian army positions and terrorist in the main city was about 5km. So any car ,truck or supply was withing kornet range and this is not mentioning artillery.

For me the real benefit of latest advances in Aleppo is getting closer to Turkey border instead ,if they continue moving towards turkey they will be able to physically take control of their
border and seal Raqqa and most eastern Syria from Turkey but also idlib too. that will be really game changing. However this all depends if the Kurds did not betray Syria and allow Turkey or NATO to supply terrorist using their territory. Since Already something of that was happening ,
ie.. the Oil routes of ISIS to Turkey was using Kurds controlled zones. So there was effectively
a business pact between Kurds and ISIS in allowing them to travel through their territories with their trucks.  Whether Kurds were pressured at gun point to do that questionable business (ie.Allow ISIS to steal Syrian oil to Turkey) that for example or did it voluntarily because they also see positive ISIS in Syria disbanding it so they can take land for them is a different
question.  But with Russia and IRAN and Syria gov pressure and the right diplomacy they could
be managed and lured to the Russian side.

So the biggest benefit of Aleppo latest advances i think is being closer to Turkey border and posibility to close all norther Syria. but aleppo central city was unoficcially closed for months or more. The advances of Russia seems that allowed to lift the siege that terrorist had on Syrian siege on aleppo central city. and liberate kuweires airport too and some parts of the south.
But so far Aleppo central city doest look like a primary target  ,leaving a gate of 5km open
for months might be intentional ,for political reasons to not give the impression Syria is starving
a city. since is "open" by 5km window..but Syrian army controls the gate.


Liberating the city center however could not be bad either ,since it will free troops to other
front lines and damage the morale of Terrorist .