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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #23

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Feb 03, 2016 5:28 pm

    SIMFEROPOL, February 3. /TASS/. The Crimean Property Department has auctioned off the property of the nationalized sanatorium Foros near Yalta that formerly belonged to structures close to Ukrainian oligarch Igor Kolomoisky, a TASS correspondent reported from the scene.

    The property’s new owner, the Trade Union Federation of Tatarstan, will pay 1.43 billion rubles ($18.2 million) for the acquisition. Read also Office of Oschadbank Six lawsuits filed against Crimea transfer to Russian jurisdiction by Ukrainian companies Foros became the Ukrainian oligarch’s first nationalized property in Crimea put on sale.

    The funds received from the sale of the Foros property in February will be paid out to Crimean residents who suffered losses from the withdrawal of Ukrainian banks from the Black Sea peninsula, Crimea Head Sergei Aksyonov told journalists on Wednesday. "The sanatorium has been sold, the auction has been held and the winner has been declared. An agreement will be signed within 10 days.

    Payments to Crimean residents will begin in February," Aksyonov said. Compensations will be paid to depositors of Ukrainian banks whose deposits exceeded 700,000 rubles (about $9,000), the Crimean head said.

    Kolomoisky’s other nationalized property in Crimea will be sold this year, he added. "I’m confident that all the properties of Mr. Kolomoisky and all other structures affiliated with him will be sold off this year as a result of all correctly accepted procedures,’ the head of Crimea said. Kolomoisky whose wealth is estimated at $2 billion ranks among the wealthiest people of Ukraine (the 2015 rating). He is also considered as one of the most influential persons in Ukraine.

    The Crimean parliament made a decision on September 4, 2014 to nationalize Foros along with other properties owned by Kolomoisky and his Privat Group (over 80 assets).

    A criminal case has been opened against Kolomoisky in Russia. The businessman is accused of using prohibited methods of war, organizing murders, obstructing the professional work of journalists and kidnapping people. The Basmanny court of Moscow made a decision on July 2, 2014 on Kolomoisky’s arrest in absentia.

    More:
    http://tass.ru/en/economy/854261
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Feb 03, 2016 5:29 pm

    Shot in foot evidence

    KIEV, February 3. /TASS/. Ukraine’s losses on export due to Russia’s restrictions will top $1.1. bln in 2016, Governor of the National Bank of Ukraine (NBU) Valeria Gontareva said on Wednesday. "According to our estimates, restrictions on export to the Russian Federation and restriction on transit of locally-made goods via the territory of the Russian Federation may reduce our export revenues by $1.1 bln this year," she said. According to Gontareva, Ukraine will lose a total of $2.5 bln "due to the plunge of global prices."

    More:
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    Post  kvs Wed Feb 03, 2016 5:35 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Shot in foot evidence

    KIEV, February 3. /TASS/. Ukraine’s losses on export due to Russia’s restrictions will top $1.1. bln in 2016, Governor of the National Bank of Ukraine (NBU) Valeria Gontareva said on Wednesday. "According to our estimates, restrictions on export to the Russian Federation and restriction on transit of locally-made goods via the territory of the Russian Federation may reduce our export revenues by $1.1 bln this year," she said. According to Gontareva, Ukraine will lose a total of $2.5 bln "due to the plunge of global prices."

    More:
    http://tass.ru/en/economy/854273

    Banderastani exports are down by 31%. that is much more than $1.1 billion. So this is a side show story.
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Feb 03, 2016 5:49 pm

    Bit more re the Hummer possible upgrade, ha ha. Its from bmpd

    Ukraine acquired three armored vehicles SCTV February 3rd, 0:10

    American company Textron Systems in a press release dated February 1, 2016, said its unit Textron Systems Marine & Land Systems has signed a contract with Ukrainian state company "Management", which is part of Ukroboronprom, to supply the last of three light armoured vehicles SCTV (Survivable Combat Tactical Vehicles), which is a modernized version of the famous HMMWV with the armored equipment. This is the first contract for the sale of cars SCTV, has long been promoted by Textron Systems Marine & Land Systems.

    These three cars will be delivered complete to the Ukraine, and, apparently, will be used there for tests to determine the possibility of retrofitting according to embodiment SCTV part of 200 HMMWV received by Ukraine in 2015, as American military aid. In the case of a positive decision, "Ukroboronprom" intends to be engaged in such alteration at its facilities using the kits that will be delivered Textron Systems Marine & Land Systems.


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    Post  Ispan Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:15 am

    30,000 casualties in 3 months, really? What is going on?

    Assuming the Novorussian estimates are correct and not made up, and so far they have been confirmed, how there can be so many casualties in the past three months of "truce" when there are no major battles going on?

    I think two possible explanations

    1) In addition to the "position war" there is a "partisan war", instead of fighting to take ground, patrols cross the line and strike into the ukranian rearguard and second line of defense. So everything is quiet in the front, keeping the fiction of a "truce" but war goes on.


    2) Several times there have been reports of Ukranian troops concentrations we have interpreted as preparations for a major offensive, but the expected attack never happened, leaving us perplexed. I am wondering if yes, those attacks did indeed took place, but the defense is so solid that they are aborted after the preliminary probing attacks are repulsed, with the Novorussian defenders unaware that they had actually been attacked, as those attacks are not different from the "business as usual" of position warafare. Each of these failed attacks may easily cost hundreds of wounded and dead in a day.

    The attack two days ago on Donetsk and Gorlovka must have been a greater effort than usual because it was noticed by civilians, yet nothing changed.

    In addition to these there must be a massive censorship as for different reasons both sides have to pretend there is a "ceasefire".

    I would think the last intel report is completely made up, but it does fit with the expected results of my calculations, and there are sometimes bits of information that hint at the true situation. I read an interview with a Spanish volunteer that said there is no truce, war goes on as before, just as with the first truce. Sometimes there is news of a sudden spike in the flow of wounded to Ukranian hospitals in the rearguard, the latest last month, around the time of US vicepresident Bidden visit, and indirect confirmation is that the junta keeps calling up more levvies. Why would they need to call so many troops from older age groups if they aren't suffering casualties? Even if there is troop rotation due to discharging those that have served for over a year it means there must be casualties in the thousands.

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    Post  Erk Thu Feb 04, 2016 12:02 pm

    Ispan wrote:30,000 casualties in 3 months, really? What is going on?


    It's actually 28.000 casualties since the conflict began, not the past 3mths.

    At year’s end, the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights reported that there were now more than 28,000 casualties in Ukraine since the war began, including more than 9,000 killed.
    http://www.ukrweekly.com/uwwp/as-war-in-east-continues-ukraine-moves-westward/
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    Post  Ispan Thu Feb 04, 2016 4:02 pm

    Erk wrote:
    Ispan wrote:30,000 casualties in 3 months, really? What is going on?


    It's actually 28.000 casualties since the conflict began, not the past 3mths.

    At year’s end, the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights reported that there were now more than 28,000 casualties in Ukraine since the war began, including more than 9,000 killed.

    Obviously you haven't been paying attention. Actual casualties up to Minsk-2 are much, much larger than the UN says. Those 9,000 killed are just civilians, and just what the Novorussians have reported on Lugansk and Donetsk. No word about Slavyansk and the rest of the occupied zone.

    Known Ukranian military losses are confirmed as 10,000 killed:

    3,200 confirmed identified dead, 1,500 out of 2,000 missing presumed dead as the Novorussians only accounted for 500, and 7,500 unknown soldiers buried.

    More details here

    http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150775


    EDIT: After writing to Khepesh I have realized there is another way of looking at it.



    Something is clearly wrong. Ukranian side can't have suffered another 30,000 casualties in 3 months since there is only low level intensity war going on, though there are occasional attacks that go unreported.

    There is another way of looking at it. The report that came out in November was provisional. Presumably more info has been obtained that has revised previous estimates upwards until 45,000 killed, most of them during the major battles of 2014 and the Debaltsevo pocket. That means the Novorussians estimates of Ukranian losses back then were far below actual inflicted ones.

    Still, if the intensity of the fighting is similar to the first truce, that means 100 daily casualties (about 20-30 dead and double that wounded) , after three months, that is another 10,000 casualties. that's the nightmare of positional warfare, the constant attrition in the long run is fatal.

    It would be sustainable but the huge losses soaked up all the replacements from the first drafts and after Debaltsevo they can't get hold of enough recruits as these flee conscription, so the Ukranian forces are getting very few replacements and poorer quality. Most of the new recruirs go to replace the soldiers discharged after one year of service, but if on top of it you add battle casualties, a constant trickle, that explains why Ukranian army didn't get bigger and is not winning the war by attrition. It simply lacks the manpower. And the lost materiel can't be replaced.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:28 pm

    Mass Exodus of Western Businesses From Ukraine
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    Post  zg18 Fri Feb 05, 2016 1:18 pm

    Lugansk military exercises

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    Post  zg18 Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:31 pm

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    http://defence-blog.com/army/rebels-held-large-scale-military-exercises-in-eastern-ukraine.html
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    Post  auslander Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:24 pm

    zg18 wrote:Lugansk military exercises


    Looks to me like LNR/DPR armed forces have been rather well trained. I liked the Thoma skirts on the BMP's also, they do work. Just think, 20 months ago our compatriots were up there in small groups with a hodge podge of weapons donated by the local Militsya and DAI and counting every cartridge they had.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:42 pm


    ^^ And this is why all that talk about ukrops taking over Donbass is load of BS.

    If they tried again they would be pulverized.

    NAF was not sitting on it's ass all this time it seems. thumbsup
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    Post  TheArmenian Fri Feb 05, 2016 7:24 pm

    auslander wrote:
    zg18 wrote:Lugansk military exercises


    Looks to me like LNR/DPR armed forces have been rather well trained. I liked the Thoma skirts on the BMP's also, they do work. Just think, 20 months ago our compatriots were up there in small groups with a hodge podge of weapons donated by the local Militsya and DAI and counting every cartridge they had.

    They got you fooled Auslander.
    These are not BMPs, they are BTRs with side skirts added.
    The Ukrops will think they are Armatas.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:40 pm

    So now we know where reports about Armata's in Ukraine come from. Laughing
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    Post  mack8 Fri Feb 05, 2016 10:14 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:
    auslander wrote:
    zg18 wrote:Lugansk military exercises


    Looks to me like LNR/DPR armed forces have been rather well trained. I liked the Thoma skirts on the BMP's also, they do work. Just think, 20 months ago our compatriots were up there in small groups with a hodge podge of weapons donated by the local Militsya and DAI and counting every cartridge they had.

    They got you fooled Auslander.
    These are not BMPs, they are BTRs with side skirts added.
    The Ukrops will think they are Armatas.

    Are you sure they are BTR? I swear i can see tracks, look at the rear when they pass by.
    Anyway, well if i would have seen that video without being told they are Lugansk troops, i would have thought they were from the russian military.
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Feb 05, 2016 11:42 pm

    mack8 wrote:

    Are you sure they are BTR? I swear i can see tracks, look at the rear when they pass by.
    Anyway, well if i would have seen that video without being told they are Lugansk troops, i would have thought they were from the russian military.
    Shows the quality of Russian training programs.

    Many still believe that a restart to the war is still inevitable. From the look of that lot the end result hasn't changed from last year. A crushing defeat. The UA HQ, who probably don't have a say in the matter, must be watching the performance of the SAA and allies, now they are operating under much closer Russian guidance, with a lot of concern. Knowing that, if they are told to strike, they will be on the receiving end of a similar onslaught.
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    Post  Guest Sat Feb 06, 2016 12:55 am

    zg18 wrote:The Situation in the Ukraine. #23 - Page 24 1369460931

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #23 - Page 24 442_28366_241437

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    http://defence-blog.com/army/rebels-held-large-scale-military-exercises-in-eastern-ukraine.html
    Now they are looking pretty close to what the Polite People looked like. Very impressive for a rebel group.

    Might be as the Russian Forces are transitioning to Ratnik gear, the NAF is finding plenty of quality equipment lying around.
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    Post  Khepesh Sat Feb 06, 2016 9:36 am

    All of the attacks in the last days made by ukrops, for instance around Gorlovka and at Kominternovo, are being reported by ukrops media as attacks by VSN. The usual Orwellian/Goebbels nonsense of course. Their "proof" that VSN are attacking is to use still photos of the battalion training exercises taking place at Torez.

    On site TSN ATO page various reports can be seen with all this nonsense  http://tsn.ua/ato

    In other news, Yarosh declared he will replace Poroshenko as next President of Ukraine http://politrada.com/news/dmitriy-yarosh-zayavil-o-namerenii-idti-v-prezidenty/ No details of how this happens, only it is his intention.

    And it is still a little difficult to fully understand Zakharchenko's motives for putting Pavel Gubarev into Yasinovataya. Anti corruption at face value, but still curious.
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    Post  Boshoed Sat Feb 06, 2016 10:33 am

    Ground view of the Video Khepesh posted.



    I'm amazed at how the NAF grew from a bunch of SKS wielding rag-tag rebels, into this.
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    Post  auslander Sat Feb 06, 2016 11:07 am

    When the orcs attack the situation will closely resemble a monkey having conjugal relations with a football and it will be the orcs who have the laces up their backs. Be prepared, in any fight with NAF Da West will scream that is it Russian Army that wiped the floor with orcs, but then that's what they have screamed all through this mess.
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    Post  zg18 Sat Feb 06, 2016 1:07 pm

    One more

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    Post  kvs Sat Feb 06, 2016 1:19 pm

    auslander wrote:When the orcs attack the situation will closely resemble a monkey having conjugal relations with a football and it will be the orcs who have the laces up their backs. Be prepared, in any fight with NAF Da West will scream that is it Russian Army that wiped the floor with orcs, but then that's what they have screamed all through this mess.

    Russia should deploy its airforce to bomb the Ukr Banderite "Daesh" to Hell.

    The western propaganda screamers won't be able to gain any more value out of accusing Russia of invading since
    like the little boy who cried wolf, they have been doing it weekly for over a year and half.
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Feb 06, 2016 2:39 pm

    Haven't seen this before, it is probably summer 2014 given the dry field and dust cloud. Massive Uragan salvo.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL3Ry7dYWqM
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Feb 06, 2016 3:00 pm

    kvs wrote:
    auslander wrote:When the orcs attack the situation will closely resemble a monkey having conjugal relations with a football and it will be the orcs who have the laces up their backs. Be prepared, in any fight with NAF Da West will scream that is it Russian Army that wiped the floor with orcs, but then that's what they have screamed all through this mess.

    Russia should deploy its airforce to bomb the Ukr Banderite "Daesh" to Hell.  

    The western propaganda screamers won't be able to gain any more value out of accusing Russia of invading since
    like the little boy who cried wolf, they have been doing it weekly for over a year and half.
    I agree but whilst the RA/RuAF will be desperate to get involved political reality may stop them doing so.

    Both sides know that whereas a breakthrough by the UA will not get far because of the defence in depth that DNR has (with Russian backup), a breakthrough by the DNR forces would be catastrophic to Kiev once it spread out. If the Russians went all in then it would just be a question of where they decided to stop and this is the problem. Stop at the oblest borders and there would probably not be that much of a problem in the West. But go any further and the spectre of the 'horde from the east' will be resurrected, especially by the US, leading to more isolation and a huge increase in 'defensive' military spend.

    Bear in mind that this is probably what many in the US want, so is something that needs to be avoided.
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Feb 06, 2016 3:38 pm

    Realism, rather than rhetoric, for a change from a senior EU politician

    Ukraine’s failure to implement its part of the Minsk peace accords could prod the EU to reconsider the sanctions it imposed on Russia in 2014, Danish Foreign Minister Kristian Jensen warned on Friday. "If Ukraine doesn't come through with the reforms linked to the Minsk peace process, it will be very difficult for Europe to continue united in support for sanctions against Russia," Kristian Jensen told Politiken. “Ukraine has a deadline. They need to push those reforms now, they can't wait,” he added.

    Earlier it was reported that the Ukrainian parliament was considering a motion to scrap visa-free travel with Russia.

    Mr. Jensen’s warning was not lost of the head of the State Duma’s International Affairs Committee, Alexei Pushkov. “The Danish Foreign Minister said what Berlin is afraid to say: if Kiev does not start implementing Minsk-2, the EU countries will lift their sections against Russia,” Pushkov wrote on his Twitter account on Saturday


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