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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #23

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:58 am


    lol1 lol1 lol1

    ''Ukraine Mulling Military Deployment to Syria – Reports''

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20160201/1034013584/ukraine-mulls-syria-military-deployment.html
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    Post  Guest Mon Feb 01, 2016 4:06 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    lol1 lol1 lol1

    ''Ukraine Mulling Military Deployment to Syria – Reports''

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20160201/1034013584/ukraine-mulls-syria-military-deployment.html
    I saw this to haha. I seriously wonder how they even plan to get there and do they trust the terrorist battalions like Azov to successfully fend of the hordes of ebin Russian troops are there in the thousands.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Mon Feb 01, 2016 8:12 am

    JohninMK wrote:U.S. Textron Systems and the Ukroboronprom State Concern will establish industrial cooperation to modernize U.S. HMMWVs at the Ukrainian defense industrial facilities to the Survivable Combat Tactical Vehicles (SCTV) with improved anti-mine and ballistic protection similar to that of MRAP (Mine Resistant Ambush Protected) protection.

    The contract was signed by Textron Systems and SpetsTechnoExport, incorporated in Ukroboronprom. The information that the contract was signed was announced by Ukraine during the International Armoured Vehicles Conference held on January 25 through January 28, 2016 in London, the press service of SpetsTechnoExport reported.

    The contract entails an initial low rate production of three SCTVs that will be delivered to Ukraine in an ongoing effort to vastly improve the survivability and mobility of their light tactical vehicle fleet as well as a possibility to use the patented Textron Systems technologies for upgrading HMMWVs at Ukroboronprom enterprises. Other details of the contract are not disclosed.

    "It features a fully-armored, monocoque v-hull crew survivability capsule designed to provide the highest levels of protection technology available in its class of vehicles. Additionally, engine upgrades and suspension enhancements provide for superior performance and mobility," the press service said.

    According to Interfax-Ukraine's sources in the defense sector, all three modernized HMMWVs will be supplied to Ukraine in 2016.


    http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/economic/321184.html

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    Post  higurashihougi Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:53 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:U.S. Textron Systems and the Ukroboronprom State Concern will establish industrial cooperation to modernize U.S. HMMWVs at the Ukrainian defense industrial facilities to the Survivable Combat Tactical Vehicles (SCTV) with improved anti-mine and ballistic protection similar to that of MRAP (Mine Resistant Ambush Protected) protection.

    The contract was signed by Textron Systems and SpetsTechnoExport, incorporated in Ukroboronprom. The information that the contract was signed was announced by Ukraine during the International Armoured Vehicles Conference held on January 25 through January 28, 2016 in London, the press service of SpetsTechnoExport reported.

    The contract entails an initial low rate production of three SCTVs that will be delivered to Ukraine in an ongoing effort to vastly improve the survivability and mobility of their light tactical vehicle fleet as well as a possibility to use the patented Textron Systems technologies for upgrading HMMWVs at Ukroboronprom enterprises. Other details of the contract are not disclosed.

    "It features a fully-armored, monocoque v-hull crew survivability capsule designed to provide the highest levels of protection technology available in its class of vehicles. Additionally, engine upgrades and suspension enhancements provide for superior performance and mobility," the press service said.

    According to Interfax-Ukraine's sources in the defense sector, all three modernized HMMWVs will be supplied to Ukraine in 2016.


    http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/economic/321184.html

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    Sooooooo that is why the U.S. send old, rotten Humvee to Ukraina. To keep U.S. enterprises like Textron from being jobless. Twisted Evil
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    Post  higurashihougi Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:41 am

    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    lol1 lol1 lol1

    ''Ukraine Mulling Military Deployment to Syria – Reports''

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20160201/1034013584/ukraine-mulls-syria-military-deployment.html
    I saw this to haha. I seriously wonder how they even plan to get there and do they trust the terrorist battalions like Azov to successfully fend of the hordes of ebin Russian troops are there in the thousands.

    Probably Porkie is trying to do what Park Chung Hee did in 196x and 7x... sending mecenaries to Vietnam and receive salary money from the U.S.... not to pay the soldier, but to fill Park's pocket.

    Korean mecenaries in Vietnam was notorious for their barbarism and their horrible war crimes. I wonder will Maidanist mecenaries commit the same thing ?
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:53 am

    higurashihougi wrote:Korean mecenaries in Vietnam was notorious for their barbarism and their horrible war crimes. I wonder will Maidanist mecenaries commit the same thing ?

    When, back then, I read "Fallaci's" "Nothing, and so be it", I can remember there were a couple of passages on this.
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    Post  Khepesh Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:46 am

    Trailer for French Canal+ documenatary about Maidan, "Ukraine: Masks of the Revolution". Kiev has asked that the documentary not be shown and also wants the French government to interfere in policy making at Canal+. There is nothing in the documentary that people here do not already know and have known for a long time, but at least it is a breach of the Western wall of silence and lies that keeps many in ignorance of the truth. French commentary, Russian voice over, English subtitles.


    And as idle thoughts, if Amur is Russia and Timur is Ukraine, is the warning slap that Amur gave Timur a sign of the future this year?
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:59 am

    Love the translation, my highlight, meaning individually built, no production line, by craftsmen. Anyone know what the box on the front is for?

    The production of armored vehicles "Dozor-B" at Lviv armored plant February 1st, 0:11

    In the course organized by the state concern "Ukroboronprom" visit the group's businesses 28 accredited in Ukraine military attachés from Western countries, 29 January 2016 was visited on SE "Lviv armored plant". In the enterprise military attaches and representatives of the Ukrainian mass media were introduced to organize serial production of light armored vehicles "Dozor-B" (our blog has repeatedly turned to the topic of production of these machines - for example, here and here).

    From the video of this visit can be seen that the production of "patrol-B" at Lviv armored plant is actually a semi-artisan character.


    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1711310.html
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:13 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    higurashihougi wrote:Korean mecenaries in Vietnam was notorious for their barbarism and their horrible war crimes. I wonder will Maidanist mecenaries commit the same thing ?

    When, back then, I read "Fallaci's" "Nothing, and so be it", I can remember there were a couple of passages on this.

    Koreans were absolute scum in Vietnam. A big part of the "early" massacres that were pinned on US troops from NVA/Viet Cong reports/propaganda did happen, but was mostly the "wet work" of Koreans. Tinh Son was horrendous. But given the South Koreans had done much much worse to their own people (Sincheon) I'm inclined to look at this bestiality as an "Anti-Communist" norm. These people were short of a couple of fuses.

    JohninMK: Those Dozors indeed are hard on the eyes (the frontlight grids are really worrisme).
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Feb 01, 2016 2:43 pm

    Khepesh wrote:Trailer for French Canal+ documenatary about Maidan, "Ukraine: Masks of the Revolution". Kiev has asked that the documentary not be shown and also wants the French government to interfere in policy making at Canal+. There is nothing in the documentary that people here do not already know and have known for a long time, but at least it is a breach of the Western wall of silence and lies that keeps many in ignorance of the truth. French commentary, Russian voice over, English subtitles.
    ...............................

    And as idle thoughts, if Amur is Russia and Timur is Ukraine, is the warning slap that Amur gave Timur a sign of the future this year?

    Goat was getting all full of itself and kept poking the apex predator. After a while el Tigre probably thought: "Wait, I am putting up with this BS because...?"  

    It actually sounds very familiar. lol1


    Also, where did you disappear Khepesh? I was starting to think that you might have taken a vacation on a certain beach in East Mediterranean.Wink russia
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    Post  Khepesh Mon Feb 01, 2016 4:02 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:

    Goat was getting all full of itself and kept poking the apex predator. After a while el Tigre probably thought: "Wait, I am putting up with this BS because...?"  

    It actually sounds very familiar. lol1


    Also, where did you disappear Khepesh? I was starting to think that you might have taken a vacation on a certain beach in East Mediterranean.Wink russia
    Egypt, not even on the beach, just tombs, then Krasnodar for a break from outside world at farm. I don't think anything big is going to happen soon in Donbass except big talk and hot air, so only excitement is about stupid goat jumping on sleeping tiger, but perhaps the analogy will come true.....
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    Post  Guest Mon Feb 01, 2016 4:55 pm



    Ukraine TV showed video of pillaging by Ukrainian forces
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Feb 01, 2016 5:52 pm

    How the hell did that get onto Ukrainian TV?
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    Post  Khepesh Mon Feb 01, 2016 8:11 pm

    What they are doing cannot be covered up forever so this is a spoiler to make it seem only a minority are involved. If they admit to a little bit of pillaging by a minority now, then the usefull idiots in Hague/EU etc will praise them for "honesty" and say there is no case to answer in the future, as Kiev is dealing with the situation. Enough people with foam in their heads will be convinced by this crap.
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    Post  Guest Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:18 pm

    JohninMK wrote:How the hell did that get onto Ukrainian TV?

    For that i do not have an answer, however... seems it did.
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:33 pm


    Visa Lifts Sanctions Against Crimea

    http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/01/visa-lifts-sanctions-against-crimea.html
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    Post  Ispan Tue Feb 02, 2016 12:10 am

    Hello, I had dropped for a while since I was disappointed that there was no Ukrainian winter offensive yet again and I am war weary, to be honest.

    For those that read Russian below is the last Ukranian losses list from Strelkov.info, seems it's the same list first compiled by Igor Fanarin back in 2014, and keeps being updated. Materiel losses are easier to confirm and mostly accurate. I am skeptical about casualties of foreigners and mercenaries, I think that is mostly made up stuff, and can be discarded as propaganda.

    The numbers are so high I was skeptical, but I rechecked my last compilation from 1 November 2015, and  it could be conceivable that the junta has lost another 12,000 non-recoverable casualties (killed and missing) in three months, November, December and January.

    If so, the trench warfare goes on as a steady meatgrinder though unreported.

    A week ago I saw on Spanish TV 24h channel a scrolling text saying that the Ukranian regime admitted 3,200 military dead. Since we know they have around 7,000 unknown soldiers in graves that amounts to 10,000 dead at the very minimum. Ukraine admitted 16,000 deserters last year, so those go into the missing cathegory. So at the very least  there are 25,000 confirmed non recoverable losses, the rest up to 45,000 does not seem so far fetched.

    For the past 3 momths, two wounded for each killed would amount to 300 daily casualties.  Everytime I go through this exercise I think is not that bad... but if it goes on and on without and end in sight the dead pile up.

    I hardly can believe these figures because there are no reports from what is really like the intensity of the combat in the frontlines. A few dozen mortar shots a day would not cause this level of casualties. Yet the numbers are consistent and what to be expected, and the junta keeps raising new levvies


    Spoiler:
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Feb 02, 2016 12:53 am

    The death toll rises and there is plenty of winter to come.

    KIEV, February 1. /TASS/. The death toll from a flu outbreak in Ukraine has reached 171, the Health Ministry’s press service said on Monday. "Since the beginning of the epidemic, a total of 171 flu-related deaths have been registered in Ukraine, including two lethal cases among children," the statement said.

    The Odessa Region in Ukraine’s south where 33 death cases were reported is hit by the epidemic most. According to the ministry, more than 3.2 million people are infected with flu, 62.9% are children under 17 years. Health Minister Alexander Kvitashvili said on January 26 that epidemic thresholds are exceeded in 18 regions. Health ministry data shows swine flu officially known as influenza virus A/H1N1 is Ukraine's most widespread strain.

    More: http://tass.ru/en/world/853697
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Feb 02, 2016 12:56 am

    I thought that 'training' exercises like this did not use live rounds. Ukraine has to do it for real of course!

    MOSCOW, February 1 /TASS/. Militants from Ukraine’s Right Sector radical nationalist movement and Ukraine’s Interior Ministry police units have attacked Ukrainian marines in an outskirt of Mariupol, a Ukrainian government-controlled city on the Azov Sea, Eduard Basurin, a spokesperson for the Defense Ministry of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DPR), said on Monday referring to intelligence data obtained by the republic’s intelligence service.

    "On January 28, a group of Right Sector militants jointly with Ukraine’s Interior Ministry police units attacked a column of the 36th marine brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. One armored personnel carrier and two trucks were destroyed in the fight that followed. There were dead and wounded from both sides. Police and army leaders arrived at the scene," the Donetsk News Agency quoted Basurin as saying.

    According to the DPR Defense Ministry, Right Sector provocateurs had organized the attack. They had wrongly informed the police headquarters that the DPR forces had allegedly broken the line of contact in the Mariupol direction. "Nikolai Poboiny, the head of the Mariupol national police department of Ukraine’s Interior Ministry, issued a personal order to set up an ambush.

    For the moment, the army and law enforcement bosses are doing everything to prevent the fact from leaking into the media. The wounded soldiers have been taken to hospitals in the country’s central regions," Basurin added.

    The DPR Defense Ministry has reported numerous clashes among various Ukrainian army and law enforcement units in Donbass. Shooting incidents between servicemen of the Ukrainian armed forces and various voluntary units have been reported in the directions of Gorlovka, Donetsk and Mariupol.

    http://tass.ru/en/world/853666
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    Post  higurashihougi Tue Feb 02, 2016 5:23 am

    Ukrainian regular armed forces have never been on good term with the facist "volunteer" units, after all. Kyiv's regular soldiers do not really want to open fire at their own brethens and fellows, while facist "volunteers" will gladly do so.

    And that is the reason why Maidan openly said that it would recruit more and more foreign "volunteers" aka mecenaries.

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    https://www.rt.com/business/330972-yatsenyuk-nord-stream-complaint/

    Kiev has filed an official complaint to the European Commission regarding Russia's Nord Stream-2 pipeline, Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseny Yatsenyuk announced during a meeting with Slovakia’s Foreign Minister Miroslav Lajcak, Monday.

    Wow, wow, wow, what a face

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:08 pm

    That's a photo to frighten the kids with!

    Anyway, it wasn't supposed to happen like this. Instead of paying the happy chappies in Kiev last year $9.9B they have had to exist on $6.7B and are now effectively pleading with the IMF for their next handouts, expecting it to arrive in the 'next couple of weeks' for months. Whilst the IMF seems to be reluctant to hand over anymore into that corrupt moneypit.

    So on the one hand, we have loads of promises from the politicians in the US/EU for money and support, yet in the background, kinda hidden from general MSM view, the IMF, which they control, is doing its best to throttle the cashflow.

    Ukrainian authorities could this week send the updated Memorandum of Economic and Financial Policies in the framework of the Extended Fund Facility (EFF) program to the International Monetary Fund (IMF), which will enable the fund within two or three weeks to consider the issue to Kyiv of the third tranche in the amount of SDR1.18 billion ($1.63 billion), Head of the National Bank of Ukraine (NBU) Valeriya Gontareva has said.

    "I hope we will send the memorandum this week," she said at a meeting with the European Business Association (EBA) in Kyiv.

    Gontareva noted that the recent discussion of the draft memorandum with the IMF management in Davos, which was also attended by Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko and Finance Minister Natalie Jaresko, showed that "everything is normal."

    The four-year EFF program for Ukraine totaling SDR12.348 billion (about $17 billion), opened by the IMF in March 2015, originally foresaw quarterly revisions of the program, the issue of four tranches to Kyiv in 2015, another four in 2016. However, at present the country has received only the first tranche of funds for $5 billion and the second one worth $1.7 billion.


    http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/economic/321445.html
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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:38 pm

    Militarov wrote:

    Ukraine TV showed video of pillaging by Ukrainian forces


    To pretend that there is real "freedom & democracy."


    They are willing to admit that the Ukrainian armed forces personnel have done some plundering, in order to cover up much more serious crimes, like massacring civilians.

    Similar thing happened during and after the war in Bosnia-Hercegovina (1992-1995), when the Western sources admitted that the Bosnian Muslims were guilty of "some discrimination of non-Muslims" but these same sources were totally silent on that they were also massacring ethnic Serbs (like those around Srebrenica).


    So it is a clever admission of a relatively "minor transgression" in order to cover up really serious crimes.

    Brilliant, is it not?
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    Post  higurashihougi Wed Feb 03, 2016 9:26 am

    Head of the Consular Department of the Vietnam Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Mr. Lý Quốc Tuấn has just had a meeting with Ukrainian Ambassador at Hanoi Aleksiy Shovkoplias.

    The meeting is about the incident of 2 Feb 2016, when a number of Ukrainian policemen raided Vietnamese settlement in Làng Sen, Odessa. Ukrainian policemen vandalized and sabotage some of the dwellings, took a large amount of money and properties, and arrested a number of Vietnamese people.

    The raid happened near the Vietnamese New Year, therefore it caused considerable shock and panic amongst Vietnamese population in Ukraina.

    Mr. Lý Quốc Tuấn wanted the Ukrainan goverment to quickly release the arrested people, return the money back to the Vietnamese citizens, and hasten the process of investigation. Mr. Aleksiy Shovkoplias promised to inform the Ukrainian goverment about Vietnam's request and promised to inform Vietnam about any new development as soon as possible.

    http://vov.vn/nguoi-viet/de-nghi-ukraine-som-tra-tu-do-cho-nhung-nguoi-viet-bi-bat-tai-lang-sen-475552.vov
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    Post  Ispan Wed Feb 03, 2016 10:00 am

    Probably you have seen this already but there was a major attack yesterday. Confirms the earlier reports from vk.strelkov


    http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/02/kiev-attempts-breakthrough-in-donetsk.html

    Kiev Attempts Breakthrough in Donetsk, Residents Demand Removal of UAF From Donbas

    The situation in Donbass has worsened. On the 1st of February, German Chancellor Angela Merkel held a joint briefing with President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko, who said that the Ukrainian side is doing its utmost to fulfill the Minsk agreements, and it's to the credit of the Ukrainian President. But how actually is the situation in Donbass, and who is in breach of the Minsk agreements, the Ukrainian armed forces today are clearly demonstrating the answers.

    The UAF attempted a breakthrough on the Northern outskirts of Donetsk, with continued shelling of the Kuibyshevsky district of the capital of the DPR, Zaytsevo village on the outskirts of Gorlovka shudders from the shells of the Ukrainian security forces.

    According to the Ministry of Defense of the Donetsk People's Republic, for the past day the UAF shelled DPR 109 times. Moreover, the Ukrainian security forces violated the ceasefire with the use of technology prohibited by the Minsk agreements. During the shelling the UAF used mortars of calibres of 120 mm, 46 times – 82 mm mortars 53 times and used AGS and small arms 10 times.

    There has been heavy fire tonight in Zaytsevo village, situated to the north of Gorlovka. According to the DPR, the UAF fired on a DPR-controlled part of the village for half an hour. From the position of the Ukrainian side there was about 80 minutes of caliber 82 and 120 mm. A resident of the village was hit, due to the wounds she received the woman is in the hospital.

    The shelling damaged more than 10 houses - the following houses were destroyed: on the street of General Kondratenko 110 to 150, St. Lacis 16, 215, 36, St. Rybalko 210, Karbysheva str. 67, street Poletaeva — half of the street was destroyed. At the moment the shelling of zaytsevo continues, snipers are also present.

    This morning at about 11 o'clock, the Ukrainian security forces staged a breakthrough attempt in Donetsk - between the "Volvo-center" and the village of Sands. The attempt failed, however, the UAF continues to intensively the bombardment of the area, with the rockets falling on residential areas of the Kuibyshevsky district of the Donetsk People's Republic.

    In addition, the settlements of Shirokaya Balka in the West of Gorlovka, Lozovo in the Yasinovatsky area and Gabishevo and Spartacus were under fire from the Ukrainian security forces.

    Residents of the Donetsk People's Republic are in a panic. As was reported by people on social networks, in the village of Zaytsevo, the locals can't get out of their basement as the shelling continues.

    "We have the Minsk agreements, they simply do not work. Yesterday Poroshenko met with Merkel, she gave him the command at the "FAS", and now Zaytsevo is under fire, and October in Kuibyshevsky rattles, the UAF in Donetsk are trying to break through," said the resident of Donetsk - Vyacheslav.

    As was reported by the news agency "Kharkiv", a resident of the capital of the DPR, Svetlana, today, the situation really escalated, with incessant noise all day, not only in Donetsk but in Makeyevka.

    "Today Donetsk is shaking, and the Windows shake. I imagine that there is something going on around the outskirts.

    My relatives live in Makeyevka and Yasinovataya, I called them, they are also restless, all day today we heard that somewhere nearby there is a fight.

    How much longer will it all continue? Today, I heard that the UAF tried to break into Donetsk, so what is it? Can they not be pushed so that they can never break into our territory? How are we going to suffer, to sit in our cellars, to die?

    It is clear already that the UAF do not abide by the Minsk agreements, they don't care, they have one goal — to get our lands and destroy us. The militia can push our borders from invaders, but we adhere to the "Minsk-2". We have orders, and them?" — Svetlana is indignant.

    Meanwhile, the authorities of the Donetsk People's Republic increased the punishment of citizens for violation of the curfew imposed in the DPR.

    From now on, violators can be detained for up to 15 days. This tightening was introduced due to the revitalization and intensification of fighting in Donbass. These changes became known from via the message of the press service of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the DPR. Note that the corresponding decree was approved by the head of the Republic Alexander Zakharchenko.

    "On the territory of the Republic there is a curfew, which applies to street movement of citizens, public and private transport, and taxis in the absence of special passes issued by the authorized state bodies from 23:00 to 05:00", — the report from the law enforcement body said.

    The Interior Ministry said that the authorities had to toughen the penalties because of the potential risk due to increased attacks by the Armed forces of Ukraine, as well as the activation of diversionary groups.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Wed Feb 03, 2016 10:19 am

    I said some months ago that pushing the frontline just 15-15 kilometers west would impact the life in Donetsk dramatically and allow normal life and rebuilding of the city.

    Not sure I am ever going to see that. Rolling Eyes

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