Mustafa wrote:so does russia really want war with us and is not interested in calming down ? And no, we wontstand down if russia attacks turkmen people. this is very serious thing for us. And we wont back down.
If Russia is killing Turkmen people then provide proof.
All I see is that it's killing Islamists. And Turkey can call them the 'opposition', FSA, or now the new name - Turkmen. It's the same thing, just different labels. Al-Nusra, Al-Sham, all these terror groups, they get their supplies through this border region, they fight on the same side (it's all 'FSA'/rebel territory), etc...
That is plain and simple not true. Beside that our own research found out the oil trade is done from a russian citizen.
beside that we dont see how russia is against ISIS, so far russia does supportbthem and attacks enemies of isis.
Russia attacks all Islamists, it doesn't make the distinction between good terrorists and bad terrorists (well apart from Hezbollah, who are on its side).
Most of the Islamists bordering the SAA are not ISIS; and since Russian aviation is directly involved in supporting the SAA's ground offensives, it has kept most of its front-line strikes on the non-ISIS Islamists/rebels.
However when it comes to bombing infrastructure and targets of opportunity deep in enemy territory, Russia has targeted ISIS as much as anyone else. All those convoys of trucks destroyed and oil containers - they are all ISIS assets. Russia has been hitting them hard.
and to those who dream about attacks against turkey or our government. They should know that russia is far more vulnerable than in turkey.
Vulnerable to what exactly?
In any case, I don't wish for war, or to support each other's terrorists - and it is completely unnecessary. Russia should give an adequate response for the killing of its pilot, without killing anyone else - that's all I want. If it means ruining relations with Turkey - well I think it's inevitable. Maybe, the next Turkish government will be wiser and will work to make amends to the family of the deceased.
the most laughable part is, that russia did not sanction the nuclear power deal or their planned pipeline. We think about ending those projects ourself and i support this.
Russia made it perfectly clear that it will stop all co-operation on these projects pretty soon after the incident, albeit I'm not sure if anything was formalized. It may be that Turkey will be the one to formally cancel them; so that Erdogan can save face in front of his people and business community by now claiming that it was his idea to shut down these projects. I dunno. Either way, the effect is the same.
Russia's Economic Development Minister stated that the Turkish Stream gas pipeline project falls under the restrictive measures against Turkey...
The restrictions against Ankara may also include the Akkuyu Nuclear Power Plant...
Considering the fact that large parts of the russian people live under extreme poverty it might be good to do a reality check and get used to that idea.
If so many Russian people live in poverty then where do all the Russian tourists to Turkey come from, and where do they get the money for it?
as well as international isolation, its pretty clear who is stupid and who not.
Assad has no support in the sunni world. Its that easy. No sunni will ever live under this idiot. The rebellion is openly escalating and there plain and simply is no way back.
syria as a nation is dead. Its time to accept this. Wonder how russians imagine all this will work. Do they think we all off a sudden lose our face and start dealing with Assad? I would like to know this idea they have about this.