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    T-90 tanks in Indian Army

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    Post  GarryB Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:12 am

    The point is that APS systems will reduce the danger from the most common weapons on the battlefield like RPGs that any soldier on the battlefield can sling over their shoulder and take shots at your vehicles from sides and rear and fire from distances too close for you to do anything else about.

    Obviously APS systems are not perfect and are not cheap... my understanding is that the MMW radar they emit to detect incoming rounds would allow a sophisticated enemy like HATO or Nazis HATO is currently supporting to use the MMW radar emissions to plot the real time locations of Russian armour and indeed use it to blind target those forces with artillery strikes.

    It is going to take time to get them to the point where they are useful but in some situations like in Syria you might find going into a built up area that it is worth switching something on that stops RPGs and TOWs... you could even set up decoy emitters to get the enemy to launch attacks where the intent is to draw their artillery into a trap...

    The new Russian T-90 upgrades seem to use upgraded Shtora but not APS... a laser warning system is valuable even if you just use it to try to spot enemy drones with modern EOs and perhaps decide if they have a missile on the way where popping smoke and moving might be a good idea.
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    Post  Isos Tue Oct 04, 2022 12:45 pm

    I was thinking the same and you were the one who said APS radars have a very short range. Something like 300m which equals to more or less 1km detection by ELINT systems.
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    Post  Sujoy Tue Oct 04, 2022 5:57 pm

    Isos wrote:Pretty useless. At the ranges drones attack receiving a alarm saying you've been shot at is useless. The missile will hit anyway.  
    Spyder and Akash SAMs that will accompany Indian tank columns will be able to locate drones like the Bayraktar TB2 at a range of 50 km.

    GarryB wrote:The point is that APS systems will reduce the danger from the most common weapons on the battlefield like RPGs that any soldier on the battlefield can sling over their shoulder and take shots at your vehicles from sides and rear and fire from distances too close for you to do anything else about.

    Obviously APS systems are not perfect and are not cheap... my understanding is that the MMW radar they emit to detect incoming rounds would allow a sophisticated enemy like HATO or Nazis HATO is currently supporting to use the MMW radar emissions to plot the real time locations of Russian armour and indeed use it to blind target those forces with artillery strikes.

    It is going to take time to get them to the point where they are useful but in some situations like in Syria you might find going into a built up area that it is worth switching something on that stops RPGs and TOWs... you could even set up decoy emitters to get the enemy to launch attacks where the intent is to draw their artillery into a trap...

    The new Russian T-90 upgrades seem to use upgraded Shtora but not APS... a laser warning system is valuable even if you just use it to try to spot enemy drones with modern EOs and perhaps decide if they have a missile on the way where popping smoke and moving might be a good idea.
    The LWS being developed by DRDO is required to detect threats at ranges up to six kilometres. It will have four sensors mounted on the vehicle’s turret at different places to provide a 360-degree coverage to detect threats from sources such as laser range finders, laser target designators and laser munition guiding beams.

    The control units and display screens will be mounted inside, adjacent to the commander’s console, and give out an audio and visual warning to the crew, classify the type of threat and enable them to take counter-measures such as firing smoke grenades to obscure the vehicle and move to a different location.




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    Post  GarryB Tue Oct 04, 2022 10:51 pm

    I was thinking the same and you were the one who said APS radars have a very short range. Something like 300m which equals to more or less 1km detection by ELINT systems.

    The Russians seem to think it is a problem needing to be solved...

    The LWS being developed by DRDO is required to detect threats at ranges up to six kilometres. It will have four sensors mounted on the vehicle’s turret at different places to provide a 360-degree coverage to detect threats from sources such as laser range finders, laser target designators and laser munition guiding beams.

    The control units and display screens will be mounted inside, adjacent to the commander’s console, and give out an audio and visual warning to the crew, classify the type of threat and enable them to take counter-measures such as firing smoke grenades to obscure the vehicle and move to a different location.

    It is a complex game... they could send a drone towards Indian armour with LIDAR.... essentially laser radar, that scans for targets... it could mark targets it finds with the intention to get them to pop smoke and therefore reveal their positions.

    After a few days of making you pop smoke every half hour you are going to get ordered to turn the damn things off to stop wasting smoke rounds... when the stop popping smoke... they start launching missiles.

    For Russian and Soviet laser homing weapons the target is normally lased for 1 second for direct fire weapons and for 3 seconds for indirect weapons so by the time the target is lased the weapon will be very close and popping smoke might not help very much.

    No tank can go from stationary to moving in 3 seconds... certainly not any distance that would mean anything.
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    Post  Sujoy Fri Nov 04, 2022 5:27 pm

    Two Indian Army T-90 MBT regiments to be equipped with 12.7mm remote controlled weapons system initially, remaining regiments to be equipped after that

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