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    Post  collegeboy16 Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:56 am

    borei looks so fine compared to delta 4?.
    Interestingly enough, the initial specs for ohio replacement now have 12-16 missiles.


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    Post  collegeboy16 Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:01 pm

    beautiful, tho we only get a glimpse of the aurora.
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    Post  TR1 Sat Mar 15, 2014 12:01 am

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    Post  RTN Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:14 pm

    The Borei Class submarine just like the Ohio-class Replacement Program boats will have to satisfy the design criteria laid out in the new START treaty .

    Under the provisions in New START, the United States & Russia cannot convert ballistic missile submarines to other uses without destroying their missile tubes and missile compartments; they will also have to reduce the number of accountable deployed SLBM launchers on ballistic missile submarines that continue to carry nuclear-armed SLBMs .

    The US & Russia will have to alter four launch tubes on each of the 14 SSBN to render them unusable, eliminating 56 delivery systems.

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    Post  collegeboy16 Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:05 am

    RTN wrote:The Borei Class submarine just like the Ohio-class Replacement Program boats will have to satisfy the design criteria laid out in the new START treaty .

    Under the provisions in New START, the United States & Russia cannot convert ballistic missile submarines to other uses without destroying their missile tubes and missile compartments; they will also have to reduce the number of  accountable deployed SLBM launchers on ballistic missile submarines that continue to carry nuclear-armed SLBMs .

    The US & Russia  will have to alter four launch tubes on each of the 14 SSBN  to render them unusable, eliminating 56 delivery systems.

    ... that gives the 2 SSBNs 16 launchers each. Considering the fact that Bulava is meant to be at least a generation ahead of Trident D5(afaik), the russkies must be satisfied with how things will turn out.
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    Post  navyfield Sun Apr 13, 2014 12:19 pm

    russia wanted borei 2 ,with 20 slbm-s , now both sides have decided their sub designs to have 16.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Apr 13, 2014 12:44 pm

    they will also have to reduce the number of accountable deployed SLBM launchers on ballistic missile submarines that continue to carry nuclear-armed SLBMs .

    That is why the Boreis have 12-16 tubes... with a max limit of 1,200-1,500 warheads in totaly that means 500 warheads for the navy... so 8 boats with 12-16 missiles each where each missile can carry 6 warheads means 576 to 768 warheads.

    Assuming 16 missile tubes each and downloading the missiles to 4 warheads with 8 Boreis planned that means 512 warheads.

    russia wanted borei 2 ,with 20 slbm-s , now both sides have decided their sub designs to have 16.

    Fanbois maybe... the Navy wanted 12-16 tubes.
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    Post  TR1 Thu May 29, 2014 2:02 am

    5th Boreii, Knyaz Oleg will be laid down on July 19th.
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    Post  George1 Thu Jun 05, 2014 2:21 am

    Russian nuclear submarine Vladimir Monomakh to go on sea trial on June 10 -11

    The crew of the missile carrier will check all warship systems, including navigation, radio-electronic systems and sailing features on sea trials

    MOSCOW, June 04. /ITAR-TASS/. Severodvinsk-based military shipyard Sevmash will put Project 955 Borei-class strategic nuclear submarine Vladimir Monomakh on sea trials in the White Sea on June 10-11, a source in defense industrial sector told ITAR-TASS on Wednesday.

    “A missile-carrying submarine cruiser will have to go on one more sea trial in July,” the source said.

    During these sea trials the crew of the missile carrier will check all warship systems, including navigation, radio-electronic systems and sailing features on sea trials.

    “In September Monomakh will make a first test-launch of a continental ballistic missile Bulava this year,” the source recalled.

    Alexander Nevsky strategic nuclear-powered submarine of Project 955 (archive)
    Nuclear-powered submarine Alexander Nevsky to arrive in Kamchatka before end of 2014
    In November Borei-class nuclear submarine Yuri Dolgoruky will test-fire another Bulava missile, earlier reports said.

    Project 955 head submarine Yuri Dolgoruky was brought into service of Russia’s Navy in 2012. First serial warship of this project Alexander Nevsky came into naval service in 2013. Fourth missile carrier Knyaz Vladimir is on the stocks of the military shipyard.

    The keel of fifth Borei-class submarine Knyaz Oleg will be laid down at Sevmash on July 19.

    Knyaz Oleg will be a first serial warship being created under modernised project 955A.

    Borei-class strategic missile-carrying nuclear submarines are designed at the St. Petersburg-based central maritime machinery design bureau. Their main weaponry is 16 new intercontinental ballistic missiles Bulava.
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    Post  George1 Tue Jul 01, 2014 9:03 pm

    New Russian nuclear submarine to use only domestically made components

    Russia's new nuclear submarine Knyaz Vladimir, being built by the Sevmash shipyard in Severodvinsk, will use only domestically made components, the company's press service said on Monday, June 30. "All components, systems and units intended for the submarine have been made by Russian enterprises. This is one of the things that make this craft special," the press service said. "There no components in the submarine that were manufactured in the near or far abroad; only domestically made ones. A large number of them are made by Sevmash itself," Sergei Kotsov, who is responsible for the delivery of the submarine, said.

    The Knyaz Vladimir was laid down on July 30, 2012 under Project 955A. The leading vessel of the same class, Yuri Dolgoruky, and the first serial submarine, Alexander Nevsky, were handed over to the Navy in 2013. The submarine Vladimir Monomakh, the third Borei-class ship and the second serial one, is undergoing sea trials and expected to join the Navy this year.

    The fifth one, Knyaz Oleg, will be laid down on July 19. It will become the first serial upgraded version of Project 955A submarines. They will have smaller hulls and cons, better acoustic characteristics and lower noisiness. The Defence Ministry plans to build at least eight new Borei-class submarines three Project 955 craft and five Project 955A ones - by 2020, which will become the main naval component of Russia's strategic nuclear forces.

    Borei-class submarines are designed by the St. Petersburg-based Naval Design Bureau Rubin. Each submarine can be armed with 12 ICBMs with MIRVs. They will also have an escape capsule for all crewmembers. A Borei-class submarine is 170 metres long and 13.5 metres wide, it can sink to a depth of 450 metres and has a crew of 17 sailors.

    The Borei claims to be a state-of-the-art submarine, featuring characteristics superior to any submarine currently in service, such as the ability to cruise silently and be less detectable to sonar. Advances include a compact and integrated hydrodynamically efficient hull for reduced broadband noise and the first ever use of pump-jet propulsion on a Russian nuclear submarine.

    The submarine will be armed with Bulava missiles. The Bulava carries the NATO reporting name SS-NX-30 and has been assigned the GRAU index 3M30. In international treaties, the common designation RSM-56 is used. The Project 955 submarine is the first serial strategic rocket carrier of the Borei class. It is 170 metres long, 13.5 metres wide, maximum operating depth is 450 metres, and underwater speed is 29 knots.

    Borei class submarines are designed to serve as the basis of Russia's strategic nuclear capabilities for the decades to come. Sevmash, Russia’s largest shipyard, is now building two sets of new-generation nuclear submarines - attack craft (Yasen class, Project 855) and strategic craft (Borei class, Project 955) - for the Russian Navy, reports Itar-Tass.

    Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_30/New-Russian-nuclear-submarine-to-use-only-domestically-made-components-0544/
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    Post  Mike E Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:44 pm

    Sounds like they are producing them pretty quickly, hopefully they can keep that up.
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    Post  TR1 Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:55 pm

    That depends on your definition of fast Wink .

    6 years to launch is nothing to write home about.
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    Post  Mike E Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:45 pm

    True, but I meant the Russian sub industry in general. They are building Kilos, Yasen class, Borei, all while modernizing their older models. Even the US can't keep up, they are only building the Virginia.
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    Post  TR1 Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:58 pm

    They build Virginia subs faster than anything Russia is doing right now.

    US has the most potent nuclear submarine building capability in the world by a long shot right now. Russia is in line with the other builders, US is the one outlier.
    They don't make diseal boats, but they make larger nuclear submarines faster!

    Russia might very well be building more boats in total at one time, but that doesn't mean much when it takes longer to get them out to water.

    Not all the older boats are being modernized right now, many of the "modernizations" are basically major repairs that were put off because they did not get their original repairs back in the 90s and 2000s.
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    Post  Mike E Wed Jul 02, 2014 4:54 am

    That is not what I'm saying.

    The U.S. is currently building 5 Virginia's, that is it! While they could build many more, they chose not too.

    They haven't built Ohios for years, same with the Seawolf, and the L.A. is getting old.

    While RU is building multiple Yasens, Boreis, and Kilos. The lack of Diesel subs in the US Navy's arsenal is their biggest weak-point (in my opinion). I will agree that they build they quicker, but I simply meant how many at one time.

    I never once said that all were getting "modernized".

    I will admit that they are basically repairs, but they still take up precious time that could be spent building even more Boreis, Yasens etc.

    Also, the future of Virginia class acquisitions is completely uncertain. With the US saying they want x, than change it to a lesser x.
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    Post  TR1 Wed Jul 02, 2014 5:26 am

    Yes but once the Virginias are finished, they lay more down, and build more. Through 2020, who will build more nuclear boats in total, US or Russia? US, by a sizable margin.
    I think that is far more relevant than what is being built at one time- if anything it just shows how slowly Russian shipbuilding takes place. Though humorously enough in Russia sometimes huge nuclear boats are built faster than corvettes.
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    Post  TheArmenian Wed Jul 02, 2014 6:37 am

    Virginia completion rates were 1 per year thus far. Only recently they have upped it to 1-2 year. Nothing impressing. Russia is completing more subs per year (if you include the diesel boats).
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Jul 02, 2014 6:39 am

    TR1 wrote:Yes but once the Virginias are finished, they lay more down, and build more. Through 2020, who will build more nuclear boats in total, US or Russia? US, by a sizable margin.
    I think that is far more relevant than what is being built at one time- if anything it just shows how slowly Russian shipbuilding takes place. Though humorously enough in Russia sometimes huge nuclear boats are built faster than corvettes.

    Assuming the U.S.economy allows it, but what if they can't pass a budget and the U.S. defaults on it's debt? It nearly happened at least 2 times in recent memory, and congress still hasn't made any real progress. The U.S. Dollar was being traded at 55% of all currencies being traded in the year 2000, to now being only traded at 33%...now if the U.S. defaults that means the U.S. Dollar will probably be traded less then 20% with panic runs to escape and dump the Dollar, such a scenario is quite possible and if it does happen then a lot U.S. subs will end up getting scrapped.
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    Post  TR1 Wed Jul 02, 2014 7:08 am

    TheArmenian wrote:Virginia completion rates were 1 per year thus far. Only recently they have upped it to 1-2 year. Nothing impressing. Russia is completing more subs per year (if you include the diesel boats).

    Nothing impressive??!

    That size of a nuclear sub, from laying down to commission within 2 years in some cases.

    That is faster than any other nuclear boat builder, BY FAR.

    The day we get nuclear boats at half that speed is the day I will make a toast to the shipyards.

    Compare who has gotten more boats in the past 15 years. Not the RuNavy. Who has gotten more boats in the past 10 years. Not the RuNavy.
    Who will get more boats from 2010-2020? It will be closer, RuNavy might have more total, but only including smaller diesel subs. Not seeing what is so terrible impressive about that.
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    Post  Austin Wed Jul 02, 2014 7:42 am

    Yes Yasen production has been going at snails pace and it took them donkeys year to perfect the first one.

    Now the second one is quickly moved to 885M model and hopefully it does not take them donkeys years to perfect it before they move to serial production , or they will have to go for 885A then  Smile 

    On the other hand Kilo production is resonably OK and Borei is picking with serial production.
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    Post  Mike E Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:07 am

    I don't you understand me.

    All I've been saying is that AT THE MOMENT Russia has MORE SUBS being built. Never once did I say the US is slow, or unable to build them, quite the opposite really.

    They can continue it build, but they sure can't afford them! Neither can Russia to be honest...

    Who said anything about nuclear? Nucular subs are great, but so are Diesel subs. Once again, I'll say that the lack of diesel subs is the largest hole in the US Navy's fleet.

    As for how will have more, based off this info RU will! Unless the US starts buying them like they do Twinkies, they are falling behind. (I assume by boats you mean subs, right?)

    I get that by nuclear you mean larger, but they are also larger targets.


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    Post  TheArmenian Wed Jul 02, 2014 11:21 am

    TR1 wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:Virginia completion rates were 1 per year thus far. Only recently they have upped it to 1-2 year. Nothing impressing. Russia is completing more subs per year (if you include the diesel boats).

    Nothing impressive??!

    That size of a nuclear sub, from laying down to commission within 2 years in some cases.

    That is faster than any other nuclear boat builder, BY FAR.

    The day we get nuclear boats at half that speed is the day I will make a toast to the shipyards.

    Compare who has gotten more boats in the past 15 years. Not the RuNavy. Who has gotten more boats in the past 10 years. Not the RuNavy.
    Who will get more boats from 2010-2020? It will be closer, RuNavy might have more total, but only including smaller diesel subs. Not seeing what is so terrible impressive about that.
    That is not what I meant.

    I am not talking about how fast it takes a boat from being laid down to completion. I know the Russians are slow in that, but things are improving. Check how much time the latest Kilos are taking.
    The point I was making was about the number of US boats v/s Russian boats being completed per year. Currently, the Russians are completing more per year (mostly thanks to Kilos for domestic and export).
    US is completing 1 or 2 Virginias per year.
    Russia is completing 1 nuke sub and 2 diesel subs per year.

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