Syrian Civil War: News #4

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

par far wrote:

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These items and the one Regular posted on the other thread seem to be fakes.

Be careful especially with the South Front; they were those who also initiated the fake about interference with the Russian shipping through Bosphorus.

You can check yourself: these are old stories; they are worded in an obviously fake language; and they haven't received any traction even in the other outlets after a significant passage of time. I had followed the propagation of all of these stories, or the lack thereof, from their inception long before them being posted on the RMF. One of these stories even had its date changed by up to 5 days when it was copy-and-pasted by a copycat outlet.

It's sad that RMF has been recently responsible for these fakes and a few others getting some traction. I am not saying the users responsible are doing this intentionally or not.


Edit: par far, see what you have done: these items are being discussed here now as though the are not fakes.

Cyberspec wrote:Reportedly Syrian BUK's being moved to Aleppo area

AlfaT8 wrote:

Cyberspec wrote:Reportedly Syrian BUK's being moved to Aleppo area

Good hunting.

Humanitarian Relief ‏@IHHen  Nov 29
A bread bakery, established by IHH in Syria's Idlib, has been hit by Russian airstrikes.
https://twitter.com/IHHen/status/671024602190094336

Akula971 wrote:Guys, UK conducted airstrikes in Syria, Israel blew up a building in Damascus (belonging to SAA)

http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/israeli-airstrikes-over-damascus-confirmed/

Turkey is either moving in or pulling out of Iraq (i dont know)

French aircraft carrier ran away after dropping 4 bombs and Germany wants to enter Syria.

None of them want to cooperate with Russia over this issue.

Please answer this question :

Have the Russians deployed their S300s and S400s in the region at all ?? How are they letting NATO jets come and strike in Syria withouth permission ?? Whatever is going on right now ??

Akula971 wrote:Guys, UK conducted airstrikes in Syria, Israel blew up a building in Damascus (belonging to SAA)

http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/israeli-airstrikes-over-damascus-confirmed/

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

Akula971 wrote:Guys, UK conducted airstrikes in Syria, Israel blew up a building in Damascus (belonging to SAA)

http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/israeli-airstrikes-over-damascus-confirmed/

That's a fake story; please don't repeat it.

Akula971 wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

Akula971 wrote:Guys, UK conducted airstrikes in Syria, Israel blew up a building in Damascus (belonging to SAA)

http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/israeli-airstrikes-over-damascus-confirmed/

That's a fake story; please don't repeat it.

Thank you for clarifying. It looked fake but what about the German and UK intervention ?? UK did do a sortie.

Militarov wrote:What is your point. They should attack French, UK and US bombers? Dont be silly.

Militarov wrote:

Akula971 wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

Akula971 wrote:Guys, UK conducted airstrikes in Syria, Israel blew up a building in Damascus (belonging to SAA)

http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/israeli-airstrikes-over-damascus-confirmed/

That's a fake story; please don't repeat it.

Thank you for clarifying. It looked fake but what about the German and UK intervention ?? UK did do a sortie.

So did France and US in last 72h. What is your point. They should attack French, UK and US bombers? Dont be silly.

Akula971 wrote:

Militarov wrote:

Akula971 wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

Akula971 wrote:Guys, UK conducted airstrikes in Syria, Israel blew up a building in Damascus (belonging to SAA)

http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/israeli-airstrikes-over-damascus-confirmed/

That's a fake story; please don't repeat it.

Thank you for clarifying. It looked fake but what about the German and UK intervention ?? UK did do a sortie.

So did France and US in last 72h. What is your point. They should attack French, UK and US bombers? Dont be silly.

I dont want Russia to shoot down their bombers. That is not what I am getting at. My point is - Russia imposed a De-Facto no fly zone over Syria. NATO intervention in Syria is illegal, Syrian government never asked NATO to intervene - its not 1999 anymore.

Now with NATO sending ground troops - the region is going to get unnecessarily hot. And no, I dont want the balkanization of Syria either. What about Russian force projection ??

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Well, all of this talk about about England's or France's incursions into the Syrian airspace aren't necessarily true. ...

Akula971 wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Well, all of this talk about about England's or France's incursions into the Syrian airspace aren't necessarily true. ...

Would you be so kind to tell me the real scenario then, all my sources are quoting each other and its a proper mess. If one bogus report is posted, even trusted sources started spewing them all over. For example, the Israeli incursion news came from a good Russian source lol.

I mean Twitter is always 98% BS but now those guys are going over too. Its confusing to say the least. Can you please tell me what is NATO doing, if anything at all, in Syria. Thanks !  

Akula971 wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Well, all of this talk about about England's or France's incursions into the Syrian airspace aren't necessarily true. ...

Would you be so kind to tell me the real scenario then, all my sources are quoting each other and its a proper mess. If one bogus report is posted, even trusted sources started spewing them all over. For example, the Israeli incursion news came from a good Russian source lol.

I mean Twitter is always 98% BS but now those guys are going over too. Its confusing to say the least. Can you please tell me what is NATO doing, if anything at all, in Syria. Thanks !  

Vann7 wrote: So far what is happening now ..is a testing game.. NATO is testing how far they can push in Syria
without engaging into a direct war with Russia.. So no worries Neither France or UK or US will attack Russia.. the one to watch however is Turkey.. it could be used as the mad dog ,said in another way. you should be worried if NATO do not show up a day in Syria airspace. that will mean they expecting something really bad to happen.

But so far no nato player is bombing Syrian government troops.. If that happens Russia will give an ultimatum that if ever happens again will start shooting down their planes. All this means that pretty much NATO is fucked in Syria it cannot impose a no fly zone there and remove Russia without starting world war 3 or without having to deal with S-400 missiles and others.

There is one S-400 in latakia.. there is an S-300 in Moscow warship coast near Turkey border and Syria have Many decent air defenses like Buks and Pantsirs that can defend its capital etc.

So Syrian air defenses are ok ,specially in nothern Syria. And it will only get better once they liberate Aleppo /Hama and homs. becuase will allow Russia to get a more deep and complex
air defense network.


What you need to remember is that the engagement rules for Syria is to try to avoid as much as possible any confrontation with NATO and Israel.. even if they sneak and bomb at times.. But if
a major war start Syria do have S-200s that can reach 300km range and start shuting down
nato planes or Israel. If a major war start Syria will NOT allow Israel or any NATO plane to get close to its airspace ,but now since they are busy fighting terrorist.. they avoid any confrontation with foreign powers.. and will only strike back if is the only way to save lives or if
any plane try to bomb the government Buildings.. something that have not happened in 5 years of conflict.  

What is important to remember is that you need a lot more than one month of Airstrikes to
defeat an army that is spread in all Syria.  Russia for example have been bombing Syria for 1 month? and have not done enough damage to defeat ISIS.. only at best to hold their attacks and damage its supplies.So if Israel and Turkey start a full scale war ,lets say with 20-30 planes and invade Syria..all of them will be attacked or shotdown.  

Akula971 wrote:........

I dont want Russia to shoot down their bombers. That is not what I am getting at. My point is - Russia imposed a De-Facto no fly zone over Syria. NATO intervention in Syria is illegal, Syrian government never asked NATO to intervene - its not 1999 anymore.

Now with NATO sending ground troops - the region is going to get unnecessarily hot. And no, I dont want the balkanization of Syria either. What about Russian force projection ??

PapaDragon wrote:
Couple of observations:

1) Russia does not mind Turkey entering Syria, Russia WANTS Turkey to enter Syria because as of last weekend it's Turkey hunting season for VKS.

2) The moment Iraq files request, Turks in Iraq get fried by VKS. Decision is up to Baghdad. But this is just cherry on top, secondary event...

3) NATO can take over entire Kurd/Eastern Syria if they want to, it is just a empty wasteland. NATO wants coastline/West Syria because that is prime strategic real estate. But since Russia already called dibs on that part, NATO is sh*t out of luck.

4) More Russian aircraft are to arrive and start ''working'' the ''rebels'' soon along with Iranians and Syrians will be getting fresh toys.

5) Turks are now officially village idiots of NATO and middle east...

So please, tone down the panic.

http://vz.ru/news/2015/12/5/782120.html

"If Russia and Iran will stand by the unit and will allow Assad simply to doom the process to failure, we will know who is a problem. In this case, we will have fewer options for action, and we have to make some tough measures," he said at a U.S.-Israeli conference in Washington.
Kerry stressed that the U.S. "cannot afford" such a development. In his words, "threaten the security of the United States and all countries in Europe", reports RIA "Novosti".
"Europe is not only a threat in terms of what happened in Paris or anywhere else. It is a threat, because this migration (from the Middle East) can change European politics once and for all" – quoted Kerry TASS.

Kerry said that some militants are joining the ranks of the "Islamic state" due to the fact that the government is Assad.

According to him, "if Assad will remain, those who continue to fight with him, will draw more jihadists, more of is militants," they "are better armed" and they will have more opportunities to depose him.

http://vz.ru/news/2015/12/6/782154.html

"The statement of the Prime Minister of great Britain David Cameron about the presence of 70 thousand moderate rebels in Syria - new series of the Comedy series, which shows false information is the truth ... Russia has asked for Western countries to provide information about the location of these militants and their commanders, but have not responded," - reports the words of al-Assad