They have grom-2 and grom-1 also in use, probably with better caracteristics for more important targets.
But for most of the situation a dumb bomb with a module will do the work, specially if the main targets are trenches.
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Not everything has to be prepared on a silver platter well beforehand.lancelot wrote:
The central command just blissfully ignored these in favor of systems like Gefest which made regular dumb bombs more precise. But the thing is Gefest requires you to fly directly over the target. These systems turn dumb bombs into a standoff weapon. Which is what you need against someone who has proper air defenses.
And don't tell me they weren't preparing for a possible conflict with Ukraine. The Russian MoD has been conducting a huge military ramp up since at least 2014. Loads and loads of combat units were raised from nothing and drilled and put into service. I am sure the government still hoped for things to be settled peacefully but they were preparing in case they did not.
What this tells me is that the speed of innovations in Russia is so fast they exceed the capacity of the bureaucracy to react to their needs. Is this even bad lol?diabetus wrote:Garry they aren't buying tools online, and the MOD isn't providing them, telegram accounts like Fighterbomber were begging their audiences for donations in order to purchase DeWalt and Makita drills and impact drivers for the ground crews.
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lancelot wrote:The Grom is a good weapon system. But it doesn't scale up. I think it has a 250 kg warhead and that's it.
Production is also still very limited.
lyle6 wrote:What this tells me is that the speed of innovations in Russia is so fast they exceed the capacity of the bureaucracy to react to their needs. Is this even bad lol?
Tell me something I don't already know. You're acting like supply chain hitches are a new thing when you never failed to complain about them each and every time only to shut up when the Russian bureaucracies fix the issue in like a week.diabetus wrote:
Do I need to explain why the lack of basic power tools is a bad thing?
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Tell me something I don't already know. You're acting like supply chain hitches are a new thing when you never failed to complain about them each and every time only to shut up when the Russian bureaucracies fix the issue in like a week.
There are a multitude of guidance and range extension options for it. Unlike the UMPK it can be powered.diabetus wrote:How is it any better than a UPMK equipped FAB?
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I have never heard of a major war that did not require the military to solicit support from the civilian population - is that even supposed to be embarrassing? Because you know what is really embarrassing? Pillaging your own civilian economy to fund trillion dollar wars that went nowhere. In contrast the Russian economy is fucking booming, with surplus all around to spend. The Russian people are living their best lives under sanctions that their chump change literally funds the most cost efficient weapons to destroy all that you have built for trillions of dollars. How's that for a burn?diabetus wrote:
When you say fix you mean have telegram accounts ask for charity from their subscribers right? It's also not really a speedy innovation, as having some kind of similar kit before the war started would have saved the VKS for sustaining lots of losses, especially early on.
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lyle6 wrote:
I have never heard of a major war that did not require the military to solicit support from the civilian population - is that even supposed to be embarrassing? Because you know what is really embarrassing? Pillaging your own civilian economy to fund trillion dollar wars that went nowhere. In contrast the Russian economy is fucking booming, with surplus all around to spend. The Russian people are living their best lives under sanctions that their chump change literally funds the most cost efficient weapons to destroy all that you have built for trillions of dollars. How's that for a burn?
There were proposals by the Russian MIC (NPO Basalt) to add glide kits to existing dumb bombs like a decade ago.
The central command just blissfully ignored these in favor of systems like Gefest which made regular dumb bombs more precise. But the thing is Gefest requires you to fly directly over the target. These systems turn dumb bombs into a standoff weapon. Which is what you need against someone who has proper air defenses.
And don't tell me they weren't preparing for a possible conflict with Ukraine.
The Russian MoD has been conducting a huge military ramp up since at least 2014. Loads and loads of combat units were raised from nothing and drilled and put into service. I am sure the government still hoped for things to be settled peacefully but they were preparing in case they did not.
Design of a streamlined and modular bomb had a not negligible cost for Americans as the design and production of Paveway first, Jdams in a second time and gliding kits successively but the presence of a common body was indeed a very good thing for them.
Since mass production of aviation bombs is underway, not as many as some think.
That kit would have been useless as it didn't have satnav guidance, just stabilization so a long range unguided bomb.
As you can see, it's not difficult or expensive as the US had bombs that were simple to modify in WW2...
The Grom is a good weapon system. But it doesn't scale up. I think it has a 250 kg warhead and that's it.
How is it any better than a UPMK equipped FAB?
Do I need to explain why the lack of basic power tools is a bad thing?
When you say fix you mean have telegram accounts ask for charity from their subscribers right? It's also not really a speedy innovation, as having some kind of similar kit before the war started would have saved the VKS for sustaining lots of losses, especially early on.
Pillaging your own civilian economy to fund trillion dollar wars that went nowhere. In contrast the Russian economy is fucking booming, with surplus all around to spend.
It's a stupid attempt at a burn, the bigger burn is Russian aircraft ground crews lacking basic power tools. It wasn't the military soliciting support, it was people on telegram begging for money.
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Even better. They turn simple FAB-250 bombs into "missiles" for the Tornado-S.They have now started making 300mm glide bombs
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I read that the Russian have modified the KH-101 to have a second warhead, and reduced the range as they don't need the full range for this war. Does anyone know if its just extra explosive or can the second warhead be independantly targeted?
Tornado rockets already have a warhead. What's the point of pitting a fab-250 on it ?
Old bombs. That´s the point. F...ing cheap compared to the standard rocket/missile of the Smerch/Tornado-S.I think these are new bombs
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It's a bit of a joke how the Russians managed to make their own analogue of the GLSDB on the HIMARS before it even went into service with Ukraine properly. The current US MIC is really bad at improvising in the middle of a conflict.Hole wrote:Old bombs. That´s the point. F...ing cheap compared to the standard rocket/missile of the Smerch/Tornado-S.
While the people who developed the UMPK deserve kudos for developing it and putting into production and mass use in the middle of conflict this shouldn't have been necessary.
Like I said the situation with the air defenses in Ukraine was perfectly predictable.
The General Staff should have taken this into consideration and put something like the UMPK into service before the conflict started not afterwards.
Another issue is the lack of long reach weapon systems on the attack helicopters and Su-25s which mean they need to attack within range of MANPADS when that wouldn't be necessary.
It's a bit of a joke how the Russians managed to make their own analogue of the GLSDB on the HIMARS before it even went into service with Ukraine properly. The current US MIC is really bad at improvising in the middle of a conflict.
I don't think they are better than a dedicated rocket design would be though.
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It's not really a win, it's just that you guys can't stand any criticism of anything Russia does, when they've made many mistakes in this war, and continue to do so.
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